Pros and Cons: Goldeneye

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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    herbie123 wrote:
    I watched the film earlier today, and I enjoyed it. It is one of the films that a couple of years ago I avoided watching, but nowadays I find it creeping up my list.Is the Bros film that I enjoy the most, and is now in my top 10

    Sweet.
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  • The Wicker ManThe Wicker Man EnglandPosts: 434MI6 Agent
    Yes it is my favourite Brosnan Bond film as well. -{
    1.ohmss 2.cr 3.frwl 4.ltk 5.gf 6.tswlm 7.sf 8.op 9.tld 10.dn 11.lald 12.tb 13.fyeo 14.ge 15.mr 16.yolt 17.tnd 18.avtak 19.sp 20.twine 21.qos 22.tmwtgg 23.daf 24.dad
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    Yes it is my favourite Brosnan Bond film as well. -{

    Same here.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I can still remember the excitement of leaving the cinema after so many
    Years of waiting ( long popcorn line ;) ) after LTK, and to see they had
    Done such a good job. -{
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    am747 wrote:
    "IBM" computers remind us that the film is over 20 years old now

    Pretty nitpicky! How about PanAm in the earlier ones?!
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    edited November 2015
    am747 wrote:
    "IBM" computers remind us that the film is over 20 years old now

    Pretty nitpicky! How about PanAm in the earlier ones?!

    That is an expression used to imply that for some reason watching the film felt like watching say Arnold Schwarzenegger's Commando (which was made in 80's if I m not wrong and probably was impressive then) :p

    I revisited both GE and OHMSS on the same day. OHMSS despite being made in the 60's, continues to blow me away -{ (say like Arnold's T2 which still looks great)
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
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    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
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  • Robbo88Robbo88 Newcastle, England.Posts: 253MI6 Agent
    The way Brosnan catches the blokes reflection in the brass object on the ship and he dispatches him before the guy knows what hit him. Down those stairs my man :D.
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  • Willard WhyteWillard Whyte Posts: 166MI6 Agent
    Pros

    Epic pre credits
    Famke Jansen, one of the best Bond girls ever
    Sean Bean
    Great scenes, like when they fire up the Goldeneye "I'm timing you".
    Car race with Jansen early in the film.

    Cons

    Boris, got on my nads
    Music was very euro pop because of Serra.
    "Get me a pint line" Bond does not drink pints.
    Bond taking rollickings off a Woman M


    Great film
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    While I love GE, what keeps me from ranking it higher is that, imo, it's Brozzer's least strong performance as Bond. I still think he's excellent in it, but for me it's really in his next 3 that he outdoes himself in the role (I give him an A average in GE and A plus grades in his other films).

    It's still a 10/10 for me though, and I could watch it again and again.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    While I love GE, what keeps me from ranking it higher is that, imo, it's Brozzer's least strong performance as Bond. I still think he's excellent in it, but for me it's really in his next 3 that he outdoes himself in the role (I give him an A average in GE and A plus grades in his other films).

    It's still a 10/10 for me though, and I could watch it again and again.

    When it comes to performances of actors as Bond, the deviation from the mean is negligible. So the performance of the actor, ideally, should not impact a film's ratings :)
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    edited November 2015
    am747 wrote:
    While I love GE, what keeps me from ranking it higher is that, imo, it's Brozzer's least strong performance as Bond. I still think he's excellent in it, but for me it's really in his next 3 that he outdoes himself in the role (I give him an A average in GE and A plus grades in his other films).

    It's still a 10/10 for me though, and I could watch it again and again.

    When it comes to performances of actors as Bond, the deviation from the mean is negligible. So the performance of the actor, ideally, should not impact a film's ratings :)

    It does for me, but we all do things differently (those of us who rank the films anyway).

    I'd like DAF more if I liked Connery's performance in it more.

    I know you tend to favor the older films, but we all rank differently. That's part of the beauty of Bond fandom, isn't it?
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    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • GrindelwaldGrindelwald Posts: 1,341MI6 Agent
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    20 today -{ {[]

    Sweet!!! {[]
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    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • GrindelwaldGrindelwald Posts: 1,341MI6 Agent
    edited November 2015
    I agree re : blu rays picture......it's like they didn't bother to upgrade from the DVDs pq 8-)

    I saw it yesterday and give it 5/6.

    Soundtrack is generic although the music during 007 vs Alec is pretty good....not on the level as John Barry but still.
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    ^ out of 6?

    Are you able to explain your method? :)
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    edited November 2015
    After my latest viewing, here's a new list of Pros and Cons:

    Pros:

    -Solid direction from Campbell.
    -Brosnan's debut performance is excellent.
    -The dialogue is generally quite memorable. This is arguably one of the most quotable Bond films.
    -Judy Dench's debut performance as M is quite impressive.
    -Natalya is a likeable Bond Girl.
    -Cumming is quite memorable as Boris.
    -The score is entertaining.
    -Famke Janssen is believable as Xenia.
    -Great action.
    -Robbie Coltrane rocks as Zukovsky.

    Cons:

    -Brosnan still isn't in top form, despite his excellent performance. He will hit top form in TND.
    -Although Trevelyan is a good villain, he seems to be missing something.

    Overall, I love GE, and give it a 9/10.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    edited December 2015
    Am I alone in thinking that Bean gave a one-note performance as Treveyan (I feel that way after my last viewing)?

    Bean is a talented actor, no question about that, but perhaps he could've been used a bit better.

    I need to see more movies with him, any suggestions?

    I know he was in LotR.
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    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    I think his performance was spot-on. On the one hand, he was a gentleman just like Bond (e.g. fine clothing, good appearance in general); and on the other hand he was an evil mastermind and insane.
    he's certainly up there with C.Walken as my favourite villain!

    P.S.: he's in "National Treasure" with N.Cage, but it's not such a good movie anyway
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Am I alone in thinking that Bean gave a one-note performance as Treveyan (I feel that way after my last viewing)?

    Bean is a talented actor, no question about that, but perhaps he could've been used a bit better.

    I need to see more movies with him, any suggestions?

    I know he was in LotR.

    Unfortunately, the week I saw Goldeneye I saw his arse go up and down in Lady Chatterly's lover with Joely Richardson. Which spoilt Goldeneye for me.

    He's a RADA graduate and has been in Ronin, Caravaggio, Sharpe (I don't know if that ocurred in America), Accused, Henry VIII and Odysseus in Troy

    A very talented actor. I'd say his Boromir is one of the highlights of LoTr
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    Am I alone in thinking that Bean gave a one-note performance as Treveyan (I feel that way after my last viewing)?
    Bean is a talented actor, no question about that, but perhaps he could've been used a bit better.

    Nope, I find him overrated. I don't like his character or his performance in GE.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    edited December 2015
    I think I might prefer Graves to Trevelyan these days as far as the Brosnan BVs go.

    I still put Elektra at the bottom of those 4 though. I just find Marceau's performance unconvincing. She's my main issue with TWINE.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    Am I alone in thinking that Bean gave a one-note performance as Treveyan (I feel that way after my last viewing)?

    Bean is a talented actor, no question about that, but perhaps he could've been used a bit better.

    I need to see more movies with him, any suggestions?

    I know he was in LotR.

    Unfortunately, the week I saw Goldeneye I saw his arse go up and down in Lady Chatterly's lover with Joely Richardson. Which spoilt Goldeneye for me.

    He's a RADA graduate and has been in Ronin, Caravaggio, Sharpe (I don't know if that ocurred in America), Accused, Henry VIII and Odysseus in Troy

    A very talented actor. I'd say his Boromir is one of the highlights of LoTr

    He was also quite good in the first season of HBO's Game of Thrones.
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  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    Bean was good in Patriot Games as well
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    I thought he was alright in The Island...
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    New list of Pros and Cons:

    Pros:

    -Brosnan gives an excellent debut performance.
    -The dialogue is very solid.
    -Coltrane is great as Zukovsky.
    -Great action scenes.
    -Alan Cumming is entertaining as Boris.
    -Great pacing.

    Cons:

    -Natalya is an okay Bond Girl, but I'm not as big a fan of hers as I used to be.
    -Although I don't really hate Eric Serra's score, it can get tiresome.
    -Xenia is a bit too OTT at times.
    -Although Bean had the acting skills, his performance as Trevelyan feels somewhat one-note.

    Overall, I like GE, and give it an 8/10.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    edited December 2015
    @ Agent Purple, it appears that you have re-watched a lot of Bond films recently .... Are there any updates to your ranking?

    PS When do you plan to include SP to your ranking?
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    Yes, GE fell outside my Top 10. I updated the ranking in my signature.

    There's just something I don't like in Campbell's Bond films.

    I used to love GE in particular, but it's grown off a bit.

    Never was the biggest fan of CR, but it doesn't blow me away like it does for others.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    As for SP, I'll include it once I've seen it again. I've only seen it once.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    Yes, GE fell outside my Top 10. I updated the ranking in my signature.

    There's just something I don't like in Campbell's Bond films.

    I used to love GE in particular, but it's grown off a bit.

    Never was the biggest fan of CR, but it doesn't blow me away like it does for others.

    Similar case .... Used to love GE earlier. But now the only silver lining for me is that it introduced Brosnan who did well in the film .... CR is still fine. But how Vesper is played appears weird to me for some reason. Overall, I still like CR esp. the part in Bahamas and Craig's performance
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