AVTAK vs DAD

Blackleiter

AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

I wouldn't really say that Moore looked bored in AVTAK, just rather old )

Yep! )

Thunderpussy

) I thought there'd be a bit of solidarity between men of a certain age

DevilMayCare007

Blackleiter wrote:

AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

I wouldn't really say that Moore looked bored in AVTAK, just rather old )

Yep! )

Too old )

Blackleiter

Thunderpussy wrote:

) I thought there'd be a bit of solidarity between men of a certain age

Not in this case! Blackleiter can afford to look old and tired, but Bond cannot! )

Thunderpussy

) ) )

Jarvio

Blackleiter wrote:

Thunderpussy wrote:

) I thought there'd be a bit of solidarity between men of a certain age

Not in this case! Blackleiter can afford to look old and tired, but Bond cannot! )

The ultimate question - If Connery had starred in AVTAK, where would you rank it?

Thunderpussy

) {[] Great question.

Blackleiter

Jarvio wrote:

Blackleiter wrote:

Thunderpussy wrote:

) I thought there'd be a bit of solidarity between men of a certain age

Not in this case! Blackleiter can afford to look old and tired, but Bond cannot! )

The ultimate question - If Connery had starred in AVTAK, where would you rank it?

Higher without a doubt. I don't see how he could have brought less energy to the role than Moore. But with the same script, the same screaming Tanya Roberts, the same boring first half, the same silly firetruck chase, I still don't think it would rank very high overall.

AlphaOmegaSin

Watching Connery with a Toupee hanging onto a Fire Truck would have been interesting )

Thunderpussy

A view to a Kilt !

Blackleiter

AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

Watching Connery with a Toupee hanging onto a Fire Truck would have been interesting )

Far more interesting than tired Ole Rog! )

Predator

I have so little respect for DAD that I can't be bothered writing a new critique of it. So here's my diatribe from 7th September 2007

Predator wrote:

I must say that I hated DAD when it was released ... simply hated it. There's a thread hanging around somewhere with my post-film autopsy. And it was an autopsy.

I had a chance to watch it again a couple of weeks back (I have the DVD ... the Bond completist that I am) on TV and I have to say that it is - if possible - even worse than I remember it.

From Bond's buddhist heart stop/restart, to the holodeck to the invisible car, it is simply woeful. In fact in retrospect, the poor CGI just looked dated and fake rather than the abomination it was to many on release (see what I did there? Damning with very faint praise).

In truth, the part of the film that will truly stick in my memory in addition to the above is the diabolical acting from the entire cast.

Perhaps this is systematic of director who clearly didn't like actors (no, he liked jump cuts and fire and ice) and scriptwriters who don't like stories.

Nevertheless, one would almost expect AT&T to be a corporate sponsor of the film, the number of performances that were phoned in.

Apologies to the Pierce fans, but this was his worst performance of his four Bonds. He looked badly prepared, lazy and unfit.

Berry was simply shocking in a simply shocking role, while Stevens was barely two-dimensional. Old Pikey survives only because her character was so lifeless that it's impossible to tell whether she was acting or not.

Oh dear, my blood pressure is up.

DAD is a Bond film in name, but not in spirit or execution. It was a story of too little talent spread too thin.

Jarvio

Predator wrote:

I have so little respect for DAD that I can't be bothered writing a new critique of it. So here's my diatribe from 7th September 2007

Predator wrote:

I must say that I hated DAD when it was released ... simply hated it. There's a thread hanging around somewhere with my post-film autopsy. And it was an autopsy.

I had a chance to watch it again a couple of weeks back (I have the DVD ... the Bond completist that I am) on TV and I have to say that it is - if possible - even worse than I remember it.

From Bond's buddhist heart stop/restart, to the holodeck to the invisible car, it is simply woeful. In fact in retrospect, the poor CGI just looked dated and fake rather than the abomination it was to many on release (see what I did there? Damning with very faint praise).

In truth, the part of the film that will truly stick in my memory in addition to the above is the diabolical acting from the entire cast.

Perhaps this is systematic of director who clearly didn't like actors (no, he liked jump cuts and fire and ice) and scriptwriters who don't like stories.

Nevertheless, one would almost expect AT&T to be a corporate sponsor of the film, the number of performances that were phoned in.

Apologies to the Pierce fans, but this was his worst performance of his four Bonds. He looked badly prepared, lazy and unfit.

Berry was simply shocking in a simply shocking role, while Stevens was barely two-dimensional. Old Pikey survives only because her character was so lifeless that it's impossible to tell whether she was acting or not.

Oh dear, my blood pressure is up.

DAD is a Bond film in name, but not in spirit or execution. It was a story of too little talent spread too thin.

I take it that's a vote for AVTAK then

Firemass

Jarvio wrote:

I take it that's a vote for AVTAK then

I reached the same conclusion. )

Predator

Firemass wrote:

Jarvio wrote:

I take it that's a vote for AVTAK then

I reached the same conclusion. )

I actually rather like AVTAK ... yes, it's Moore's weakest/oldest Bond, some of the acting is poor, the fight scenes are laughable and the misplaced comedy is ... challenged, but it has a decent storyline, great locations and represents (in my opinion) the last of the classic extravagant Bond films. Walken is fantastic too.

(It's one of the Bond films I'm closest to having visited all the locations too)

Firemass

Predator wrote:

It's Moore's weakest Bond

There's no doubt in my mind that AVTAK is a stronger film than LALD, TMWTGG, and FYEO. Then again, I have a low tolerance for comic-relief characters like J.W. and Bibi taking up valuable screen time.

AlphaOmegaSin

AVTAK is one of Moores strongest Bonds in my Opinion. Despite his Age at that Point )

Thunderpussy

True, a part from Moore's age. It's a good solid story. -{

jeffch

I like AVTAK, Im not sure how it got categorized as one of the worst Bonds. I'll take it over OP, MR or TMWAGG

chrisisall

jeffch wrote:

I like AVTAK, Im not sure how it got categorized as one of the worst Bonds. I'll take it over OP, MR or TMWAGG

Over OP??

MilleniumForce

I like AVTAK, But DAD is still enjoyable because of how bad it is. I'll go for AVTAK.

Absolutely_Cart

DAD is more ridiculous but also more entertaining. It works at sci-fi. And at the very least, it's different.

AVTAK is just a watered down version of Goldfinger with Christopher Walken.

chrisisall

Agreed.