I'm investigating my box options now. I've got what I think would be fairly accurate blue leather textured paper if I do the more modern blue box. I've been shown an example where the box was a tan/white swirl color with a brown logo as well. It was a little wider than the late 60's box.
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
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Would you do a run of the old boxes too. Would be great to get both.
Okay... based on research and experiments I think it's actually going to be easier (and cheaper) to make some real "Morland" cigarettes than to go to the trouble of figuring out some kind of filler wrapped in paper. I've been looking into very inexpensive cigarette rolling machines and they create pretty consistent and professional looking cigarettes. Now I've just got to find cigarette papers that are packaged flat. The creases in the ones I've got now (Bugler) are making things a little difficult (but not impossible).
Now, for a small proof of concept. It does look like this thing is going to work fine!
That's "Classic" sized cigarette paper with three foil gold bands. I've got to tweak my graphics file a little and adjust some procedures to make it easier to (more) mass produce these, but I think this is going to work!
I've seen a few photos of either original or reproduction cigarettes and think I can do the gold bands fine. However, not seen in these photos (and maybe the reproductions don't have this) is the "HANDMADE" lettering on the cigarette. Here's the description of what the cigarettes looked like:
"The cigarettes themselves were of regular length, not kingsize, and unfiltered, naturally. The name Morland never appeared. Instead, they had a triple gold band at one end and, along the edge, in tiny capitals, the word 'HANDMADE'."
How would you interpret "along the edge" in this case? On one side of the paper perpendicular to the gold bands near the butt? Around the circumference of the butt of the cigarette going around the rim? On the other side's circumference?
My guess would be what I first mentioned - near the butt perpendicular to the gold bands. Thoughts? Anyone know for sure?
Yes- many years ago I used to smoke white menthol cigarettes (St Moritz, which had one large gold ring, and other brands) and some of them had calligraphic writing along the long edge.
I think it's very hard to speculate on descriptions of how things look. One person's idea or interpretation can be very different to the truth. You may take someone's description as gospel, only to be disappointed due to their description being inaccurate.
In this case I would interpret 'the edge' to mean the end of the cigarette. A cylinder has 3 surfaces and two edges.
However, using common sense and examples of other cigarettes, it's more likely to be the case that the lettering runs in line with the length of the cigarette.
Never ask what people think of a description, use other examples and common sense instead to avoid added confusion.
"I think it's very hard to speculate on descriptions of how things look."
Tell me about it! However, I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do much other than speculate on this particular issue. I've yet to find an original example of the cigarette in question. Photos of the few that are available look to be reproductions (they appear to just have a band with the gold rings wrapped around a pre-made cigarette) that don't show any "HANDMADE" typesetting on them and the people who I've been in contact with who have boxes don't know anything about the cigarettes themselves.
I agree that "common sense" would go for something along the gum line. Just looking for a "second opinion" in case what I think is common sense is really nonsense. For all I know, I could make 100 of these with the typing along the gum line and then everyone tell me that "every knows that the writing was cylindrical around the end, stupid!"
Indeed, totally right and obviously it's something you need to be sure on.
If you can't find photographic research material of the cig you're trying to copy I'd say have a look at other brands and what they did.
Thinking about it with the industrial cap on, I'd say production wise, it'd be easier to have the letting printed on the gun line too.
There must be a collector of cigarettes out there somewhere who can assist.
THIS is the level of research and detail others don't appreciate. But let's not goooo there, ted doesn't like being aeronautically transported from the infant carrier....
Good luck with the research, I think it's a safe assumption that 'along the gum line' is the general thought here, but I know what it's like when you have to be sure.
This thread shows old Egyptian cigarette papers with HANDMADE in both orientations: http://www.rollyourownresource.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=756&hilit=malta
Just judging from the photos in the thread, I would guess the gum line, especially since the writing is described as along the edge, not on the end, as the rings are.
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The Morlands have it running up the body on the edge of the stuck down gumline edge. Dead centre between the rings and the end.
First try using a little rolling machine with tobacco. Still some tweaking to do. I'm also going to try to put a few together using a wooden rod covered with paper.
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Now, for a small proof of concept. It does look like this thing is going to work fine!
That's "Classic" sized cigarette paper with three foil gold bands. I've got to tweak my graphics file a little and adjust some procedures to make it easier to (more) mass produce these, but I think this is going to work!
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I've seen a few photos of either original or reproduction cigarettes and think I can do the gold bands fine. However, not seen in these photos (and maybe the reproductions don't have this) is the "HANDMADE" lettering on the cigarette. Here's the description of what the cigarettes looked like:
"The cigarettes themselves were of regular length, not kingsize, and unfiltered, naturally. The name Morland never appeared. Instead, they had a triple gold band at one end and, along the edge, in tiny capitals, the word 'HANDMADE'."
How would you interpret "along the edge" in this case? On one side of the paper perpendicular to the gold bands near the butt? Around the circumference of the butt of the cigarette going around the rim? On the other side's circumference?
My guess would be what I first mentioned - near the butt perpendicular to the gold bands. Thoughts? Anyone know for sure?
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In this case I would interpret 'the edge' to mean the end of the cigarette. A cylinder has 3 surfaces and two edges.
However, using common sense and examples of other cigarettes, it's more likely to be the case that the lettering runs in line with the length of the cigarette.
Never ask what people think of a description, use other examples and common sense instead to avoid added confusion.
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Tell me about it! However, I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do much other than speculate on this particular issue. I've yet to find an original example of the cigarette in question. Photos of the few that are available look to be reproductions (they appear to just have a band with the gold rings wrapped around a pre-made cigarette) that don't show any "HANDMADE" typesetting on them and the people who I've been in contact with who have boxes don't know anything about the cigarettes themselves.
I agree that "common sense" would go for something along the gum line. Just looking for a "second opinion" in case what I think is common sense is really nonsense. For all I know, I could make 100 of these with the typing along the gum line and then everyone tell me that "every knows that the writing was cylindrical around the end, stupid!"
If you can't find photographic research material of the cig you're trying to copy I'd say have a look at other brands and what they did.
Thinking about it with the industrial cap on, I'd say production wise, it'd be easier to have the letting printed on the gun line too.
There must be a collector of cigarettes out there somewhere who can assist.
THIS is the level of research and detail others don't appreciate. But let's not goooo there, ted doesn't like being aeronautically transported from the infant carrier....
Good luck with the research, I think it's a safe assumption that 'along the gum line' is the general thought here, but I know what it's like when you have to be sure.
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http://www.rollyourownresource.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=756&hilit=malta
Just judging from the photos in the thread, I would guess the gum line, especially since the writing is described as along the edge, not on the end, as the rings are.
No. HANDMADE is the other side of the rings. Wider font with space between letters
First try using a little rolling machine with tobacco. Still some tweaking to do. I'm also going to try to put a few together using a wooden rod covered with paper.
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You may end up with a side business making custom cigarettes.
Are you planning on selling the box/cigarettes ... going to be alot of work to fill just one box!
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