Spectre Wardrobe(from filming)

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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,616MI6 Agent
    IanT wrote:
    welshboy78 wrote:
    Yes Skyfall had more accessible clothes that are nowhere near the level of TF, BC etc in terms of cost e.g. Levis, Billy Reid & Barbour that allowed a huge number of Bond fans to finally purchase and wear some major screen time clothes. (don't get me wrong still expensive but peanuts in comparison)

    If DC has finished its sure going to be interesting which direction the wardrobe goes (especially with regards to Tom Ford. I'm sure many here would like to see the back of this brand since it's not simply limited to Bond's suits anymore)

    I too would like to see the end of Tom Ford and a return to affordability as seen in Casino Royale. Nice gear but a bit more affordable.
    I think Casino Royale and Skyfall had the perfect blend of luxury goods and more affordable items that fit the character. Quantum of Solace had a perfect wardrobe too even though it was a clear domination by Tom Ford. Spectre it got kind of out of hand. I know Bond has a dash of unattainable and wears "the best" but its easier to picture Bond shopping at N.Peal or Barbour then Dior or Matchless.

    The Tom Ford copies save the production money whilst costing the fans more. The Dior jacket was just absurd since it was overpriced and not from the type of quality brand Bond should be getting his clothes from. But this has been a problem through all of Craig's films, back to the Armani leather jacket in Casino Royale (though that film was reasonable for the most part).
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  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,416MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    IanT wrote:

    I too would like to see the end of Tom Ford and a return to affordability as seen in Casino Royale. Nice gear but a bit more affordable.
    I think Casino Royale and Skyfall had the perfect blend of luxury goods and more affordable items that fit the character. Quantum of Solace had a perfect wardrobe too even though it was a clear domination by Tom Ford. Spectre it got kind of out of hand. I know Bond has a dash of unattainable and wears "the best" but its easier to picture Bond shopping at N.Peal or Barbour then Dior or Matchless.

    The Tom Ford copies save the production money whilst costing the fans more. The Dior jacket was just absurd since it was overpriced and not from the type of quality brand Bond should be getting his clothes from. But this has been a problem through all of Craig's films, back to the Armani leather jacket in Casino Royale (though that film was reasonable for the most part).
    Which of the Craig Bond films wardrobe choices and brands best represented the character do you think? I think Skyfall because there was an abundance of English brands like N.Peal, John Smedley, and Barbour. And I liked that Tom Ford only made the suits, shirts ,ties, etc. in SF compared to more brand domination in QOS and SP.
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,326MI6 Agent
    Then again - I guess in some cases the viewer maybe is not supposed to know what the actual brand is and they have maybe just hunted out a designer item that looks good e.g. the Dior which was only eventually identified by the skin of our teeth after endless searches.

    It would be cool to know more about the stories and selection process behind the clothes e.g. was that Navy TF jacket going to be the Mr White jacket until a Dior was spotted etc

    I vaguely remember being told Tom Ford were really trying too push the shoes and other items for Bond to wear also
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,616MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    I think Casino Royale and Skyfall had the perfect blend of luxury goods and more affordable items that fit the character. Quantum of Solace had a perfect wardrobe too even though it was a clear domination by Tom Ford. Spectre it got kind of out of hand. I know Bond has a dash of unattainable and wears "the best" but its easier to picture Bond shopping at N.Peal or Barbour then Dior or Matchless.

    The Tom Ford copies save the production money whilst costing the fans more. The Dior jacket was just absurd since it was overpriced and not from the type of quality brand Bond should be getting his clothes from. But this has been a problem through all of Craig's films, back to the Armani leather jacket in Casino Royale (though that film was reasonable for the most part).
    Which of the Craig Bond films wardrobe choices and brands best represented the character do you think? I think Skyfall because there was an abundance of English brands like N.Peal, John Smedley, and Barbour. And I liked that Tom Ford only made the suits, shirts ,ties, etc. in SF compared to more brand domination in QOS and SP.

    I agree that the brand choices in Skyfall are excellent. I have a problem with the "enjoying death" clothes, but if those were cheap clothes available in Turkey I can deal with it. Billy Reid is a strange brand for Bond to wear, but it's in the right price range.
    welshboy78 wrote:
    It would be cool to know more about the stories and selection process behind the clothes e.g. was that Navy TF jacket going to be the Mr White jacket until a Dior was spotted etc

    The Dior jacket has the right look for Bond. It doesn't look like the expensive jacket that it is, though Dior also has a larger markup than other clothes of the same quality. I would question if Bond is dressed warm enough. The jacket is probably okay, but the trousers really don't look warm enough.
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,326MI6 Agent
    Matt I would say your correct about the trousers (not the kind you would hike through snow or boat in). Also I dont think he would be wearing those CJ Boots either. The Jacket is pretty warm as I am wearing mine in our recent snow / winter period!!
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,616MI6 Agent
    welshboy78 wrote:
    Matt I would say your correct about the trousers (not the kind you would hike through snow or boat in). Also I dont think he would be wearing those CJ Boots either. The Jacket is pretty warm as I am wearing mine in our recent snow / winter period!!

    You can actually spot him wearing Danner boots in the snow there.
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,326MI6 Agent
    Indeed. Wonder which pair he is supposed to be wearing since clearly CJs in the house
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  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,416MI6 Agent
    Another thing that I didn't like that much about the Spectre wardrobe is that there were so few single items worn consistently throughout the film that weren't footwear related. Can only think of the Dents gloves worn in Italy and London and the Neil Barret pants. Its a small detail that makes Bond feel more authentic and real world to me. For instance, how he wore the Churches Ryders for most of QOS or wearing the same TF overcoat throughout SF. It gives the illusion of a consistent wardrobe opposed to a costume change. Not sure anyone else feels the same?
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,326MI6 Agent
    Another thing that I didn't like that much about the Spectre wardrobe is that there were so few single items worn consistently throughout the film that weren't footwear related. Can only think of the Dents gloves worn in Italy and London and the Neil Barret pants. Its a small detail that makes Bond feel more authentic and real world to me. For instance, how he wore the Churches Ryders for most of QOS or wearing the same TF overcoat throughout SF. It gives the illusion of a consistent wardrobe opposed to a costume change. Not sure anyone else feels the same?

    Brunello Chino's I guess were two outfits and poss Danners but not sure if they were supposed to be seen at Mr Whites
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  • James BrosnanJames Brosnan Posts: 865MI6 Agent
    welshboy78 wrote:
    Another thing that I didn't like that much about the Spectre wardrobe is that there were so few single items worn consistently throughout the film that weren't footwear related. Can only think of the Dents gloves worn in Italy and London and the Neil Barret pants. Its a small detail that makes Bond feel more authentic and real world to me. For instance, how he wore the Churches Ryders for most of QOS or wearing the same TF overcoat throughout SF. It gives the illusion of a consistent wardrobe opposed to a costume change. Not sure anyone else feels the same?

    Brunello Chino's I guess were two outfits and poss Danners but not sure if they were supposed to be seen at Mr Whites

    Yeah, the BC pants and JCrew Kenton's were worn with three different outfits during the whole Morocco escapade, and I really liked that. I totally agree that the consistent use an item makes it feel more real world and less theatrical. I would actually really love to see the same exact item of clothing worn over multiple films, not just the same style or brand, though style and brand carryover is nice too.
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  • CheverianCheverian Posts: 1,456MI6 Agent
    Another thing that I didn't like that much about the Spectre wardrobe is that there were so few single items worn consistently throughout the film that weren't footwear related. Can only think of the Dents gloves worn in Italy and London and the Neil Barret pants. Its a small detail that makes Bond feel more authentic and real world to me. For instance, how he wore the Churches Ryders for most of QOS or wearing the same TF overcoat throughout SF. It gives the illusion of a consistent wardrobe opposed to a costume change. Not sure anyone else feels the same?

    I recently watched "Casino Royale" again and was impressed that certain items of clothing kept turning up in different scenes (the gray T shirt, the long sleeved polo, the cardigan, etc.). I understand that Bond is a fantasy figure, but it grounded the movie for me to a certain degree.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,616MI6 Agent
    Another thing that I didn't like that much about the Spectre wardrobe is that there were so few single items worn consistently throughout the film that weren't footwear related. Can only think of the Dents gloves worn in Italy and London and the Neil Barret pants. Its a small detail that makes Bond feel more authentic and real world to me. For instance, how he wore the Churches Ryders for most of QOS or wearing the same TF overcoat throughout SF. It gives the illusion of a consistent wardrobe opposed to a costume change. Not sure anyone else feels the same?

    I appreciate that too. I especially liked how Connery's hacking jacket from Goldfinger made it to Thunderball (not to mention that Connery first wore it in Woman of Straw). We see the grey track-stripe suit in SP worn twice, but it's odd he wears it two days in a row. But there was no need for both the Dior jacket and the TF Moncler copy. Bond should have worn the jacket in both scenes.
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  • James BrosnanJames Brosnan Posts: 865MI6 Agent
    Cheverian wrote:

    I recently watched "Casino Royale" again and was impressed that certain items of clothing kept turning up in different scenes (the gray T shirt, the long sleeved polo, the cardigan, etc.). I understand that Bond is a fantasy figure, but it grounded the movie for me to a certain degree.

    The gray T-Shirt and the TB trousers are the only items of casual clothing (watch excluded) that shows up multiple times in CR. Bond wears two different long sleeve polos and two different cardigans in the film. So, this is another example of similar style usage, but distinct items of clothing. That might of been what you were saying, but I wasn't sure, so I just wanted to make that distinction. I know... I'm that guy -{
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  • CheverianCheverian Posts: 1,456MI6 Agent
    Cheverian wrote:

    I recently watched "Casino Royale" again and was impressed that certain items of clothing kept turning up in different scenes (the gray T shirt, the long sleeved polo, the cardigan, etc.). I understand that Bond is a fantasy figure, but it grounded the movie for me to a certain degree.

    The gray T-Shirt is the only item of casual clothing (watch excluded) that shows up multiple times in CR. Bond wears two different long sleeve polos and two different cardigans in the film. So, this is another example of similar style usage, but distinct items of clothing. That might of been what you were saying, but I wasn't sure, so I just wanted to make that distinction. I know... I'm that guy -{

    That's funny! I happily stand corrected.

    But doesn't he wear the same grey glen plaid pants with the blue overcheck in both M's apartment and on the balcony in Montenegro?

    And yes, you are that guy now. ;)
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  • James BrosnanJames Brosnan Posts: 865MI6 Agent
    Cheverian wrote:
    Cheverian wrote:

    I recently watched "Casino Royale" again and was impressed that certain items of clothing kept turning up in different scenes (the gray T shirt, the long sleeved polo, the cardigan, etc.). I understand that Bond is a fantasy figure, but it grounded the movie for me to a certain degree.

    The gray T-Shirt is the only item of casual clothing (watch excluded) that shows up multiple times in CR. Bond wears two different long sleeve polos and two different cardigans in the film. So, this is another example of similar style usage, but distinct items of clothing. That might of been what you were saying, but I wasn't sure, so I just wanted to make that distinction. I know... I'm that guy -{

    That's funny! I happily stand corrected.

    But doesn't he wear the same grey glen plaid pants with the blue overcheck in both M's apartment and on the balcony in Montenegro?

    And yes, you are that guy now. ;)

    Actually, I was way off in my original statement. Bond does wear the same cardigan twice (two different cardigans, one worn twice) and the same plaid pants as you mentioned. Thanks for bringing the clothing consistency of CR up. Turns out there were even more consistencies than you originally mentioned. In fact, it would seem that CR had the highest number of item specific consistencies with different outfits of any Bond movie. Now I, my friend, stand corrected. -{
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    If you want consistency, just look at how often Connery wears a blue cocktail cuff shirt and navy and grenadine ties!
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  • OrnithologistOrnithologist BerlinPosts: 585MI6 Agent
    Actually, I was way off in my original statement. Bond does wear the same cardigan twice (two different cardigans, one worn twice)

    I was gonna say, but I didn't want to be "that guy" :))
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  • James BrosnanJames Brosnan Posts: 865MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    If you want consistency, just look at how often Connery wears a blue cocktail cuff shirt and navy and grenadine ties!

    Good point Matt. I was thinking more in terms of casual clothing consistencies, but the suit consistencies are just as awesome. You might have tackled this on your blog, but I don't remember seeing it; would you say there is enough consistency between the suits for the various Bonds, or would you prefer more consistency and what type? I know, I'm putting you on the spot :))
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  • James BrosnanJames Brosnan Posts: 865MI6 Agent
    Actually, I was way off in my original statement. Bond does wear the same cardigan twice (two different cardigans, one worn twice)

    I was gonna say, but I didn't want to be "that guy" :))

    :)) oh man! You should have called me out. I try and fail forward as often as possible. I find I learn best from making an ass out of myself, so I'll always be that guy.
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,616MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    If you want consistency, just look at how often Connery wears a blue cocktail cuff shirt and navy and grenadine ties!

    Good point Matt. I was thinking more in terms of casual clothing consistencies, but the suit consistencies are just as awesome. You might have tackled this on your blog, but I don't remember seeing it; would you say there is enough consistency between the suits for the various Bonds, or would you prefer more consistency and what type? I know, I'm putting you on the spot :))

    Dr. No had great consistency with the suits, and Bond wears his glen check suit and navy blazer on multiple occasions in the film. That film has a truly realistic wardrobe (except for continuity errors with the light blue casual trousers). There are too many suits in From Russia with Love, though two of the suits very closely resemble suits in Dr. No. It would have been great if the same suits were brought back. Connery didn't even need the number of suits in From Russia with Love that he had. He travelled with six suits, including two glen check suits! Two suits total would be fine, and three at the most. At least in Dr. No he arrives in Jamaica in a heavy grey flannel suit from London and switches between two suits and a blazer. He really only needed one suit and a blazer packed. Thunderball has great wardrobe reuse, with the tan cavalry twill trousers, the black long sleeve polo. I think the white swimming trunks are also worn on different occasions. Moore wore similar blazers in TSWLM and MR, though it would have been great for them to have been the same. The dinner suits in those films are identical except for one being midnight blue and the other being black. It would have been great for the midnight blue suit to have been reused. The black dinner jackets in FYEO and OP and identical except for a slight difference in lapel width. Moore's 80s films also feature a number of similar suits that could have been reused. All four of Brosnan's films feature him in a navy birdseye (or maybe other semi-solid) suit.
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  • James BrosnanJames Brosnan Posts: 865MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    If you want consistency, just look at how often Connery wears a blue cocktail cuff shirt and navy and grenadine ties!

    Good point Matt. I was thinking more in terms of casual clothing consistencies, but the suit consistencies are just as awesome. You might have tackled this on your blog, but I don't remember seeing it; would you say there is enough consistency between the suits for the various Bonds, or would you prefer more consistency and what type? I know, I'm putting you on the spot :))

    Dr. No had great consistency with the suits, and Bond wears his glen check suit and navy blazer on multiple occasions in the film. That film has a truly realistic wardrobe (except for continuity errors with the light blue casual trousers). There are too many suits in From Russia with Love, though two of the suits very closely resemble suits in Dr. No. It would have been great if the same suits were brought back. Connery didn't even need the number of suits in From Russia with Love that he had. He travelled with six suits, including two glen check suits! Two suits total would be fine, and three at the most. At least in Dr. No he arrives in Jamaica in a heavy grey flannel suit from London and switches between two suits and a blazer. He really only needed one suit and a blazer packed. Thunderball has great wardrobe reuse, with the tan cavalry twill trousers, the black long sleeve polo. I think the white swimming trunks are also worn on different occasions. Moore wore similar blazers in TSWLM and MR, though it would have been great for them to have been the same. The dinner suits in those films are identical except for one being midnight blue and the other being black. It would have been great for the midnight blue suit to have been reused. The black dinner jackets in FYEO and OP and identical except for a slight difference in lapel width. Moore's 80s films also feature a number of similar suits that could have been reused. All four of Brosnan's films feature him in a navy birdseye (or maybe other semi-solid) suit.

    These are some awesome details. I'm going to have to read this a few times to digest it all! I was actually asking if you think there has been enough consistency in the type of suits Bond has worn over the entire franchise. What I mean is, the suits in specter, even with similar details like the cocktail cuffs, are quite different from the suits that Connery wore. It seems, to my untrained eye, that Each Bond's suits seem to be worlds apart from the other Bond's suits, creating a discontinuity in the most important aspect of the characters image. Would you agree? If so, is this a bad thing in your opinion?
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,616MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:

    Good point Matt. I was thinking more in terms of casual clothing consistencies, but the suit consistencies are just as awesome. You might have tackled this on your blog, but I don't remember seeing it; would you say there is enough consistency between the suits for the various Bonds, or would you prefer more consistency and what type? I know, I'm putting you on the spot :))

    Dr. No had great consistency with the suits, and Bond wears his glen check suit and navy blazer on multiple occasions in the film. That film has a truly realistic wardrobe (except for continuity errors with the light blue casual trousers). There are too many suits in From Russia with Love, though two of the suits very closely resemble suits in Dr. No. It would have been great if the same suits were brought back. Connery didn't even need the number of suits in From Russia with Love that he had. He travelled with six suits, including two glen check suits! Two suits total would be fine, and three at the most. At least in Dr. No he arrives in Jamaica in a heavy grey flannel suit from London and switches between two suits and a blazer. He really only needed one suit and a blazer packed. Thunderball has great wardrobe reuse, with the tan cavalry twill trousers, the black long sleeve polo. I think the white swimming trunks are also worn on different occasions. Moore wore similar blazers in TSWLM and MR, though it would have been great for them to have been the same. The dinner suits in those films are identical except for one being midnight blue and the other being black. It would have been great for the midnight blue suit to have been reused. The black dinner jackets in FYEO and OP and identical except for a slight difference in lapel width. Moore's 80s films also feature a number of similar suits that could have been reused. All four of Brosnan's films feature him in a navy birdseye (or maybe other semi-solid) suit.

    These are some awesome details. I'm going to have to read this a few times to digest it all! I was actually asking if you think there has been enough consistency in the type of suits Bond has worn over the entire franchise. What I mean is, the suits in specter, even with similar details like the cocktail cuffs, are quite different from the suits that Connery wore. It seems, to my untrained eye, that Each Bond's suits seem to be worlds apart from the other Bond's suits, creating a discontinuity in the most important aspect of the characters image. Would you agree? If so, is this a bad thing in your opinion?

    There were consistent elements through TMWTGG: cocktail cuff shirts mostly in solid colours, solid ties, English bespoke suits. Then things started to change more, but they took some steps back in the 80s until all hell broke loose in LTK. Lindy Hemming then really changed things up again.
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  • canoe2canoe2 Posts: 2,007MI6 Agent
    Great topic and some excellent insights! Sorry I missed so much of this.

    I like to think that in the world of the films a lot of the pieces are meant to be the same, especially in CR and QoS. For example, Bond only owns one black shawl cardigan and he wore it in Montenegro, Venice and at Mathis's villa. Same with the Sunspel/TF polos and the Brioni suit at the end of CR and the TF suit at the start of QoS. He might even own only one pair of brown suede chukkas and light beige jeans. Maybe the peacoat from the CR pts and the one from SF are the same.

    I just think it's a fun (and significantly less expensive!) way of looking at things.
  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,416MI6 Agent
    I also really liked how Brosnan essentially wore one watch his entire tenure. That seamaster will always be the ultimate Bond Omega to me. It was a great bit of consistency for the character that has been missing lately. Craig really doesn't have a definitive Bond watch. The closest he has would be the Planet Ocean I guess?
  • 007JBDCMWR007JBDCMWR Posts: 2,526MI6 Agent
    I also really liked how Brosnan essentially wore one watch his entire tenure. That seamaster will always be the ultimate Bond Omega to me. It was a great bit of consistency for the character that has been missing lately. Craig really doesn't have a definitive Bond watch. The closest he has would be the Planet Ocean I guess?
    Or aqua terra given it featured in all of Sf and a lot of sp
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    Yeah doesnt really have a definitive watch does he?

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  • James BrosnanJames Brosnan Posts: 865MI6 Agent
    I also really liked how Brosnan essentially wore one watch his entire tenure. That seamaster will always be the ultimate Bond Omega to me.

    Couldn't agree more. The Seamasrer is my Bond watch, and I did enjoy the consistency aspects. I thought it was really cool that they brought it back for CR; I wish they would have kept it going.
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  • JellyfishJellyfish EnglandPosts: 470MI6 Agent
    canoe2 wrote:
    I like to think that in the world of the films a lot of the pieces are meant to be the same, especially in CR and QoS. For example, Bond only owns one black shawl cardigan and he wore it in Montenegro, Venice and at Mathis's villa. Same with the Sunspel/TF polos and the Brioni suit at the end of CR and the TF suit at the start of QoS. He might even own only one pair of brown suede chukkas and light beige jeans. Maybe the peacoat from the CR pts and the one from SF are the same.

    I just think it's a fun (and significantly less expensive!) way of looking at things.

    This is a sensible way of looking at things, and the most convincing logic is the suit worn at the end of Casino Royale and the beginning of Quantum of Solace - in reality, two different suits, but in the Bond universe, it's actually just one. If this is the case, why should the different black cardigans not be the same one?

    On the subject of Craig's Bond wearing the same item between films, the only things I can think of at the moment are the Albert Thurston braces he wears with his formalwear (and even the metal colour changes between films) and the S. T. Dupont 5172 cufflinks, worn in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace.
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,326MI6 Agent
    Items worn in more then one film that I can think of:

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    Cufflinks: ST Dupont 5172
    Braces: Albert Thurston
    Guess you could add white TF French Cuff shirt but they prob have differences
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