Apologies for any offence caused, Vesper. None was intended. In discussing this scene we're using the terms mentioned historically in the novel which were carried forward into the film. Apologies again.
I, too, apologise for using the term from the film.
I won't be able to add anything that hasn't already been said.
Cons:
- This dude following dude following dude got tedious. Was the Bulgarian necessary to the movie?
- I don't get why Tatiana had to give the plans to Bond in this way, could she not have given it to him at the hotel room?
- I found it slower than DN. It dragged on towards the end.
Pros:
- What needs to be said?
- Bey is the best ally. Great chemistry with Connery from the get go
- Great shots of Turkey.
FRWL and DN complement each other very well. I feel obliged to rank them equally in my rankings, but as I progress in my Bondathon I feel the pacing will make me place these lower. But if DN (17th) takes a hit, FRWL (4th) must too. If I leave FRWL as is, that means DN is top 5?? This is really hard!
FRWL and DN complement each other very well. I feel obliged to rank them equally in my rankings, but as I progress in my Bondathon I feel the pacing will make me place these lower. But if DN (17th) takes a hit, FRWL (4th) must too. If I leave FRWL as is, that means DN is top 5?? This is really hard!
I have this dilemma. I think Dr. No just edges it for me as I prefer the locations and the look of it (it has a little more carefree fun about it). Also I find FRWL not very exciting for the first 45 minutes or so. But what a payoff after they have nabbed the Lektor, from there it becomes an excellently crafted and very tense spy thriller. The train scene is a stand-out in the series, and Grant an excellent villain.
* At times (very few) you notice the lack of budget (Kronsteen and Klebb first meeting with Blofeld).
* Use of DN soundtrack in certain moments.
* Fourteen minutes into the film until we see Bond (the real one) with Sylvia on screen.
The rest are all PROS: perfect cast, perfect locations, perfect scenes, great theme song. Classic movie making.
Bond making a late appearance was Fleming's idea - it was how he wrote it and since he was alive while they were doing it they were trying to keep it close to his version.
It has taken me 20 years of Bond watching to really appreciate this film for what it is. I have always enjoyed it but for one reason or another my most recent watch has solidified it as an all time favourite for me. I also agree with above comments, Dr No and From Russia With Love compliment each other well. I must do a marathon consecutive watching of both of them one night!
"Mango, banana and tangerine. Sugar and ackee and cocoa bean!"
FRWL and DN complement each other very well. I feel obliged to rank them equally in my rankings, but as I progress in my Bondathon I feel the pacing will make me place these lower. But if DN (17th) takes a hit, FRWL (4th) must too. If I leave FRWL as is, that means DN is top 5?? This is really hard!
Why wouldn't Dr No be top 5? For me, Dr No and From Russia With Love are 3rd and 1st respectively
I've always had a problem watching this movie. Maybe it's that the whole Lecktor thing confuses me, or it feels a bit slow at times.
It's not among my favorites, although I do like it. I still don't neccessarily see it among the best though
I think From Russia With Love is the best Bond film ever made. I'll grant that by today's standards, it may seem a little slow, but Bond was meant to be a spy first and foremost, not an action hero. There's nothing in the movie that doesn't belong or add to the plot, in my opinion, with the exception of the gypsy camp fight scene. The story is quite an accurate adaptation of the novel, which was one of Fleming's best.
Also, what aspect of the Lektor plot confuses you?
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I think From Russia With Love is the best Bond film ever made. I'll grant that by today's standards, it may seem a little slow, but Bond was meant to be a spy first and foremost, not an action hero. There's nothing in the movie that doesn't belong or add to the plot, in my opinion, with the exception of the gypsy camp fight scene. The story is quite an accurate adaptation of the novel, which was one of Fleming's best.
Gentleman....a bow...well done..
1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
Watched it again and two things always bothered me. One is sticking SPECTRE in it just so the Soviets wouldn't be the bad guys? Really? Did they forget about the Cuban missile crisis? I cant see how that would have been Fleming's idea (but I could be wrong) since he didn't have any problems with that in his novels. Also, a criminal group fooling the Soviets and the UK? Righhhht.
All it did was complicate a very simple plot - kill Bond trying to steal the device from the Russians and embarrass the UK government.
Two. Q's attache case. I'm okay with everything in it except the tear gas. Now, it seems to me it was initially put in so an agent like Bond could use it's temporary effect of incapacitating the enemy so he could escape - not stay and fight. It's TEAR GAS. I was exposed to this in basic training in the Navy in a room smaller than the train compartment with a few other sailors and it was very briefly. Trust me, if it were real and went off as it does in the movie, both Grant and Bond would have been in big trouble, not being able to breathe or barely see - you know, things that really help in close quarter brawling.
Watched FRWL again last night. Loved it. In my opinion the fight between Bond and Grant has never been bettered. The casting is perfect - love Tatiana. The whole train sequence is as tense and claustrophobic as you can get. This is how a spy film should be done and fully deserves all the plaudits and respect that it gets. -{
FRWL and DN complement each other very well. I feel obliged to rank them equally in my rankings, but as I progress in my Bondathon I feel the pacing will make me place these lower. But if DN (17th) takes a hit, FRWL (4th) must too. If I leave FRWL as is, that means DN is top 5?? This is really hard!
Why wouldn't Dr No be top 5? For me, Dr No and From Russia With Love are 3rd and 1st respectively
I've always had a problem watching this movie. Maybe it's that the whole Lecktor thing confuses me, or it feels a bit slow at times.
It's not among my favorites, although I do like it. I still don't neccessarily see it among the best though
I think From Russia With Love is the best Bond film ever made. I'll grant that by today's standards, it may seem a little slow, but Bond was meant to be a spy first and foremost, not an action hero. There's nothing in the movie that doesn't belong or add to the plot, in my opinion, with the exception of the gypsy camp fight scene. The story is quite an accurate adaptation of the novel, which was one of Fleming's best.
Also, what aspect of the Lektor plot confuses you?
Well, for starters, what is a Lektor?
It just gets a bit confusing when you realize that Rosa Klebb is an ex SMERSH who now works for SPECTRE, and Romanova is being fooled into thinking she is doing things for Mother Russia... and the whole Idea of stealing the Lektor from the Soviets and then returning it while done to get revenge from Bond.
If you aren't paying attention carefully, things can get really confusing.
It's still a good Bond film. Besides, Matt Monro's song is probably my favorite of the series.
It's Fleming's updating of the Enigma machine used by the Germans in WW2. In the novel, it's called a Spektor but this was changed for the film, to avoid confusion with SPECTRE.
All of these machines, both real and fictional, encode or decode messages.
Bond was meant to be a spy first and foremost, not an action hero.
This is why the first three films are such classics now. And why I love Dalton's (& Lazenby's) so much- even though they have action, they don't make Bond seem super human.
How could they forget about the Cuban Missile Crisis if it hadn't happened yet?
The crisis took place in October 1962. I remember it vividly even as young as I was and it was damn scary. FRWL principal photography began the following spring in April 1963 and wrapped on in August. It premiered on 10 October 1963 at the Odeon Leicester Square in London.
Johanna Harwood and Richard Maibaum wrote the screenplay, though Harwood was credited for "adaptation" - mostly for her suggestions, she left the series because she complained about Terrance Young constantly rewriting her work with ideas not in Fleming's novels. Maibaum ended up doing a lot of rewrites even while they were filming. Given all that, I blame the producers as well as Young and the writers for sticking SPECTRE in not only this film but in DN. I'm surprised they didn't make Goldfinger a SPECTRE agent. I suppose they didn't mind making the Chinese government the villains since they probably figured it wasn't going to be seen much in China anyway. The whole "leave out the Soviets as the villains" angle in FRWL is the one I don't get. They put bloody nuclear missiles around 144 km from Florida!
Perhaps they were thinking about making SPECTRE the villains behind every plot in the series - and in the case of Connery's and OHMSS, well, they did except GF. It would not have surprised me if they had kept doing this. What confuses me is how EON was able to use SPECTRE and Blofeld in any of the films except TB since Kevin McClory owned the rights to these.
Still, I think sticking Blofeld and SPECTRE in FRWL is one of the plot devices that made the film less believable for me. Given all this, it's still one of the best films, as it stayed close to Fleming's novel and had such memorable elements in it.
How could they forget about the Cuban Missile Crisis if it hadn't happened yet?
The crisis took place in October 1962. I remember it vividly even as young as I was and it was damn scary. FRWL principal photography began the following spring in April 1963 and wrapped on in August. It premiered on 10 October 1963 at the Odeon Leicester Square in London.
Johanna Harwood and Richard Maibaum wrote the screenplay, though Harwood was credited for "adaptation" - mostly for her suggestions, she left the series because she complained about Terrance Young constantly rewriting her work with ideas not in Fleming's novels. Maibaum ended up doing a lot of rewrites even while they were filming. Given all that, I blame the producers as well as Young and the writers for sticking SPECTRE in not only this film but in DN. I'm surprised they didn't make Goldfinger a SPECTRE agent. I suppose they didn't mind making the Chinese government the villains since they probably figured it wasn't going to be seen much in China anyway. The whole leave out the Soviets as the villains angle in FRWL is the one I don't get. They put bloody nuclear missiles around 144 km from Florida!
Perhaps they were thinking about making SPECTRE the villains behind every plot in the series - and in the case of Connery's and OHMSS, well, they did except GF. It would not have surprised me if they had kept doing this. What confuses me is how EON was able to use SPECTRE and Blofeld in any of the films except TB since Kevin McClory owned the rights to these.
Still, I think sticking Blofeld and SPECTRE in FRWL is one of the plot devices that made the film less believable for me. Given all this, it's still one of the best films, as it stayed close to Fleming's novel and had such memorable elements in it.
Sorry, I was off a year on the Missile Crisis. The Russians were rarely bad guys in the Bond films. Basically just in FYEO.
one of the best Bond films of all time.
Shaw is excellent
Rosa Klebb
The introduction of Spectre
The locations, Turkey, Scotland at the end standing in for Eastern Europe and Venice.
Tania
The script
The direction
Faithful to the novel.
The titles
The music
Watched FRWL again last night. Loved it. In my opinion the fight between Bond and Grant has never been bettered. The casting is perfect - love Tatiana. The whole train sequence is as tense and claustrophobic as you can get. This is how a spy film should be done and fully deserves all the plaudits and respect that it gets. -{
I know that perhaps to some modern eyes, it appears slow moving, but
It is a mainly story based film. So time has to be given, to let that story
and characters unfold.
An obvious test is to look at other thrillers or action films from 1963, then
You're see for its time FRWL is a very fast paced, taut thriller .
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I know that perhaps to some modern eyes, it appears slow moving, but
It is a mainly story based film. So time has to be given, to let that story
and characters unfold.
An obvious test is to look at other thrillers or action films from 1963, then
You're see for its time FRWL is a very fast paced, taut thriller .
Compared to many other spy thrillers, FRWL is indeed decently paced. But compare it to the similar but faster-paced North By Northwest four years earlier, and FRWL seems slow.
I really like From Russia With Love; it has humour but it also has glamour and class.
Pros:
- No convoluted plot
- Good theme tune
- Interesting villains
- Daniella Bianchi is glamorous but not used purely as a sex object
- Stands up as a film alone from the franchise
- Fewer but more effective use of gadgets
- Feels like more of a spy film
Cons:
- Maybe a bit slow (but I wouldn't say dull)
In GF, Bond says " there would be the sweet tang of Rape, about the love making"
( might not be GF, but I think it is)
Fleming enjoyed handing out a bit of a spanking, so I guess he transfered that
On to Bond.
I think the 'sweet tang of rape' is mentioned in Casino Royale.
Comments
I, too, apologise for using the term from the film.
Cons:
- This dude following dude following dude got tedious. Was the Bulgarian necessary to the movie?
- I don't get why Tatiana had to give the plans to Bond in this way, could she not have given it to him at the hotel room?
- I found it slower than DN. It dragged on towards the end.
Pros:
- What needs to be said?
- Bey is the best ally. Great chemistry with Connery from the get go
- Great shots of Turkey.
FRWL and DN complement each other very well. I feel obliged to rank them equally in my rankings, but as I progress in my Bondathon I feel the pacing will make me place these lower. But if DN (17th) takes a hit, FRWL (4th) must too. If I leave FRWL as is, that means DN is top 5?? This is really hard!
I have this dilemma. I think Dr. No just edges it for me as I prefer the locations and the look of it (it has a little more carefree fun about it). Also I find FRWL not very exciting for the first 45 minutes or so. But what a payoff after they have nabbed the Lektor, from there it becomes an excellently crafted and very tense spy thriller. The train scene is a stand-out in the series, and Grant an excellent villain.
Bond making a late appearance was Fleming's idea - it was how he wrote it and since he was alive while they were doing it they were trying to keep it close to his version.
It's not among my favorites, although I do like it. I still don't neccessarily see it among the best though
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Why wouldn't Dr No be top 5? For me, Dr No and From Russia With Love are 3rd and 1st respectively
I think From Russia With Love is the best Bond film ever made. I'll grant that by today's standards, it may seem a little slow, but Bond was meant to be a spy first and foremost, not an action hero. There's nothing in the movie that doesn't belong or add to the plot, in my opinion, with the exception of the gypsy camp fight scene. The story is quite an accurate adaptation of the novel, which was one of Fleming's best.
Also, what aspect of the Lektor plot confuses you?
Gentleman....a bow...well done..
All it did was complicate a very simple plot - kill Bond trying to steal the device from the Russians and embarrass the UK government.
Two. Q's attache case. I'm okay with everything in it except the tear gas. Now, it seems to me it was initially put in so an agent like Bond could use it's temporary effect of incapacitating the enemy so he could escape - not stay and fight. It's TEAR GAS. I was exposed to this in basic training in the Navy in a room smaller than the train compartment with a few other sailors and it was very briefly. Trust me, if it were real and went off as it does in the movie, both Grant and Bond would have been in big trouble, not being able to breathe or barely see - you know, things that really help in close quarter brawling.
Looking at your top five TP we seem to have similar ideas when it comes to Bond films.
That would be the right ideas
Obviously have good taste. -{
How could they forget about the Cuban Missile Crisis if it hadn't happened yet?
Well, for starters, what is a Lektor?
It just gets a bit confusing when you realize that Rosa Klebb is an ex SMERSH who now works for SPECTRE, and Romanova is being fooled into thinking she is doing things for Mother Russia... and the whole Idea of stealing the Lektor from the Soviets and then returning it while done to get revenge from Bond.
If you aren't paying attention carefully, things can get really confusing.
It's still a good Bond film. Besides, Matt Monro's song is probably my favorite of the series.
And thanks Thunderpussy for the links :007)
It's Fleming's updating of the Enigma machine used by the Germans in WW2. In the novel, it's called a Spektor but this was changed for the film, to avoid confusion with SPECTRE.
All of these machines, both real and fictional, encode or decode messages.
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
The crisis took place in October 1962. I remember it vividly even as young as I was and it was damn scary. FRWL principal photography began the following spring in April 1963 and wrapped on in August. It premiered on 10 October 1963 at the Odeon Leicester Square in London.
Johanna Harwood and Richard Maibaum wrote the screenplay, though Harwood was credited for "adaptation" - mostly for her suggestions, she left the series because she complained about Terrance Young constantly rewriting her work with ideas not in Fleming's novels. Maibaum ended up doing a lot of rewrites even while they were filming. Given all that, I blame the producers as well as Young and the writers for sticking SPECTRE in not only this film but in DN. I'm surprised they didn't make Goldfinger a SPECTRE agent. I suppose they didn't mind making the Chinese government the villains since they probably figured it wasn't going to be seen much in China anyway. The whole "leave out the Soviets as the villains" angle in FRWL is the one I don't get. They put bloody nuclear missiles around 144 km from Florida!
Perhaps they were thinking about making SPECTRE the villains behind every plot in the series - and in the case of Connery's and OHMSS, well, they did except GF. It would not have surprised me if they had kept doing this. What confuses me is how EON was able to use SPECTRE and Blofeld in any of the films except TB since Kevin McClory owned the rights to these.
Still, I think sticking Blofeld and SPECTRE in FRWL is one of the plot devices that made the film less believable for me. Given all this, it's still one of the best films, as it stayed close to Fleming's novel and had such memorable elements in it.
Sorry, I was off a year on the Missile Crisis. The Russians were rarely bad guys in the Bond films. Basically just in FYEO.
one of the best Bond films of all time.
Shaw is excellent
Rosa Klebb
The introduction of Spectre
The locations, Turkey, Scotland at the end standing in for Eastern Europe and Venice.
Tania
The script
The direction
Faithful to the novel.
The titles
The music
CONS
NONE
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It is a mainly story based film. So time has to be given, to let that story
and characters unfold.
An obvious test is to look at other thrillers or action films from 1963, then
You're see for its time FRWL is a very fast paced, taut thriller .
Compared to many other spy thrillers, FRWL is indeed decently paced. But compare it to the similar but faster-paced North By Northwest four years earlier, and FRWL seems slow.
even when seeing it for the first time as a kid way back in time.
Pros:
- No convoluted plot
- Good theme tune
- Interesting villains
- Daniella Bianchi is glamorous but not used purely as a sex object
- Stands up as a film alone from the franchise
- Fewer but more effective use of gadgets
- Feels like more of a spy film
Cons:
- Maybe a bit slow (but I wouldn't say dull)
I think the 'sweet tang of rape' is mentioned in Casino Royale.