Scene involving Bond/Phidian at St Pauls in OHMSS

broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
in The James Bond Films
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tr8pWfXi3s

There's always been a scene in OHMSS which pops up with Bond/Sir Hilary/Phidian which confused me - its the Bond goes after Phidian at the College of Arms. I know it was done because photos were taken..

Here it is i its entirety. Judge for yourself whether it should have been included.
1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
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  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    "18 Dead" is actually "19 Dead" on Campbell's newspaper. I'm surprised the re-constructor would make such an obvious typo. Is the rest of the story credible? Sounded like quite a good chase scene. Why was it scrapped ?
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    Yes, I've always wondered that too.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I think it wasn't used, because it added too much time to the film
    And really didn't add much to dive the story forward.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    "18 Dead" is actually "19 Dead" on Campbell's newspaper. I'm surprised the re-constructor would make such an obvious typo. Is the rest of the story credible? Sounded like quite a good chase scene. Why was it scrapped ?

    I think at this stage the film is pacey. It has to jump from the College of arms straight the train whistling in Switzerland.
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,746Chief of Staff
    Firemass wrote:
    "18 Dead" is actually "19 Dead" on Campbell's newspaper. I'm surprised the re-constructor would make such an obvious typo. Is the rest of the story credible? Sounded like quite a good chase scene. Why was it scrapped ?

    Wasn't the first cut of the film nearly five hours long..??..legend has it a second cut ran to over three hours...so scenes had to be cut...I'd have preferred the scene to have been left in...
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  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    Sir Miles wrote:
    Wasn't the first cut of the film nearly five hours long..??..legend has it a second cut ran to over three hours...so scenes had to be cut...I'd have preferred the scene to have been left in...

    Wow, a 5 hour version would be awesome. OHMSS Part 1 and Part 2.
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    I'd pay 1k Euros to get the 5 hours version on B-R and 500 for the 3 hr version.....

    Maybe we should do a crowdfunding and then approach EON
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    I wonder if the removed Sequences are still in the Archives of Eon?
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,746Chief of Staff
    AlphaOmegaSin wrote:
    I wonder if the removed Sequences are still in the Archives of Eon?

    I don't think they are...I don't think they bothered back then...although a couple of scenes turned up and were put back in...so I guess you never know !
    YNWA 97
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    I would have loved to have seen this sequence in the film -- it fleshes out so much of the story more and connects to the novel, where Bond constantly seems only one sliver away from disaster from moment to moment.
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    Sir Miles wrote:
    Wasn't the first cut of the film nearly five hours long..??..legend has it a second cut ran to over three hours...so scenes had to be cut...I'd have preferred the scene to have been left in...

    Wow, a 5 hour version would be awesome. OHMSS Part 1 and Part 2.

    But what could those 150 unseen minutes consist of? I mean, they followed pretty faithfully the novel as it was released. Did they film the whole plastic surgery going from Connery to Lazenby?
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,854Chief of Staff
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Did they film the whole plastic surgery going from Connery to Lazenby?

    No, that idea was dropped very early on.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Later used for DAF,with Blofeld :D
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    But what could those 150 unseen minutes consist of?
    Mostly filler, establishing shots, needless exposition, maybe an actual scene or two. The deleted stuff from Blade Runner is probably similar; 40 minutes long- a couple of scenes & tons of alternate takes & extended shots.
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  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    I just watched the Bluray this past weekend, and I noticed a very interesting added scene (not on the original DVDs). When Bond leaves Draco and Tracy in the car to visit the swiss law firm, in the DVD we stay with Bond. In the Bluray we go back to the car with Draco and Tracy and she anknowledges that she knows Bond isn't in love with her. Very important if you consider that later in Piz Gloria Bond sleeps with as many patients as he can.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Interesting! -{
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,854Chief of Staff
    You sure that's not on the DVD, Virgil?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I thought she says to her father's question " Mr Bond is in love with you ?"
    She replies " That may come too ", Which I always took to mean, she could
    Tell he was starting to fall in love with her.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    You sure that's not on the DVD, Virgil?

    I will check, but I sure don't remember it.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Barbel wrote:
    You sure that's not on the DVD, Virgil?

    I will check, but I sure don't remember it.
    I just checked- it is on my Ultimate ed. DVD. :)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,854Chief of Staff
    Thought so.
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    I thought she says to her father's question " Mr Bond is in love with you ?"
    She replies " That may come too ", Which I always took to mean, she could
    Tell he was starting to fall in love with her.

    Her body language conveys that she knows he's not in love with her. Then she replies "That may come too...someday". Draco says "life is too short for someday...I will talk to him, man to man", and she says "no talk, whatever happens there'll be no regrets". She knows he's a womanizer. Then when they meet in the village and she helps him escape, he really falls for her there. It's actually more powerful.
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Barbel wrote:
    You sure that's not on the DVD, Virgil?

    I will check, but I sure don't remember it.
    I just checked- it is on my Ultimate ed. DVD. :)

    Just checked. It's not on the original 2000 edition DVD. That's the one I have. Thought so. :007)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Just checked. It's not on the original 2000 edition DVD. That's the one I have. Thought so. :007)
    That makes all the sense in the world. -{
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,746Chief of Staff
    Virgil37 wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Virgil37 wrote:

    I will check, but I sure don't remember it.
    I just checked- it is on my Ultimate ed. DVD. :)

    Just checked. It's not on the original 2000 edition DVD. That's the one I have. Thought so. :007)

    You must have a rogue copy...that scene is on every version I have...
    YNWA 97
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,854Chief of Staff
    Does your copy have the scene where Shaun Campbell tries to get on the cable car but is turned away by Grunther? That scene isn't in every version.
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    If there was a Scene with Bond having Plastic Surgery, then they would have had to do that every time a new Actor took the Role.
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  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    Does your copy have the scene where Shaun Campbell tries to get on the cable car but is turned away by Grunther? That scene isn't in every version.

    Yes, that's on the 2000 DVD.
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    Does your copy have the scene where Shaun Campbell tries to get on the cable car but is turned away by Grunther? That scene isn't in every version.

    I'm surprised to hear that. I have several versions (VHS, DVD, Ultimate DVD, BluRay) and I would have sworn that scene was in every one of them. Now I have to go back and re-watch them all! :))
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    I think it wasn't used, because it added too much time to the film
    And really didn't add much to dive the story forward.

    Based on what I recall from reading "The Making of On Her Majesty's Secret Service", I think you're right.
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
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