Is TSWLM overated?

MilleniumForceMilleniumForce LondonPosts: 1,214MI6 Agent
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Don't get me wrong, I like it, but I think it is very overrated. Whilst the lotus is iconic, the submarine scenes, whilst still enjoyable, are quite stupid. The villain has a large lair that can be submerged underwater. Wooden acting. It screams 70's bond, and I still like it, I just think it's incredibly overrated.
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  • hehadlotsofgutshehadlotsofguts Durham England Posts: 2,112MI6 Agent
    TSWLM is quite enjoyable. It is Sir Roger's favourite film and i don't blame him it has everything. I think people think it is overated because of the ski jump and the battle at the end.
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  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    MF, if you think the underwater Lotus scenes are "stupid" then I suggest we not be friends. ;)

    I wish I didn't even check AJB today cuz posts like this just piss me off.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    As a kid back in 77, I sat amazed at TSWLM. {[] the sets, the stunts,
    The jokes, the Lotus. That's a lot of movie for a young boy to take in. :D
    Is it overrated ? I don't think so for Me Roger's best is FYEO but with SPY
    He made the role his own. :) it was " Bond and Beyond " {[]
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  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,912Chief of Staff
    I think fans and critics both say that it's a good film--arguably Roger Moore's best and probably the best Bond of the '70s--but not one of the all-time greats. I'm not sure how that's overrating. . .
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,102Chief of Staff



    No



  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    MilleniumForce wrote:
    Don't get me wrong, I like it, but I think it is very overrated. Whilst the lotus is iconic, the submarine scenes, whilst still enjoyable, are quite stupid. The villain has a large lair that can be submerged underwater. Wooden acting. It screams 70's bond, and I still like it, I just think it's incredibly overrated.

    In a word, yes.
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  • The_CommanderThe_Commander EnglandPosts: 245MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:



    No




    Wot he said!

    Like TP, I went to see the film with my grandad - twice! It was at the Odeon in Leeds and is one of only two films I've been to see twice at the pictures (the other was in the same year and was Star Wars).
    TSWLM has it all: iconic baddie lair, the Lotus, the most famous henchman of all time, Jaws, that ski jump PTS, the best one-liner ending and one of the most beautiful theme songs to round it all off. It was the long hot summer of the Silver Jubilee here in the UK and it was a film that meant more to Brits than probably to other viewers around the world.

    Superb film and it still is.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Also in the 70s Britain was a drab place, loads of people on strikes etc
    The currency devalued, joining Europe. In many ways it felt like Britain
    was sliding down hill fast.
    So it was great to see a Film with a cool British agent saving the world.
    For a Nations self-esteem it was brilliant, many audiences cheered on
    Seeing Bond open his parachute and " Fly the Flag!" {[]
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  • The Red KindThe Red Kind EnglandPosts: 3,338MI6 Agent
    No Sir. The Spy Who Loved Me is NOT overrated.
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    As a kid back in 77, I sat amazed at TSWLM. {[] the sets, the stunts,
    The jokes, the Lotus. That's a lot of movie for a young boy to take in. :D
    Is it overrated ? I don't think so for Me Roger's best is FYEO but with SPY
    He made the role his own. :) it was " Bond and Beyond " {[]

    No. It is not overated

    Guess what? It was filmed in the seventies. If you have seen any other British films of the seventies its a gem
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Blackleiter wrote:
    MilleniumForce wrote:
    Don't get me wrong, I like it, but I think it is very overrated. Whilst the lotus is iconic, the submarine scenes, whilst still enjoyable, are quite stupid. The villain has a large lair that can be submerged underwater. Wooden acting. It screams 70's bond, and I still like it, I just think it's incredibly overrated.

    In a word, yes.
    I wouldn't say 'incredibly', but yeah, a bit. But it IS the most pure fun of the lot IMO. -{
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    TSWLM is one of my favorites. LALD was well received and MWGG had it's moments, but what Moore really needed was a movie with some sense of historical relevance in the same manner that Connery's were.

    Connery was a perfect choice for the containment era. But in the Cold War as the west (in the 70's) entered a period of peace with the Soviet Union tensions were lessened. And Moore was the perfect Bond to signify the detente era. And TSWLM was the movie that cemented it.
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    TSWLM is defiantly not overrated -{
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    I truely looooove TSWLM!
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    Yes {[] Me too :)
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    I think that the Dalton movies were crap
    AlphaOmegaSin wrote:
    Yes {[] Me too :)
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    :)) :))
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  • M 'n' MM 'n' M Posts: 105MI6 Agent
    No - it deserves its reputation

    The PTS was sensational (and if you were lucky enough to be in a big (1000 seater)and full cinema, to hear the cheers / applause was very special and something I've never encountered before or since

    Jaws was a great villain (yes, a bit absurd, but the film was all about size and scale)

    Stromberg's lair was fantastic - Ken Adams' greatest piece of work and in the days before CGI a real spectacle that still holds up

    The Lotus car chase (ok - up to the point of going into the water) was great

    There were moments of light humour, mixing well with more serious sections - Anya touching on Bond's wife and the discussion about having to kill or be killed

    And - last but not least - I thought the film has the best settings and cinematography of them all. The Egyptian settings and the way the scenes are framed still look great, thanks to the legendary Claude Renoir.

    PS The film was also the critical turning point in revamping Bond and turning it from action movie to blockbuster

    Of course, we can all have our favourites and think some are under-rated and some over-rated but in the Bond canon I think TSWLM will always tick a number of key boxes in what makes a great Bond film
  • 002002 New ZealandPosts: 558MI6 Agent
    Definitely Roger Moore at his best. Although I love both Live and Let Die and For Your Eyes Only, I have to concede that this is where Moore came into his own. The only thing I can fault about The Spy Who Loved Me is the extended shooting of Stromberg after the initial "You've shot your last bolt" coup de grâce. The extra shots seem to cheapen the scene after that first, fatal, shot. Apart from that, it's an untouchable classic.

    No, not overrated at all. -{
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    M n M wrote:

    .......


    You seem to be missing the 2 top highlights:
    Barbara Bach :x
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    You seem to think the same about a lot of the Bonds, Stag ?:)
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  • BIG TAMBIG TAM Wrexham, North Wales, UK.Posts: 773MI6 Agent
    TSWLM is great!

    I'm confused as to why any Bond fan wouldn't like the film when it encapsulates everything one would desire & expect from a 'traditional' Bond film. It makes no sense to dislike it.
  • SpoffSpoff Posts: 244MI6 Agent
    I do like it, but I would not consider it a Bond "classic" in the way that many people do.

    So I do think it is "slightly" overrated.

    I personally think Roger Moore's "classic" was FYEO.
  • Moore ThanMoore Than EnglandPosts: 3,173MI6 Agent
    No!

    Other films may have better villains or Bond girls, for example. But The Spy Who Loved Me (along with Goldfinger) define for me what the cinematic Bond is all about, combining the classic elements better than the rest. Superb action, great visuals, great sets, very memorable title song and score, Roger Moore at his best. Revived the series on a grand scale. Superb entertainment. -{
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    It's bloody brilliant !!!! {[]
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  • Moore ThanMoore Than EnglandPosts: 3,173MI6 Agent
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    It's bloody brilliant !!!! {[]

    Not to put too fine a point on it. Yes, it is bloody brilliant!!! :D My favourite Bond film without a doubt. {[]
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    Moore Than wrote:
    No!

    Other films may have better villains or Bond girls, for example. But The Spy Who Loved Me (along with Goldfinger) define for me what the cinematic Bond is all about, combining the classic elements better than the rest. Superb action, great visuals, great sets, very memorable title song and score, Roger Moore at his best. Revived the series on a grand scale. Superb entertainment. -{

    .... and Barbara Bach :x
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    It's bloody brilliant !!!! {[]

    That's in fact, what Higgins said when he first saw TLD ;)
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  • The Red KindThe Red Kind EnglandPosts: 3,338MI6 Agent
    Did anyone say that The Spy Who Love Me is brilliant..? Because it bloody is! It's bloody fantastic! And Barbara Bach is bloody gorgeous! I bloody love that film! :x
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    Imo Moore Than nailed it.

    I really love TMWTGG but the step to TSWLM is bigger than with any other Bond Movie.

    Moving from Spy Stories to a Cinematic Superhero.
    Traditionalists and gumpy old men like BL may not like it but the franchise hardly makes any money from us old farts
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