It's the Conti score that gets my hate. Easily my least fave Bond score.
I hate no Bond score but that one. X-(
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
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I think Brosnan is good in GE, there are certain scenes where he actually shines even better than he does in TND, TWINE and DAD:
- Mishkin debate
- Romance with Natalya in Cuba
- General fights/action
- Conversation with M
- Scene with Onatopp in the sauna
But some of the other scenes he doesn't and I would purely put this down to concsious writing that it wasn't all supposed to be about "Bond" because somehow the audience wouldn't buy it or weren't ready to accept the PB Bond we see in TND...
Brosnan is good in GE, Dench makes a good first impression as the M, and the score is acceptable too .... However, the film drags a lot. Some of the sequences seem to be inspired by other Bond films. And some of the performances by the support cast are too OTT making the movie unbearable
IMO Brosnan is excellent in GE, but needed to grow into the role, somewhat like Moore did.
I think he's fantastic in his next 3 performances. That run from TND to DAD is my fave consecutive run of performances by any Bond actor.
Dalton is the only Bond that I feel didn't need to grow into the role, as I consider TLD to have his best performance in it.
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IMO Brosnan is excellent in GE, but needed to grow into the role, somewhat like Moore did.
I think he's fantastic in his next 3 performances. That run from TND to DAD is my fave consecutive run of performances by any Bond actor.
Dalton is the only Bond that I feel didn't need to grow into the role, as I consider TLD to have his best performance in it.
I'm with you. Just think about the casino scene. he's already Bond there, no more persuasion has to be done. almost as classic as the one from Dr.No
It was good but there is no comparison with that one - DN is at a different level .... It is like comparing Ford Mustang (Brosnan's intro) with Porsche 911 (Connery's intro) :007)
nothing compares to the Dr.No casino scene, that is, dare I say it, the best Bond scene there is!
what I meant is that it is similar done.
Yes, it kinda feels like a tribute to the Dr. No introduction.
Let's get it out of the way before I'm misunderstood: there is no doubt that no one ever has or ever will come close to Connery's delivery of the "Bond, James Bond" line in that scene. It's not even debatable.
That being said, I do love the GE casino scene. Makes me wish I could be as cool as Brosnan's Bond looks in it.
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I love GoldenEye. Pierce Brosnan is, for me, the perfect fit, and still is. My quintessential Bond. He gives a very polished performance for his debut, and a very physical one at that when called for. The fight scene between Bond and Trevelyan is very punishing and ferocious and very well done.
Judy Dench as M is wonderful, with some great dialogue and some acerbic lines to the brilliant Michael Kitchen's Tanner.
Natalya is beautiful and feisty. Xenia is beautiful and unhinged!
Sean Bean I feel is a worthy adversary, played with restrained disgust for England.
I simply cannot fault GoldenEye. Bond's "double" introduction, emphasising his world. From infiltration into the enemy's holdout, to the magnificent vista of the beautifully filmed Casino entrance. Love the nod of respect the Casino manager gives when Bond asks to raise his stake.
Bond and Q simply hit it off from the get-go. A lovely scene between them that would be repeated until their poignant final meeting.
Nor can I find any fault with the score. It may not be Barry, but fits perfectly with the cold war feel.
Even the much maligned plane scene. This is an adventure. And heaven knows Bond's previous assignments have seen him falling out of/being pushed from/fighting from the back of/hanging off of aircraft; sking down mountains and launching himself from the cliff face. Bond is surely used to free-falling; why should, as his only means of escape, not chase down a plane?
As I said, I cannot find fault. A great Bond adventure. Rock solid 10/10 for me. -{
GoldenEye is one of my most favourite 007 adventures, even more today than it was 20 years ago.
Back then there were parts I was not too keen on. Perhaps it's something you can expect every time a new actor takes over? I didn't particularly like the leading ladies. The title song by Tina Turner was a disappointment. Then again, the song, while not great on its own, went great with the fabulous title credits (some of the best in the series, only matched by Skyfall since), and the ladies seem to look better to me today than they did back then.
When I watched it on Blu-ray for the first time this week, the most surprising thing was how quickly the time passed. The whole story was over so quickly that it left me wanting more and more.
Brosnan, to me, is the only Bond that can rival Connery, but it was not Connery who brought Bond out of the Cold War and into the 21st century.
Certainly 10/10. I would find it hard to rank Bond movies precisely, but it certainly would be in the top 3.
Brosnan, to me, is the only Bond that can rival Connery, but it was not Connery who brought Bond out of the Wold War and into the 21st century.
It takes a lot of bravery to say that. :v
Also, it's Cold* War.
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Brosnan, to me, is the only Bond that can rival Connery, but it was not Connery who brought Bond out of the Wold War and into the 21st century.
It takes a lot of bravery to say that. :v
Also, it's Cold* War.
Actually it WAS Cold War! ) Thanks, fixed now - I was sure I'd typed it right! Must be early dementia onset.
I don't think it's that brave to compare other actors to Connery. It only confirms Connery as a benchmark, and don't we all do it sometimes with our favourite Bond of the moment?
It's just that it seems to be "common knowledge" that Connery was the first and best Bond.
He's a bit like The Beatles, in that many regard them to be the greatest rock band ever because they influenced everyone who came after them (or something like that).
Personally while I do like the Beatles they're most certainly not the band I listen to the most. They may have been influential, but give me the Stones, The Doors or The Who over them any day.
Connery was undoubtedly the man who set the standard for how Bond would be portrayed, but he's currently my 4th fave Bond in spite of that.
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It's just that it seems to be "common knowledge" that Connery was the first and best Bond.
He's a bit like The Beatles, in that many regard them to be the greatest rock band ever because they influenced everyone who came after them (or something like that).
Personally while I do like the Beatles they're most certainly not the band I listen to the most. They may have been influential, but give me the Stones, The Doors or The Who over them any day.
Connery was undoubtedly the man who set the standard for how Bond would be portrayed, but he's currently my 4th fave Bond in spite of that.
A more appropriate analogy would be how Bond films made an impact on spy films genre, Connery made an impact on how spies are played .... You are comparing someone who pioneered Bond with someone who played Bond after watching 16 films
It's just that it seems to be "common knowledge" that Connery was the first and best Bond.
He's a bit like The Beatles, in that many regard them to be the greatest rock band ever because they influenced everyone who came after them (or something like that).
Personally while I do like the Beatles they're most certainly not the band I listen to the most. They may have been influential, but give me the Stones, The Doors or The Who over them any day.
Connery was undoubtedly the man who set the standard for how Bond would be portrayed, but he's currently my 4th fave Bond in spite of that.
Hold on... If Connery was the best Bond, how come he's not your no. 1? )
I think "the most influential Bond" is a better description, since quite a few people I can think of do not consider him the best one.
It's just that it seems to be "common knowledge" that Connery was the first and best Bond.
He's a bit like The Beatles, in that many regard them to be the greatest rock band ever because they influenced everyone who came after them (or something like that).
Personally while I do like the Beatles they're most certainly not the band I listen to the most. They may have been influential, but give me the Stones, The Doors or The Who over them any day.
Connery was undoubtedly the man who set the standard for how Bond would be portrayed, but he's currently my 4th fave Bond in spite of that.
A more appropriate analogy would be how Bond films made an impact on spy films genre, Connery made an impact on how spies are played .... You are comparing someone who pioneered Bond with someone who played Bond after watching 16 films
If Connery was a mistake playing Bond terribly, or even if he was a mediocre actor uncomfortable in the role, then if wouldn't matter, the actor playing Bod after 5, 15 or 50 movies could still be the best. We don't exactly say how the first stage actor to play Hamlet was the best Hamlet ever... I'm not even sure we know who it was!
If Connery was a mistake playing Bond terribly, or even if he was a mediocre actor uncomfortable in the role, then if wouldn't matter, the actor playing Bod after 5, 15 or 50 movies could still be the best. We don't exactly say how the first stage actor to play Hamlet was the best Hamlet ever... I'm not even sure we know who it was!
Irrelevant point as what Connery did is on the table
It is, but... we would not accept Connery's Bond in 2015. And back in 1962 a 21st century Bond would have been an unthinkable oddity. Cinematography was different. Scripts were written according to different rules.
To make my point clear: it's hard to make direct comparisons between different Bonds, apart from personal preferences. This is in no way intended to diminish Connery's input and influence!
It is, but... we would not accept Connery's Bon
d in 2015. And back in 1962 a 21st century Bond would have been an unthinkable oddity. Cinematography was different. Scripts were written according to different rules.
To make my point clear: it's hard to make direct comparisons between different Bonds, apart from personal preferences. This is in no way intended to diminish Connery's input and influence!
Unnecessary assumptions as SC as Bond is not equal to Connery's Bond. .... FYI, SC played Bond in 80s too and some of his other characters have that Bond like qualities
Personal preferences aside, objectively SC is in a different league than PB's (and the other newer Bonds for that matter). Considering factors such as popularity, BO results, fame, # of films, approval rate in the respective period, etc. .... You may consider AFG/Iraq/Syria as your fav / greatest vacation destinations today, but objectively they are not
It is, but... we would not accept Connery's Bon
d in 2015. And back in 1962 a 21st century Bond would have been an unthinkable oddity. Cinematography was different. Scripts were written according to different rules.
To make my point clear: it's hard to make direct comparisons between different Bonds, apart from personal preferences. This is in no way intended to diminish Connery's input and influence!
Unnecessary assumptions as SC as Bond is not equal to Connery's Bond. .... FYI, SC played Bond in 80s too and some of his other characters have that Bond like qualities
Personal preferences aside, objectively SC is in a different league than PB's (and the other newer Bonds for that matter). Considering factors such as popularity, BO results, fame, # of films, approval rate in the respective period, etc. .... You may consider AFG/Iraq/Syria as your fav / greatest vacation destinations today, but objectively they are not
out of his league because if "# of films"? SC did 6, PB 4, so that would mean RM is out of SC's league ?:)
As mentioned - "considering factors such as popularity, BO results, fame, # of films, approval rate in the respective period, etc." - so it is an holistic approach and depended on a variety of factors .... Say there is a question - "Rank the best destinations with warm climate, luxurious hotels, pristine beaches, good food, great shopping, etc". Your point would be similar to someone suggesting that " Sahara Desert is warm so would it mean that the middle of it can be ranked among the best destinations?"
You may or may not understand what is written below. But anyways, I will try to answer the question objectively. To illustrate, benchmark SC:
Films:
SC = 100 (6 films = 100)
RM = 117 (17% more than SC)
PB = 66 (34% less than SC)
DC = 66 (See above)
Avg gross per film:
SC = 100
RM = 76
PB = 70
DC = 109
Approval as Bond in the respective period:
SC = 100
RM = 88
PB = 83
DC = 86
Etc., ....
Total:
1. SC = 300
2. RM = 281
3. DC = 261
4. PB = 219
So, objectively, RM is lot closer to SC than any other Bond :007)
The way Brosnan catches the blokes reflection in the brass object on the ship and he dispatches him before the guy knows what hit him. Down those stairs my man .
Yes!...then composes himself with the very same towel used to dispatch the guy.
The way Brosnan catches the blokes reflection in the brass object on the ship and he dispatches him before the guy knows what hit him. Down those stairs my man .
Yes!...then composes himself with the very same towel used to dispatch the guy.
Cool moment. Bond distinguishes himself by those tiny moments, the Velcro on the Dinner Jacket, the cuff link adjustment,the casual setting off of the alarm in Shrublands...
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
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CR67 has a great score...some fabulous tunes...I don't mind Serra's score at all...although he seems to use the same stuff for all his films
I hate no Bond score but that one. X-(
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But I can't decide who but Brosnan could have brought it back. Perhaps Brosnan was iniveitable...
you say that like it's a bad thing 8-)
It's broad, you know. :v
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- Mishkin debate
- Romance with Natalya in Cuba
- General fights/action
- Conversation with M
- Scene with Onatopp in the sauna
But some of the other scenes he doesn't and I would purely put this down to concsious writing that it wasn't all supposed to be about "Bond" because somehow the audience wouldn't buy it or weren't ready to accept the PB Bond we see in TND...
"Better make that two."
I think he's fantastic in his next 3 performances. That run from TND to DAD is my fave consecutive run of performances by any Bond actor.
Dalton is the only Bond that I feel didn't need to grow into the role, as I consider TLD to have his best performance in it.
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I'm with you. Just think about the casino scene. he's already Bond there, no more persuasion has to be done. almost as classic as the one from Dr.No
It was good but there is no comparison with that one - DN is at a different level .... It is like comparing Ford Mustang (Brosnan's intro) with Porsche 911 (Connery's intro) :007)
what I meant is that it is similar done.
Yes, it kinda feels like a tribute to the Dr. No introduction.
Let's get it out of the way before I'm misunderstood: there is no doubt that no one ever has or ever will come close to Connery's delivery of the "Bond, James Bond" line in that scene. It's not even debatable.
That being said, I do love the GE casino scene. Makes me wish I could be as cool as Brosnan's Bond looks in it.
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1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
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Judy Dench as M is wonderful, with some great dialogue and some acerbic lines to the brilliant Michael Kitchen's Tanner.
Natalya is beautiful and feisty. Xenia is beautiful and unhinged!
Sean Bean I feel is a worthy adversary, played with restrained disgust for England.
I simply cannot fault GoldenEye. Bond's "double" introduction, emphasising his world. From infiltration into the enemy's holdout, to the magnificent vista of the beautifully filmed Casino entrance. Love the nod of respect the Casino manager gives when Bond asks to raise his stake.
Bond and Q simply hit it off from the get-go. A lovely scene between them that would be repeated until their poignant final meeting.
Nor can I find any fault with the score. It may not be Barry, but fits perfectly with the cold war feel.
Even the much maligned plane scene. This is an adventure. And heaven knows Bond's previous assignments have seen him falling out of/being pushed from/fighting from the back of/hanging off of aircraft; sking down mountains and launching himself from the cliff face. Bond is surely used to free-falling; why should, as his only means of escape, not chase down a plane?
As I said, I cannot find fault. A great Bond adventure. Rock solid 10/10 for me. -{
Back then there were parts I was not too keen on. Perhaps it's something you can expect every time a new actor takes over? I didn't particularly like the leading ladies. The title song by Tina Turner was a disappointment. Then again, the song, while not great on its own, went great with the fabulous title credits (some of the best in the series, only matched by Skyfall since), and the ladies seem to look better to me today than they did back then.
When I watched it on Blu-ray for the first time this week, the most surprising thing was how quickly the time passed. The whole story was over so quickly that it left me wanting more and more.
Brosnan, to me, is the only Bond that can rival Connery, but it was not Connery who brought Bond out of the Cold War and into the 21st century.
Certainly 10/10. I would find it hard to rank Bond movies precisely, but it certainly would be in the top 3.
It takes a lot of bravery to say that. :v
Also, it's Cold* War.
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Actually it WAS Cold War!
I don't think it's that brave to compare other actors to Connery. It only confirms Connery as a benchmark, and don't we all do it sometimes with our favourite Bond of the moment?
He's a bit like The Beatles, in that many regard them to be the greatest rock band ever because they influenced everyone who came after them (or something like that).
Personally while I do like the Beatles they're most certainly not the band I listen to the most. They may have been influential, but give me the Stones, The Doors or The Who over them any day.
Connery was undoubtedly the man who set the standard for how Bond would be portrayed, but he's currently my 4th fave Bond in spite of that.
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A more appropriate analogy would be how Bond films made an impact on spy films genre, Connery made an impact on how spies are played .... You are comparing someone who pioneered Bond with someone who played Bond after watching 16 films
Hold on... If Connery was the best Bond, how come he's not your no. 1?
I think "the most influential Bond" is a better description, since quite a few people I can think of do not consider him the best one.
If Connery was a mistake playing Bond terribly, or even if he was a mediocre actor uncomfortable in the role, then if wouldn't matter, the actor playing Bod after 5, 15 or 50 movies could still be the best. We don't exactly say how the first stage actor to play Hamlet was the best Hamlet ever... I'm not even sure we know who it was!
I agree with that...."best" doesn't work for me even with Moore. It's like that joke of The Thick of It:
"Better make that two."
Irrelevant point as what Connery did is on the table
To make my point clear: it's hard to make direct comparisons between different Bonds, apart from personal preferences. This is in no way intended to diminish Connery's input and influence!
Unnecessary assumptions as SC as Bond is not equal to Connery's Bond. .... FYI, SC played Bond in 80s too and some of his other characters have that Bond like qualities
Personal preferences aside, objectively SC is in a different league than PB's (and the other newer Bonds for that matter). Considering factors such as popularity, BO results, fame, # of films, approval rate in the respective period, etc. .... You may consider AFG/Iraq/Syria as your fav / greatest vacation destinations today, but objectively they are not
I don't think I follow...
As mentioned - "considering factors such as popularity, BO results, fame, # of films, approval rate in the respective period, etc." - so it is an holistic approach and depended on a variety of factors .... Say there is a question - "Rank the best destinations with warm climate, luxurious hotels, pristine beaches, good food, great shopping, etc". Your point would be similar to someone suggesting that " Sahara Desert is warm so would it mean that the middle of it can be ranked among the best destinations?"
You may or may not understand what is written below. But anyways, I will try to answer the question objectively. To illustrate, benchmark SC:
Films:
SC = 100 (6 films = 100)
RM = 117 (17% more than SC)
PB = 66 (34% less than SC)
DC = 66 (See above)
Avg gross per film:
SC = 100
RM = 76
PB = 70
DC = 109
Approval as Bond in the respective period:
SC = 100
RM = 88
PB = 83
DC = 86
Etc., ....
Total:
1. SC = 300
2. RM = 281
3. DC = 261
4. PB = 219
So, objectively, RM is lot closer to SC than any other Bond :007)
Yes!...then composes himself with the very same towel used to dispatch the guy.
Cool moment. Bond distinguishes himself by those tiny moments, the Velcro on the Dinner Jacket, the cuff link adjustment,the casual setting off of the alarm in Shrublands...