I guess my issue with Campbell, and this might sound harsh, is that I find his Bond films somewhat soulless. They seem to be missing that special touch for me.
Just my opinion, though.
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
I guess my issue with Campbell, and this might sound harsh, is that I find his Bond films somewhat souless. They seem to be missing that special touch for me.
Just my opinion, though.
I agree. His films have some good / great parts but overall you end up feeling that something is missing relative to other Bond films
I guess my issue with Campbell, and this might sound harsh, is that I find his Bond films somewhat souless. They seem to be missing that special touch for me.
Just my opinion, though.
I agree. His films have some good / great parts but overall you end up feeling that something is missing relative to other Bond films
I have the opposite opinion. They have a special something lacking in all other post-Cubby films.
I guess my issue with Campbell, and this might sound harsh, is that I find his Bond films somewhat soulless. They seem to be missing that special touch for me.
Just my opinion, though.
I've always thought the same. CR has a little more soul than GE, but still not enough.
I guess my issue with Campbell, and this might sound harsh, is that I find his Bond films somewhat souless. They seem to be missing that special touch for me.
Just my opinion, though.
I agree. His films have some good / great parts but overall you end up feeling that something is missing relative to other Bond films
I agree about GE. There barely any interaction
But Casino Royale? Really?
We took my Bond hating cousin to see it and she fell in love with it. It was Vesper and Bond. I happen to know she saw it twice taking some girlfriends to see it
1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
I guess my issue with Campbell, and this might sound harsh, is that I find his Bond films somewhat souless. They seem to be missing that special touch for me.
Just my opinion, though.
I agree. His films have some good / great parts but overall you end up feeling that something is missing relative to other Bond films
I agree about GE. There barely any interaction
But Casino Royale? Really?
We took my Bond hating cousin to see it and she fell in love with it. It was Vesper and Bond. I happen to know she saw it twice taking some girlfriends to see it
"Bond hating cousin loved it" probably explains what many of us are trying to say about Campbell's 007 films
I agree. His films have some good / great parts but overall you end up feeling that something is missing relative to other Bond films
I agree about GE. There barely any interaction
But Casino Royale? Really?
We took my Bond hating cousin to see it and she fell in love with it. It was Vesper and Bond. I happen to know she saw it twice taking some girlfriends to see it
"Bond hating cousin loved it" probably explains what many of us are trying to say about Campbell's 007 films
No, strangely enough it was the Moore films which done it ( am quite old you know). She used to tut when AVTAK came on telly.
But I am sure I spotted Casino Royale sitting on her mantelpiece the last time I went round?
1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
I guess my issue with Campbell, and this might sound harsh, is that I find his Bond films somewhat souless. They seem to be missing that special touch for me.
Just my opinion, though.
I agree. His films have some good / great parts but overall you end up feeling that something is missing relative to other Bond films
I have the opposite opinion. They have a special something lacking in all other post-Cubby films.
I find Mendes films missing that something
Note that GE can be termed as post-Cubby too as he is credited as a consultant iirc. So he was not actively involved with it
We took my Bond hating cousin to see it and she fell in love with it. It was Vesper and Bond. I happen to know she saw it twice taking some girlfriends to see it
"Bond hating cousin loved it" probably explains what many of us are trying to say about Campbell's 007 films
No, strangely enough it was the Moore films which done it ( am quite old you know). She used to tut when AVTAK came on telly.
But I am sure I spotted Casino Royale sitting on her mantelpiece the last time I went round?
In the past Campbell would've made my Top 5 Bond directors.
Now he sits outside that club.
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
* Will be relatively raw or crude or both
* Will have weird BGs. Many of them would be trying to control / influence Bond. Some of them could well have just been discharged from a mental asylum
* BV's are basically after money (to align with the raw or basic theme of the film)
* Bond suffers from betrayal or is double-crossed
* Films will have a couple of entertaining sequences that will not make you write them off immediately upon their release
* Films will be seen as different by many on its release (because of elements listed) and achieve big success at the BO
* Casual Bond fans or those who do not like Moore's campy films will appreciate them (while films such as SP could be bashed)
* As time passes, you being to wonder if they have aged well or is it something wrong with you for thinking that they do not appear that good anymore
* After re-watching them over time, you realize they have definitely not aged well. You go ) at the films and yourself for rating them too high earlier and picking them over some of the classic Bonds
* Will be relatively raw or crude or both
* Will have weird BGs. Many of them would be trying to control Bond. Some of them could well have just been discharged from a mental asylum
* BV's are basically after money (to align with the raw or basic theme of the film)
* Bond suffers from betrayal or is double-crossed
* Films will have a couple of entertaining sequences that will not make you write them off immediately upon its release
* Films will be seen as different by many on its release and achieve big success at the BO
* Casual Bond fans or those who do not like Moore's campy films will appreciate them (while films such as SP could be bashed)
* As time passes, you being to wonder if they have aged well
* After re-watching them over time, you realize they have not aged well. You go ) at the films and yourself for rating them too high earlier and picking them over some of the classic Bonds
not trying to offend you, but I think this list is a bit redundant (sorry )
Campbell only did two films, so you can't nail him down to your points plus he merely works with what the screenwriters give him. the two films are very popular amongst the fan base and are IMO very colourful, too.
plus, some of your points mentioned aren't even negative
"You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
* Will be relatively raw or crude or both
* Will have weird BGs. Many of them would be trying to control Bond. Some of them could well have just been discharged from a mental asylum
* BV's are basically after money (to align with the raw or basic theme of the film)
* Bond suffers from betrayal or is double-crossed
* Films will have a couple of entertaining sequences that will not make you write them off immediately upon its release
* Films will be seen as different by many on its release and achieve big success at the BO
* Casual Bond fans or those who do not like Moore's campy films will appreciate them (while films such as SP could be bashed)
* As time passes, you being to wonder if they have aged well
* After re-watching them over time, you realize they have not aged well. You go ) at the films and yourself for rating them too high earlier and picking them over some of the classic Bonds
not trying to offend you, but I think this list is a bit redundant (sorry )
Campbell only did two films, so you can't nail him down to your points plus he merely works with what the screenwriters give him. the two films are very popular amongst the fan base and are IMO very colourful, too.
plus, some of your points mentioned aren't even negative
I just listed some common elements of those films and how many fans could react over time ) .... There are no pros or cons listed except that the films don't age well
No more Campbell please. .... Also BGs tend to be weird in his films )
You don't like Naomi Campbell
Pesci : It's the "Joe Pesci Show"! Alright, I'm gonna bring out my first guest. He's a good friend of mine, I think you all know him very well. Please welcome, the one and only, Mr. Robert DeNiro! [ Robert DeNiro walks out and sits upon the couch ] Folks, this man, he is the King! I mean, he was in everything, come on - "Raging Bull", "Goodfellas", "Casino".. Naomi Campbell..
Robert DeNiro: Joey, be nice - people are watching. This guy!
No more Campbell please. .... Also BGs tend to be weird in his films )
You don't like Naomi Campbell
Pesci : It's the "Joe Pesci Show"! Alright, I'm gonna bring out my first guest. He's a good friend of mine, I think you all know him very well. Please welcome, the one and only, Mr. Robert DeNiro! [ Robert DeNiro walks out and sits upon the couch ] Folks, this man, he is the King! I mean, he was in everything, come on - "Raging Bull", "Goodfellas", "Casino".. Naomi Campbell..
Robert DeNiro: Joey, be nice - people are watching. This guy!
- PTS, Title song, Kleinmann's title-sequence
- Ferrari 355 :x and Monte Carlo casino scenes
- Scenes with Judi Dench, Tanner, Moneypenny
- Ourumov, Mishkin
- Cuba scenes with Natalya
- Absolutely beautiful Izabella Scorupco
- Serra's score
- Quality production design, cinematography - overall the film feels good
- Special effects are clearly mid-90s style, but still well done
- Coltrane as Zurkovsky - very funny
- Jack Wade
- BMW Z3 is beautiful, although underused
- Q's gadget scenes - "That's my lunch!"
- Final fight with Trevelyan
- Romance at the end is sweet, I like "Experience of Love" too
- Some of Pierce's scenes are well acted
Cons:
- Some scenes drag, especially in the beginning. Far too long is spent on plot set-up.
- After laborious set-up, the plot is weak - even Bond calls on the petty nature of it!
- Trevelyan is a weak villian
- Onatopp and Boris haven't held up well over time - they're 90s gags
- St Petersberg chase with the tank is silly and it drags
- Much of the film seems to be apologising for the films and Bond character previous to it - "relic", "silence the screams" etc.
- Other than the PTS and the Ferrari chase, the action sequences that follow aren't very good
- They way they've written Bond can seem a bit pedestrian - limit's PB's ability to own it yet.
Observations:
The Canadian admiral - what's going on there? Who is getting into the launch ceremony looking exactly the same while the admiral is in the closet?
The last of some of the sound effects that had been used since TSWLM appear in this - the metal creaking noise.
BluRay:
Slightly dull looking, but I think this is more down to the nature of the film. Still very clear.
Overall:
I've not really been so bothered by the plot as I was on this viewing. Once you get the reveal of what's going on it all feels a bit "meh". Mission guidance and point of what Bond is up to comes too late in the piece and the film never totally feels like it really gets going until its 20 mins away from being done.
Unlike other Bonds which do the personal elements, this one just doesn't do it for me on that level. The formula is all there, but it is almost as if they were confused to go full-tilt with it or apologise and recognise it was the 90s. The pacing isn't totally correct either - the 2nd act drags at times.
Despite throwing in some pretty big cons, I still love GE because there is something like a "diamond in the rough" underneath it all. They've been given the keys to the car (the new team and older team) and aren't completely running with it yet. Pierce hasn't hit his straps either.
It certainly has flaws, but it still feels very special -{
- PTS, Title song, Kleinmann's title-sequence
- Ferrari 355 :x and Monte Carlo casino scenes
- Scenes with Judi Dench, Tanner, Moneypenny
- Ourumov, Mishkin
- Cuba scenes with Natalya
- Absolutely beautiful Izabella Scorupco
- Serra's score
- Quality production design, cinematography - overall the film feels good
- Special effects are clearly mid-90s style, but still well done
- Coltrane as Zurkovsky - very funny
- Jack Wade
- BMW Z3 is beautiful, although underused
- Q's gadget scenes - "That's my lunch!"
- Final fight with Trevelyan
- Romance at the end is sweet, I like "Experience of Love" too
- Some of Pierce's scenes are well acted
Cons:
- Some scenes drag, especially in the beginning. Far too long is spent on plot set-up.
- After laborious set-up, the plot is weak - even Bond calls on the petty nature of it!
- Trevelyan is a weak villian
- Onatopp and Boris haven't held up well over time - they're 90s gags
- St Petersberg chase with the tank is silly and it drags
- Much of the film seems to be apologising for the films and Bond character previous to it - "relic", "silence the screams" etc.
- Other than the PTS and the Ferrari chase, the action sequences that follow aren't very good
- They way they've written Bond can seem a bit pedestrian - limit's PB's ability to own it yet.
Observations:
The Canadian admiral - what's going on there? Who is getting into the launch ceremony looking exactly the same while the admiral is in the closet?
The last of some of the sound effects that had been used since TSWLM appear in this - the metal creaking noise.
BluRay:
Slightly dull looking, but I think this is more down to the nature of the film. Still very clear.
Overall:
I've not really been so bothered by the plot as I was on this viewing. Once you get the reveal of what's going on it all feels a bit "meh". Mission guidance and point of what Bond is up to comes too late in the piece and the film never totally feels like it really gets going until its 20 mins away from being done.
Unlike other Bonds which do the personal elements, this one just doesn't do it for me on that level. The formula is all there, but it is almost as if they were confused to go full-tilt with it or apologise and recognise it was the 90s. The pacing isn't totally correct either - the 2nd act drags at times.
Despite throwing in some pretty big cons, I still love GE because there is something like a "diamond in the rough" underneath it all. They've been given the keys to the car (the new team and older team) and aren't completely running with it yet. Pierce hasn't hit his straps either.
It certainly has flaws, but it still feels very special -{
the person posing as the General is...Trevelyan. You can spot his Omega-leather bracelet
"You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
my guess is that they used the real actor for this scene because:
1) it is easier than putting Sean Bean through extensive make-up for a sideview only
2) the general viewership wouldn't notice it anyway
"You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
GE is at the bottom in my current ranking. ... The positive is that it can only go up
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I really enjoyed GE from beginning to end. It was very exciting to have Bond back.
The biggest 'con' for me is the score. Eric Serra's techno take left me cold; it's my least favourite of the entire series.
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I don't hate Serra's score, but it can get tedious after a while.
It was good that he never again did a Bond score.
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Comments
Just my opinion, though.
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
I agree. His films have some good / great parts but overall you end up feeling that something is missing relative to other Bond films
I have the opposite opinion. They have a special something lacking in all other post-Cubby films.
I find Mendes films missing that something
I've always thought the same. CR has a little more soul than GE, but still not enough.
I agree about GE. There barely any interaction
But Casino Royale? Really?
We took my Bond hating cousin to see it and she fell in love with it. It was Vesper and Bond. I happen to know she saw it twice taking some girlfriends to see it
"Bond hating cousin loved it" probably explains what many of us are trying to say about Campbell's 007 films
No, strangely enough it was the Moore films which done it ( am quite old you know). She used to tut when AVTAK came on telly.
But I am sure I spotted Casino Royale sitting on her mantelpiece the last time I went round?
Note that GE can be termed as post-Cubby too as he is credited as a consultant iirc. So he was not actively involved with it
May be it is just AVTAK
but hot
Now he sits outside that club.
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
* Will be relatively raw or crude or both
* Will have weird BGs. Many of them would be trying to control / influence Bond. Some of them could well have just been discharged from a mental asylum
* BV's are basically after money (to align with the raw or basic theme of the film)
* Bond suffers from betrayal or is double-crossed
* Films will have a couple of entertaining sequences that will not make you write them off immediately upon their release
* Films will be seen as different by many on its release (because of elements listed) and achieve big success at the BO
* Casual Bond fans or those who do not like Moore's campy films will appreciate them (while films such as SP could be bashed)
* As time passes, you being to wonder if they have aged well or is it something wrong with you for thinking that they do not appear that good anymore
* After re-watching them over time, you realize they have definitely not aged well. You go
not trying to offend you, but I think this list is a bit redundant (sorry
Campbell only did two films, so you can't nail him down to your points plus he merely works with what the screenwriters give him. the two films are very popular amongst the fan base and are IMO very colourful, too.
plus, some of your points mentioned aren't even negative
I just listed some common elements of those films and how many fans could react over time
That's how I feel about CR in particular. Spot on.
"Better make that two."
You don't like Naomi Campbell
Pesci : It's the "Joe Pesci Show"! Alright, I'm gonna bring out my first guest. He's a good friend of mine, I think you all know him very well. Please welcome, the one and only, Mr. Robert DeNiro! [ Robert DeNiro walks out and sits upon the couch ] Folks, this man, he is the King! I mean, he was in everything, come on - "Raging Bull", "Goodfellas", "Casino".. Naomi Campbell..
Robert DeNiro: Joey, be nice - people are watching. This guy!
i was referring to Neve
Pros:
- PTS, Title song, Kleinmann's title-sequence
- Ferrari 355 :x and Monte Carlo casino scenes
- Scenes with Judi Dench, Tanner, Moneypenny
- Ourumov, Mishkin
- Cuba scenes with Natalya
- Absolutely beautiful Izabella Scorupco
- Serra's score
- Quality production design, cinematography - overall the film feels good
- Special effects are clearly mid-90s style, but still well done
- Coltrane as Zurkovsky - very funny
- Jack Wade
- BMW Z3 is beautiful, although underused
- Q's gadget scenes - "That's my lunch!"
- Final fight with Trevelyan
- Romance at the end is sweet, I like "Experience of Love" too
- Some of Pierce's scenes are well acted
Cons:
- Some scenes drag, especially in the beginning. Far too long is spent on plot set-up.
- After laborious set-up, the plot is weak - even Bond calls on the petty nature of it!
- Trevelyan is a weak villian
- Onatopp and Boris haven't held up well over time - they're 90s gags
- St Petersberg chase with the tank is silly and it drags
- Much of the film seems to be apologising for the films and Bond character previous to it - "relic", "silence the screams" etc.
- Other than the PTS and the Ferrari chase, the action sequences that follow aren't very good
- They way they've written Bond can seem a bit pedestrian - limit's PB's ability to own it yet.
Observations:
The Canadian admiral - what's going on there? Who is getting into the launch ceremony looking exactly the same while the admiral is in the closet?
The last of some of the sound effects that had been used since TSWLM appear in this - the metal creaking noise.
BluRay:
Slightly dull looking, but I think this is more down to the nature of the film. Still very clear.
Overall:
I've not really been so bothered by the plot as I was on this viewing. Once you get the reveal of what's going on it all feels a bit "meh". Mission guidance and point of what Bond is up to comes too late in the piece and the film never totally feels like it really gets going until its 20 mins away from being done.
Unlike other Bonds which do the personal elements, this one just doesn't do it for me on that level. The formula is all there, but it is almost as if they were confused to go full-tilt with it or apologise and recognise it was the 90s. The pacing isn't totally correct either - the 2nd act drags at times.
Despite throwing in some pretty big cons, I still love GE because there is something like a "diamond in the rough" underneath it all. They've been given the keys to the car (the new team and older team) and aren't completely running with it yet. Pierce hasn't hit his straps either.
It certainly has flaws, but it still feels very special -{
"Better make that two."
the person posing as the General is...Trevelyan. You can spot his Omega-leather bracelet
Right, but the scene where the man checks the ID card and left of the screen is the admiral looking exactly like the admiral...
"Better make that two."
1) it is easier than putting Sean Bean through extensive make-up for a sideview only
2) the general viewership wouldn't notice it anyway
The biggest 'con' for me is the score. Eric Serra's techno take left me cold; it's my least favourite of the entire series.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
It was good that he never again did a Bond score.
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later