An ohmss remake may indeed be impossible but a reimagining of the bond falls in love, killed by Blofeld is entirely possible. Just right for DC's style of Bond but...
An ohmss remake may indeed be impossible but a reimagining of the bond falls in love, killed by Blofeld is entirely possible. Just right for DC's style of Bond but...
Too soon after Vesper and too much like OHMSS
And too soon after Inception, which has the ultimate attack on Piz Gloria.
I'm picking up a feeling that some don't think the Bond crew can
Come up with something new or inventive. While I think they have
The best crew on any movie, so I for one expect a top notch, exciting
and entertaining movie.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
An ohmss remake may indeed be impossible but a reimagining of the bond falls in love, killed by Blofeld is entirely possible. Just right for DC's style of Bond but...
Too soon after Vesper and too much like OHMSS
Vesper is really the new Tracy though -{
1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
An ohmss remake may indeed be impossible but a reimagining of the bond falls in love, killed by Blofeld is entirely possible. Just right for DC's style of Bond but...
Too soon after Vesper and too much like OHMSS
Can you picture Bond marrying any of the women in the cast? Monica Belluci is too old, and is probably SPECTRE agent anyway. Lea Seydoux looks more like a typical Bond girl and doesn't strike me as the type Bond would marry. Someone under 30 for Daniel Craig to marry doesn't really seem likely anyway.
An ohmss remake may indeed be impossible but a reimagining of the bond falls in love, killed by Blofeld is entirely possible. Just right for DC's style of Bond but...
Too soon after Vesper and too much like OHMSS
Too soon after Vesper? CR (movie) came out in 2006. Spectre comes out in 2015. Nine-year gap.
CR (novel) came out in 1953. OHMSS (novel) came out in 1963. Ten-year gap.
Seems about time Bond stopped moping around after Vesper.
An ohmss remake may indeed be impossible but a reimagining of the bond falls in love, killed by Blofeld is entirely possible. Just right for DC's style of Bond but...
Too soon after Vesper and too much like OHMSS
Too soon after Vesper? CR (movie) came out in 2006. Spectre comes out in 2015. Nine-year gap.
CR (novel) came out in 1953. OHMSS (novel) came out in 1963. Ten-year gap.
Seems about time Bond stopped moping around after Vesper.
Fair comments about the similar lengths of time....
But Fleming-Bond didn't mope about Vesper at all (there is no mention of her at anytime in that 10 year period bar the start of OHMSS) whereas Craig-Bond has shown all the emotional maturity of a teen getting dumped for the first time.
And without the moping, Fleming-Bond got through far more work - and therefore life sxperiences - than the infrequently seen Craig-Bond.
An ohmss remake may indeed be impossible but a reimagining of the bond falls in love, killed by Blofeld is entirely possible. Just right for DC's style of Bond but...
Too soon after Vesper and too much like OHMSS
Too soon after Vesper? CR (movie) came out in 2006. Spectre comes out in 2015. Nine-year gap.
CR (novel) came out in 1953. OHMSS (novel) came out in 1963. Ten-year gap.
Seems about time Bond stopped moping around after Vesper.
But three films later vs. ten books later makes a really big difference. But I agree that Bond stopped moping around after Vesper, especially since Daniel Craig showed so little emotion in Casino Royale that I hardly believe Bond was in love with Vesper. I actually believed it much more with George Lazenby's performance.
Lea Seydoux looks more like a typical Bond girl and doesn't strike me as the type Bond would marry. Someone under 30 for Daniel Craig to marry doesn't really seem likely anyway.
I have just re-read OHMSS. If I were to cast an actress to play the Tracy Ian Fleming describes in the book, I would cast someone pretty close to Lea Seydoux. Under 30, blonde, enigmatic...
That doesn't mean Swann is Tracy, but it wouldn't be far fetched casting Seydoux as Tracy.
An ohmss remake may indeed be impossible but a reimagining of the bond falls in love, killed by Blofeld is entirely possible. Just right for DC's style of Bond but...
Too soon after Vesper and too much like OHMSS
Vesper is really the new Tracy though -{
That's the same as saying Le Chiffre is the new Blofeld. Not the case.
I agree with AOS, in the old films the death of Tracy was used as the
Big sorrow in Bonds life. In the new films the death of Vesper is the
Big sorrow in Bonds life.
Why he should get so upset over a bird, I'll never know. )
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
But Fleming-Bond didn't mope about Vesper at all (there is no mention of her at anytime in that 10 year period bar the start of OHMSS) whereas Craig-Bond has shown all the emotional maturity of a teen getting dumped for the first time.
And without the moping, Fleming-Bond got through far more work - and therefore life sxperiences - than the infrequently seen Craig-Bond.
Too soon, therefore, IMO
Craig's Bond is Fleming's Bond, so they moped about Vesper just the same: when they said "the job is done and the bitch is dead", they gave up looking for love in order to focus on being 007.
However, Fleming doesn't have a novel "10 minutes after CR", as the movie QoS is, but it's feasible that he would be looking for revenge. Not teen-love, but revenge. Since the end of QoS and SF it's implied that Bond has gone through several missions.
I'm picking up a feeling that some don't think the Bond crew can
Come up with something new or inventive. While I think they have
The best crew on any movie, so I for one expect a top notch, exciting
and entertaining movie.
On the contrary, they should come up with something new and inventive. As you say they are the best crew. -{
I agree with AOS, in the old films the death of Tracy was used as the
Big sorrow in Bonds life. In the new films the death of Vesper is the
Big sorrow in Bonds life.
Why he should get so upset over a bird, I'll never know. )
TSWLM Reference is my favorite -{
1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
I agree with AOS, in the old films the death of Tracy was used as the
Big sorrow in Bonds life. In the new films the death of Vesper is the
Big sorrow in Bonds life.
Why he should get so upset over a bird, I'll never know. )
In the old films DN FRWL GF TB and OHMSS, Vesper was the Big Sorrow, they just hadn't filmed CR. From OHMSS onwards, Tracy was.
In the new films Vesper is the the Big Sorrow, because he hasn't met Tracy yet.
In the old films DN FRWL GF TB and OHMSS, Vesper was the Big Sorrow, they just hadn't filmed CR.
When is there any sign of this? By this logic, Bond would have gotten married and lost his wife in between TB and YOLT, so he was upset over Tracy's death during YOLT.
In the old films DN FRWL GF TB and OHMSS, Vesper was the Big Sorrow, they just hadn't filmed CR.
When is there any sign of this? By this logic, Bond would have gotten married and lost his wife in between TB and YOLT, so he was upset over Tracy's death during YOLT.
The sign of this is the character that Ian Fleming created, James Bond. He had two big love adventures in his life, Vesper and Tracy. That the movies are not shot in the same order as the novels doesn't mean the character changes. In the TSWLM and FYEO there are references to Tracy. In MR there arent't. That doesn't mean he hadn't been married to her in MR.
In the old films DN FRWL GF TB and OHMSS, Vesper was the Big Sorrow, they just hadn't filmed CR.
When is there any sign of this? By this logic, Bond would have gotten married and lost his wife in between TB and YOLT, so he was upset over Tracy's death during YOLT.
The sign of this is the character that Ian Fleming created, James Bond. He had two big love adventures in his life, Vesper and Tracy. That the movies are not shot in the same order as the novels doesn't mean the character changes. In the TSWLM and FYEO there are references to Tracy. In MR there arent't. That doesn't mean he hadn't been married to her in MR.
Yeah, but is Connery upset over Tracy's death in YOLT movie, since those events have happened already since it did before the YOLT novel? It's the same line of thinking that doesn't work in either situation. There is no sorrow in Connery's Bond films. In the novels Bond seems to have forgotten Vesper after Live and Let Die.
When is there any sign of this? By this logic, Bond would have gotten married and lost his wife in between TB and YOLT, so he was upset over Tracy's death during YOLT.
The sign of this is the character that Ian Fleming created, James Bond. He had two big love adventures in his life, Vesper and Tracy. That the movies are not shot in the same order as the novels doesn't mean the character changes. In the TSWLM and FYEO there are references to Tracy. In MR there arent't. That doesn't mean he hadn't been married to her in MR.
Yeah, but is Connery upset over Tracy's death in YOLT movie, since those events have happened already since it did before the YOLT novel? It's the same line of thinking that doesn't work in either situation. There is no sorrow in Connery's Bond films. In the novels Bond seems to have forgotten Vesper after Live and Let Die.
Again, the timeline of the movies is not the same as the timeline of the novels. Bond is upset in the YOLT novel about Tracy's murder. Not so in the YOLT film, because they chose to alter the timeline. After OHMSS, the Bond of the movies is upset about Tracy's murder. It's there even if it's not mentioned. When it's mentioned as in TSWLM, FYEO and LTK he's clearly upset.
EON always use the Fleming novels as template for the character. Whenever they're in trouble, they go back to the novels. They define the character. Consequently, both Vesper and Tracy are the cornerstones of Bond's love life, same as M, Moneypenny and Q are the cornerstones of his work life.
The sign of this is the character that Ian Fleming created, James Bond. He had two big love adventures in his life, Vesper and Tracy. That the movies are not shot in the same order as the novels doesn't mean the character changes. In the TSWLM and FYEO there are references to Tracy. In MR there arent't. That doesn't mean he hadn't been married to her in MR.
Yeah, but is Connery upset over Tracy's death in YOLT movie, since those events have happened already since it did before the YOLT novel? It's the same line of thinking that doesn't work in either situation. There is no sorrow in Connery's Bond films. In the novels Bond seems to have forgotten Vesper after Live and Let Die.
Again, the timeline of the movies is not the same as the timeline of the novels. Bond is upset in the YOLT novel about Tracy's murder. Not so in the YOLT film, because they chose to alter the timeline. After OHMSS, the Bond of the movies is upset about Tracy's murder. It's there even if it's not mentioned. When it's mentioned as in TSWLM, FYEO and LTK he's clearly upset.
EON always use the Fleming novels as template for the character. Whenever they're in trouble, they go back to the novels. They define the character. Consequently, both Vesper and Tracy are the cornerstones of Bond's love life, same as M, Moneypenny and Q are the cornerstones of his work life.
The film character often is quite different from Fleming's character. I still don't think it's fair to say the Bond is always upset over the loss of his two loves. I certainly don't think the films have gone back to the novels whenever they're in trouble. One of the most successful Bond films, Moonraker, was the least Fleming-like. And there's no sorrow over any girl's death in that film.
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I think Marilyn Monroe would disagree
Taylor Swift too
I proudly wear my mankini at every chance.
How anyone has the nerve to wear one, I don't know.
No way...more like Baywatch...we all know that an OHMSS remake is impossible...
Too soon after Vesper and too much like OHMSS
And too soon after Inception, which has the ultimate attack on Piz Gloria.
Come up with something new or inventive. While I think they have
The best crew on any movie, so I for one expect a top notch, exciting
and entertaining movie.
Vesper is really the new Tracy though -{
Can you picture Bond marrying any of the women in the cast? Monica Belluci is too old, and is probably SPECTRE agent anyway. Lea Seydoux looks more like a typical Bond girl and doesn't strike me as the type Bond would marry. Someone under 30 for Daniel Craig to marry doesn't really seem likely anyway.
Too soon after Vesper? CR (movie) came out in 2006. Spectre comes out in 2015. Nine-year gap.
CR (novel) came out in 1953. OHMSS (novel) came out in 1963. Ten-year gap.
Seems about time Bond stopped moping around after Vesper.
Fair comments about the similar lengths of time....
But Fleming-Bond didn't mope about Vesper at all (there is no mention of her at anytime in that 10 year period bar the start of OHMSS) whereas Craig-Bond has shown all the emotional maturity of a teen getting dumped for the first time.
And without the moping, Fleming-Bond got through far more work - and therefore life sxperiences - than the infrequently seen Craig-Bond.
Too soon, therefore, IMO
But three films later vs. ten books later makes a really big difference. But I agree that Bond stopped moping around after Vesper, especially since Daniel Craig showed so little emotion in Casino Royale that I hardly believe Bond was in love with Vesper. I actually believed it much more with George Lazenby's performance.
I have just re-read OHMSS. If I were to cast an actress to play the Tracy Ian Fleming describes in the book, I would cast someone pretty close to Lea Seydoux. Under 30, blonde, enigmatic...
That doesn't mean Swann is Tracy, but it wouldn't be far fetched casting Seydoux as Tracy.
That's the same as saying Le Chiffre is the new Blofeld. Not the case.
Big sorrow in Bonds life. In the new films the death of Vesper is the
Big sorrow in Bonds life.
Why he should get so upset over a bird, I'll never know.
Craig's Bond is Fleming's Bond, so they moped about Vesper just the same: when they said "the job is done and the bitch is dead", they gave up looking for love in order to focus on being 007.
However, Fleming doesn't have a novel "10 minutes after CR", as the movie QoS is, but it's feasible that he would be looking for revenge. Not teen-love, but revenge. Since the end of QoS and SF it's implied that Bond has gone through several missions.
On the contrary, they should come up with something new and inventive. As you say they are the best crew. -{
TSWLM Reference is my favorite -{
In the old films DN FRWL GF TB and OHMSS, Vesper was the Big Sorrow, they just hadn't filmed CR. From OHMSS onwards, Tracy was.
In the new films Vesper is the the Big Sorrow, because he hasn't met Tracy yet.
When is there any sign of this? By this logic, Bond would have gotten married and lost his wife in between TB and YOLT, so he was upset over Tracy's death during YOLT.
The sign of this is the character that Ian Fleming created, James Bond. He had two big love adventures in his life, Vesper and Tracy. That the movies are not shot in the same order as the novels doesn't mean the character changes. In the TSWLM and FYEO there are references to Tracy. In MR there arent't. That doesn't mean he hadn't been married to her in MR.
Yeah, but is Connery upset over Tracy's death in YOLT movie, since those events have happened already since it did before the YOLT novel? It's the same line of thinking that doesn't work in either situation. There is no sorrow in Connery's Bond films. In the novels Bond seems to have forgotten Vesper after Live and Let Die.
Again, the timeline of the movies is not the same as the timeline of the novels. Bond is upset in the YOLT novel about Tracy's murder. Not so in the YOLT film, because they chose to alter the timeline. After OHMSS, the Bond of the movies is upset about Tracy's murder. It's there even if it's not mentioned. When it's mentioned as in TSWLM, FYEO and LTK he's clearly upset.
EON always use the Fleming novels as template for the character. Whenever they're in trouble, they go back to the novels. They define the character. Consequently, both Vesper and Tracy are the cornerstones of Bond's love life, same as M, Moneypenny and Q are the cornerstones of his work life.
The film character often is quite different from Fleming's character. I still don't think it's fair to say the Bond is always upset over the loss of his two loves. I certainly don't think the films have gone back to the novels whenever they're in trouble. One of the most successful Bond films, Moonraker, was the least Fleming-like. And there's no sorrow over any girl's death in that film.