"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Astrology is mainly used to predict and not to prove theories .... However accuracy of such prediction can be modeled to make an informed decision vs. "I have this feeling" or shooting in the dark
The way Brosnan catches the blokes reflection in the brass object on the ship and he dispatches him before the guy knows what hit him. Down those stairs my man .
Yes!...then composes himself with the very same towel used to dispatch the guy.
Cool moment. Bond distinguishes himself by those tiny moments, the Velcro on the Dinner Jacket, the cuff link adjustment,the casual setting off of the alarm in Shrublands...
Yes!...then composes himself with the very same towel used to dispatch the guy.
Cool moment. Bond distinguishes himself by those tiny moments, the Velcro on the Dinner Jacket, the cuff link adjustment,the casual setting off of the alarm in Shrublands...
Not to mention the tie straightening!... :007)
Of course, how could I have neglected that!
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
So I now reach GE in my revisiting of the movies - I have only seen this twice before - once upon release and again probably 10 years or so ago - I never liked PB as Bond so I wonder if my view will change?
Pros:
DB5 is back.
Q scene - DL is obviously enjoying his part in this one.
Bond discovering Alec is still alive.
Villain's lair is good.
General Ouromov - Onatopp
Cons:
PTS
Title song - Titles - Music
DB5/Ferrari chase with evaluation inserts
Onatopp/Admiral sex scene too graphic for a Bond movie
Tank chase - statue on tank is as ridiculous as the MR gondola hovercraft scene
Jack Wade
Observations:
We have a new Bond, M and Moneypenny. Basic plot of laser from space mimics DAF. We learn of how Bond became an orphan.
Conclusion:
Reviewing this has only confirmed that in my opinion PB does not make a good Bond in fact he is the only actor I cannot actually believe IS Bond. He looks too pretty - he doesn't talk as Bond should - his quips are lame (that's down to the script I know) but his delivery is awful. Having Joe Don Baker back in another major role is poor as his acting is rudimentary to say the least. The jury is out on Judi Dench as M, I'm not that impressed to be fair but there are signs that she may grow into the role. Ouromov is a good character and Famke Jansenn is impressive as Onatopp a really good hench(wo)man who is reminiscent of the May Day character but Famke can act a lot better. I don't like graphic sex scenes in a Bond movie and the Onatopp/Admiral scene was over the top. Natalya was bland as the BG and Moneypenny was irritating. The music is the worst ever - even TMWTGG sounds like a masterpiece compared to this. After TD's brilliant performance as Bond unfortunately this takes a backward step and the movie just lumbers on from scene to scene - at least even the worst of the RM movies were fun to watch but I can never imagine wanting to see this one again.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
So I now reach GE in my revisiting of the movies - I have only seen this twice before - once upon release and again probably 10 years or so ago - I never liked PB as Bond so I wonder if my view will change?
Pros:
DB5 is back.
Q scene - DL is obviously enjoying his part in this one.
Bond discovering Alec is still alive.
Villain's lair is good.
General Ouromov - Onatopp
Cons:
PTS
Title song - Titles - Music
DB5/Ferrari chase with evaluation inserts
Onatopp/Admiral sex scene too graphic for a Bond movie
Tank chase - statue on tank is as ridiculous as the MR gondola hovercraft scene
Jack Wade
Observations:
We have a new Bond, M and Moneypenny. Basic plot of laser from space mimics DAF. We learn of how Bond became an orphan.
Conclusion:
Reviewing this has only confirmed that in my opinion PB does not make a good Bond in fact he is the only actor I cannot actually believe IS Bond. He looks too pretty - he doesn't talk as Bond should - his quips are lame (that's down to the script I know) but his delivery is awful. Having Joe Don Baker back in another major role is poor as his acting is rudimentary to say the least. The jury is out on Judi Dench as M, I'm not that impressed to be fair but there are signs that she may grow into the role. Ouromov is a good character and Famke Jansenn is impressive as Onatopp a really good hench(wo)man who is reminiscent of the May Day character but Famke can act a lot better. I don't like graphic sex scenes in a Bond movie and the Onatopp/Admiral scene was over the top. Natalya was bland as the BG and Moneypenny was irritating. The music is the worst ever - even TMWTGG sounds like a masterpiece compared to this. After TD's brilliant performance as Bond unfortunately this takes a backward step and the movie just lumbers on from scene to scene - at least even the worst of the RM movies were fun to watch but I can never imagine wanting to see this one again.
what's wrong with the PTS?
"You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
So I now reach GE in my revisiting of the movies - I have only seen this twice before - once upon release and again probably 10 years or so ago - I never liked PB as Bond so I wonder if my view will change?
Pros:
DB5 is back.
Q scene - DL is obviously enjoying his part in this one.
Bond discovering Alec is still alive.
Villain's lair is good.
General Ouromov - Onatopp
Cons:
PTS
Title song - Titles - Music
DB5/Ferrari chase with evaluation inserts
Onatopp/Admiral sex scene too graphic for a Bond movie
Tank chase - statue on tank is as ridiculous as the MR gondola hovercraft scene
Jack Wade
Observations:
We have a new Bond, M and Moneypenny. Basic plot of laser from space mimics DAF. We learn of how Bond became an orphan.
Conclusion:
Reviewing this has only confirmed that in my opinion PB does not make a good Bond in fact he is the only actor I cannot actually believe IS Bond. He looks too pretty - he doesn't talk as Bond should - his quips are lame (that's down to the script I know) but his delivery is awful. Having Joe Don Baker back in another major role is poor as his acting is rudimentary to say the least. The jury is out on Judi Dench as M, I'm not that impressed to be fair but there are signs that she may grow into the role. Ouromov is a good character and Famke Jansenn is impressive as Onatopp a really good hench(wo)man who is reminiscent of the May Day character but Famke can act a lot better. I don't like graphic sex scenes in a Bond movie and the Onatopp/Admiral scene was over the top. Natalya was bland as the BG and Moneypenny was irritating. The music is the worst ever - even TMWTGG sounds like a masterpiece compared to this. After TD's brilliant performance as Bond unfortunately this takes a backward step and the movie just lumbers on from scene to scene - at least even the worst of the RM movies were fun to watch but I can never imagine wanting to see this one again.
Brosnan's Bond is perfect for me. How does he not talk as Bond should? His delivery is excellent, as are the little nuances he shows in his reactions; when Onatopp intoduces herself; when he asks her how does she take her vodka martini...and some great quotable dialogue throughout.
Natalya is a fantastic BG. Great acting in the Weapons Control centre when trying to evade Onatopp and escaping from the resulting destruction.
at least even the worst of the RM movies were fun to watch but I can never imagine wanting to see this one again.
Nicely put .... At the time of its release GE may have worked but now it is the worst Bond movie which is probably mostly admired for emotional reasons by those who started watching Bond with it
It's a bungee jump (ho-hum) - Bonds first words are upside down in a toilet where someone is having a dump - Bond "flies" through the air to get to the plane - can it really get any worse?
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
at least even the worst of the RM movies were fun to watch but I can never imagine wanting to see this one again.
Nicely put .... At the time of its release GE may have worked but now it is the worst Bond movie which is probably mostly admired for emotional reasons by those who started watching Bond with it
It certainly is not the worst Bond movie!
"You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
It's a bungee jump (ho-hum) - Bonds first words are upside down in a toilet where someone is having a dump - Bond "flies" through the air to get to the plane - can it really get any worse?
like I've said it multiple times before: out of steel-teethed villains, space lasers or hollowed out volcanoes, people are always picking on the trivial stuff.
"You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
Brosnan's Bond is perfect for me. How does he not talk as Bond should? His delivery is excellent, as are the little nuances he shows in his reactions; when Onatopp intoduces herself; when he asks her how does she take her vodka martini...and some great quotable dialogue throughout.
Natalya is a fantastic BG. Great acting in the Weapons Control centre when trying to evade Onatopp and escaping from the resulting destruction.
And this is why this website is so good - what works for some doesn't work for others - we will have to agree to disagree over this one
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Brosnan's Bond is perfect for me. How does he not talk as Bond should? His delivery is excellent, as are the little nuances he shows in his reactions; when Onatopp intoduces herself; when he asks her how does she take her vodka martini...and some great quotable dialogue throughout.
Natalya is a fantastic BG. Great acting in the Weapons Control centre when trying to evade Onatopp and escaping from the resulting destruction.
And this is why this website is so good - what works for some doesn't work for others - we will have to agree to disagree over this one
Agreed!...fascinating, isn't it ,as you say, what works for one and differs for others... -{
I don't like graphic sex scenes in a Bond movie and the Onatopp/Admiral scene was over the top.
Not my quote guys re. previous posts, but I can see where CHB is coming from. Onatopp is certainly convincing in these scenes. Method acting, one wonders?
From the OTT portrayal of Onatopp to the yawning sleep inducing blandness of Natalya, the film also takes the title of one with the worst set of Bond girls )
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From the OTT portrayal of Onatopp to the yawning sleep inducing blandness of Natalya, the film also takes the title of one with the worst set of Bond girls )
Natalya:
she's supposed to be "bland": she's a computer programer in the middle of nowhere so she might not work as a playmate in her free time; that explains her pitfit and behaviour.
still she's way above average looking (especially if you compare her to her colleagues), because she's the main Bond girl
Xenia:
she's displaying the idependance of women, she's the first real henchwoman who can stand alone (not counting Klebb) and therfore is supposed to be OTT (and that's alricht, hey we're watching Bond). I have no problem or whatsoever with her sexing around.
In the end she's supposed to be somewhat like Bond and the opposite of Natalya.
Oh and please, no one bring up Austin Powers, whenever I read an argument that includes him, I'm shaking my head, because it sickens me that some people try to compare a Bond persiflage to Bond himself.
Cheers
"You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
From the OTT portrayal of Onatopp to the yawning sleep inducing blandness of Natalya, the film also takes the title of one with the worst set of Bond girls )
Natalya:
she's supposed to be "bland": she's a computer programer in the middle of nowhere so she might not work as a playmate in her free time; that explains her pitfit and behaviour.
still she's way above average looking (especially if you compare her to her colleagues), because she's the main Bond girl
Xenia:
she's displaying the idependance of women, she's the first real henchwoman who can stand alone (not counting Klebb) and therfore is supposed to be OTT (and that's alricht, hey we're watching Bond). I have no problem or whatsoever with her sexing around.
In the end she's supposed to be somewhat like Bond and the opposite of Natalya.
Oh and please, no one bring up Austin Powers, whenever I read an argument that includes him, I'm shaking my head, because it sickens me that some people try to compare a Bond persiflage to Bond himself.
Cheers
People know all that .... What is being discussed is beyond all that^
Bond films are neither supposed to be a documentary nor a cartoon. What you are saying suggests that GE characters were either supposed to be from documentary or cartoon .... And then when discussing characters, you bring up the looks .... Being a programmer, Natalya can be bland, but being a BG, she has to look good which acknowledges that there are certain expectations )
In the past, we have had characters that have been played OTT such as Zorin. However, how Onatopp is played is more suited to Austin Power films (when one compares a character from Bond films to a persiflage's, it shows how badly the characters are played)
All I get from your post is a set of conflicting points which only strengthen the case against GE:
* A character is supposed to be bland because of her occupation. But then she has to look good to be acceptable as BG
* A woman character that can stand up to Bond has to be OTT, when Bond is not really OTT (Appears as if you forgot how Fiona's character was played in TB)
* You shake your head when Bond's characters are compared to ones in movies such as Austin Powers but appreciate it when such characters show up on Bond films
I look forward to CHB's review of TND. I wonder where it'll place in his new ranking.
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Comments
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
Astrology is mainly used to predict and not to prove theories
Not to mention the tie straightening!... :007)
Of course, how could I have neglected that!
Pros:
DB5 is back.
Q scene - DL is obviously enjoying his part in this one.
Bond discovering Alec is still alive.
Villain's lair is good.
General Ouromov - Onatopp
Cons:
PTS
Title song - Titles - Music
DB5/Ferrari chase with evaluation inserts
Onatopp/Admiral sex scene too graphic for a Bond movie
Tank chase - statue on tank is as ridiculous as the MR gondola hovercraft scene
Jack Wade
Observations:
We have a new Bond, M and Moneypenny. Basic plot of laser from space mimics DAF. We learn of how Bond became an orphan.
Conclusion:
Reviewing this has only confirmed that in my opinion PB does not make a good Bond in fact he is the only actor I cannot actually believe IS Bond. He looks too pretty - he doesn't talk as Bond should - his quips are lame (that's down to the script I know) but his delivery is awful. Having Joe Don Baker back in another major role is poor as his acting is rudimentary to say the least. The jury is out on Judi Dench as M, I'm not that impressed to be fair but there are signs that she may grow into the role. Ouromov is a good character and Famke Jansenn is impressive as Onatopp a really good hench(wo)man who is reminiscent of the May Day character but Famke can act a lot better. I don't like graphic sex scenes in a Bond movie and the Onatopp/Admiral scene was over the top. Natalya was bland as the BG and Moneypenny was irritating. The music is the worst ever - even TMWTGG sounds like a masterpiece compared to this. After TD's brilliant performance as Bond unfortunately this takes a backward step and the movie just lumbers on from scene to scene - at least even the worst of the RM movies were fun to watch but I can never imagine wanting to see this one again.
what's wrong with the PTS?
Brosnan's Bond is perfect for me. How does he not talk as Bond should? His delivery is excellent, as are the little nuances he shows in his reactions; when Onatopp intoduces herself; when he asks her how does she take her vodka martini...and some great quotable dialogue throughout.
Natalya is a fantastic BG. Great acting in the Weapons Control centre when trying to evade Onatopp and escaping from the resulting destruction.
Nicely put .... At the time of its release GE may have worked but now it is the worst Bond movie which is probably mostly admired for emotional reasons by those who started watching Bond with it
It's a bungee jump (ho-hum) - Bonds first words are upside down in a toilet where someone is having a dump - Bond "flies" through the air to get to the plane - can it really get any worse?
It certainly is not the worst Bond movie!
The movie is crude with jokes such as these:
like I've said it multiple times before: out of steel-teethed villains, space lasers or hollowed out volcanoes, people are always picking on the trivial stuff.
what do you think about Pussy Galore's name then?
And this is why this website is so good - what works for some doesn't work for others - we will have to agree to disagree over this one
what is being discussed is the crudeness of the scene
GE is a crude film with crudeness passed on as humor 8-)
and it has crude singing too
PTS had to show someone doing his business too
Agreed!...fascinating, isn't it ,as you say, what works for one and differs for others... -{
Not my quote guys re. previous posts, but I can see where CHB is coming from. Onatopp is certainly convincing in these scenes. Method acting, one wonders?
That always makes me laugh
Go on then...explain the crudeness of the scene for me...if you can -{
A pic = a 1000 words
strong argument
It is
Natalya:
she's supposed to be "bland": she's a computer programer in the middle of nowhere so she might not work as a playmate in her free time; that explains her pitfit and behaviour.
still she's way above average looking (especially if you compare her to her colleagues), because she's the main Bond girl
Xenia:
she's displaying the idependance of women, she's the first real henchwoman who can stand alone (not counting Klebb) and therfore is supposed to be OTT (and that's alricht, hey we're watching Bond). I have no problem or whatsoever with her sexing around.
In the end she's supposed to be somewhat like Bond and the opposite of Natalya.
Oh and please, no one bring up Austin Powers, whenever I read an argument that includes him, I'm shaking my head, because it sickens me that some people try to compare a Bond persiflage to Bond himself.
Cheers
People know all that .... What is being discussed is beyond all that^
Bond films are neither supposed to be a documentary nor a cartoon. What you are saying suggests that GE characters were either supposed to be from documentary or cartoon .... And then when discussing characters, you bring up the looks .... Being a programmer, Natalya can be bland, but being a BG, she has to look good which acknowledges that there are certain expectations
In the past, we have had characters that have been played OTT such as Zorin. However, how Onatopp is played is more suited to Austin Power films (when one compares a character from Bond films to a persiflage's, it shows how badly the characters are played)
All I get from your post is a set of conflicting points which only strengthen the case against GE:
* A character is supposed to be bland because of her occupation. But then she has to look good to be acceptable as BG
* A woman character that can stand up to Bond has to be OTT, when Bond is not really OTT (Appears as if you forgot how Fiona's character was played in TB)
* You shake your head when Bond's characters are compared to ones in movies such as Austin Powers but appreciate it when such characters show up on Bond films
Thank you! {[]
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later