Pros and Cons: Die Another Day

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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    I think Tamohori was a major blunder.

    I'm really not sure why they picked him to direct. Yes he did the excellent Once Were Warriors - but that's an independent flick that is mostly known only in my country. Perhaps at the time, after doing a Sopranos episode as well and a few B-grade action flicks he had a bit of "zing" about him...

    After Mendes' run is over, will EON only go with more accomplished directors?
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    I think Tamohori was a major blunder.

    I'm really not sure why they picked him to direct. ?

    I am stunned how he got the gig. All I can say is that on one of the documentaries he stated "cgi. Its the future" and flooded the film with it.

    As we found out live action is the future. Not cgi.
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • The Wicker ManThe Wicker Man EnglandPosts: 434MI6 Agent
    I sometimes wonder if the 'Carry On' team got really drunk and wrote the script for DAD.
    "I don't like **** fights" - I can just picture Kenneth Williams saying "ooh Madonna behave". Or "I see you handle your weapon well" - "I have been known to keep my tip up" deserves a Sid James cackle. The whole scene with Bond and Jinx at the end "Don't pull it out, I'm not finished with it yet". "See it's a perfect fit". "Uh-hm leave it in" etc sounds like a terrible version of Carry on Camping.
    DAD lacks class and Bond films should always have class. -{
    1.ohmss 2.cr 3.frwl 4.ltk 5.gf 6.tswlm 7.sf 8.op 9.tld 10.dn 11.lald 12.tb 13.fyeo 14.ge 15.mr 16.yolt 17.tnd 18.avtak 19.sp 20.twine 21.qos 22.tmwtgg 23.daf 24.dad
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    DAD lacks class and Bond films should always have class. -{
    It has class, just a different teacher... :))
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    Well, at least this movie, so many years on, is still stirring emotions. I think it's destined to go the way of OHMSS and it will be more and more appreciated as the time goes by.
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    The whole scene with Bond and Jinx at the end "Don't pull it out, I'm not finished with it yet". "See it's a perfect fit". "Uh-hm leave it in" etc sounds like a terrible version of Carry on Camping.
    DAD lacks class and Bond films should always have class. -{

    That ending was truely awful... I'm willing to forgive a lot and keep watching but DAD just never seems to let up. All that cheesy dialog over a diamond being placed in her bellybutton? C'mon that doesn't even make sense to begin with. And then the icing on the cake is the most generic cheesy line ever "You're so good when you're bad."

    Embarrasing. Add that to the VR sequence with Moneypenny and you are in for a very poor end to a Bond film.

    At least seeing the Ferraris drop next to the mud huts was funny.
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,870MI6 Agent
    I sometimes wonder if the 'Carry On' team got really drunk and wrote the script for DAD.
    "I don't like **** fights" - I can just picture Kenneth Williams saying "ooh Madonna behave". Or "I see you handle your weapon well" - "I have been known to keep my tip up" deserves a Sid James cackle. The whole scene with Bond and Jinx at the end "Don't pull it out, I'm not finished with it yet". "See it's a perfect fit". "Uh-hm leave it in" etc sounds like a terrible version of Carry on Camping.
    DAD lacks class and Bond films should always have class. -{

    Very much agreed on that aspect of DAD. It's just really smutty dialogue; nothing more clever than that is there.
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    I find DAD fascinating. On one side I truly believe it is a fun film, and each time I do watch it (not often), I really enjoy myself. On the other side I just often find myself thinking about certain aspects of the film and go "why?".

    I'd love to hear an inside account of why certain things with DAD went the way they did. Did Tamahori have that much control that certain elements of the film was his choice? Or did they just think that such over-the-top lampooning of the series was something that people would really enjoy?

    Was it the case at the time movies like Charlie's Angels, XXX and action movies with female leads so successful they couldn't resist making a film which descended into what it was?

    I want answers! :p
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    The main thing for ME was that Pierce WAS Bond here. All the other (admittedly many) things I didn't like were secondary for me. B-)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    I'd love to hear an inside account of why certain things with DAD went the way they did. Did Tamahori have that much control that certain elements of the film was his choice? Or did they just think that such over-the-top lampooning of the series was something that people would really enjoy?

    Watch the special features! The making-of documentaries are fascinating. They even interview the ice-surfing CGI team.

    http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/41335/die-another-day-from-script-to-screen/
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    Watch the special features! The making-of documentaries are fascinating. They even interview the ice-surfing CGI team.
    Those clowns really thought they were doing something amazing... so sad. 8-)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    I find DAD fascinating. On one side I truly believe it is a fun film, and each time I do watch it (not often), I really enjoy myself. On the other side I just often find myself thinking about certain aspects of the film and go "why?".

    I'd love to hear an inside account of why certain things with DAD went the way they did. Did Tamahori have that much control that certain elements of the film was his choice? Or did they just think that such over-the-top lampooning of the series was something that people would really enjoy?

    Was it the case at the time movies like Charlie's Angels, XXX and action movies with female leads so successful they couldn't resist making a film which descended into what it was?

    I want answers! :p

    I agree with you. Did Babs and Mickey G just give up? We know Purvis and Wade gave up screenwriting duties but we need to know how much

    Why couldn't Babs put her foot down and say "no" to any invisible car? There has to be a good record of what went wrong somewhere.

    They have done "warts 'an all" documentaries for LTK and OHMSS
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    They have done "warts 'an all" documentaries for LTK and OHMSS

    Maybe the will at some point for DAD in retrospect.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    Maybe the will at some point for DAD in retrospect.

    I think it was the Everything or Nothing documentary where Pierce laughs at the ice-surfing CGI in hindsight.
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:

    Thanks for the reminder, it was terrific :))
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • Goodbye, Mr. BondGoodbye, Mr. Bond Posts: 1MI6 Agent
    [Message deleted after reports and user banned. Back to your cave, troll. Barbel]
  • UnderwaterBattle007UnderwaterBattle007 Posts: 284MI6 Agent
    Ok so today my Bond marathon continues as I rewatched DAD.

    Not really sure where to start with this. The PTS I enjoyed thoroughly and imo it is in the top four PTS of the entire series. The surfing scenes are awesome.

    The actual main story of conflict diamonds is a very good one, based in reality, and the film Blood Diamond is one of my favourite films. I liked the premise of Bond being captured and tortured, although in reality he would have been about 4 stones lighter than what Brosnan actually was.

    Again the story features Bond on the outside and disavowed. As others have said the first 90 minutes of the film are classic Bond.

    The car chase on the ice is one of the best to feauture in the entire series.

    Now as I look back 15 years after it's release I can actually forgive the "Invisible car" as apparently the technology for this is based in fact. I think the uk BBC motoring magazine program "Top gear" actually recreated an invisible car of sorts.

    The conflict with North Korea is every bit as prelavent today as it was back in 2002.

    So what lets this film down, well imo it's all down to **** CGI. I understand CGI has to be used to a certain extent, but could they not have paid a stuntwomen to dive backwards off a cliff. The whole Wind surfing scene is truely awful. Then there is the plane breaking up.

    I read in an interview with Cubby many years ago, where he stated that if a stunt couldn't be done for real then it had no place in a Bond movie. Never mind Fleming I bet Cubby was turning in his grave.

    So overall it's a Bond film and I did enjoy watching it again. I have now learnt to ignore the **** CGI and accept it for what it is. A bond movie, that sits 24th or bottom of the pile imo.

    I haven't even mentioned Madonna or the utter crap title song. I was quite exited when it was announced she would be doing the title song, as she had done one for the Austin Powers films that was very 1960's with a really catchy tune.

    Did I say the CGIis terrible, if I didn't, then I just want to make the point the CGI is terrible.
    FRWl, CR, OHMSS, TSWLM, SF, GF, TLD, LTK, TND, FYEO, OP,TWINE, GE, LALD, TB, SPECTRE, DN, YOLT, TMWTGG, QOS, MR, DAF, DAD, AVTAK, NTTD.

    "Do you expect me to talk? "No Mister Bond I expect you to die"
  • Unloved SeasonUnloved Season Denton, TexasPosts: 48MI6 Agent
    I'm one of those who consider it the worst Bond movie ever and the only Bond movie I can't enjoy in some way. In fact it's one of only two movies I've ever walked out of in the theater, the other being Van Helsing. What makes it so irritating to me is that it starts off pretty strong, it always fools me into thinking I might actually enjoy it but usually around the time Bond infiltrates the gene therapy place in Cuba it all falls apart and I wonder how got myself in this situation again. But I enjoy the beginning and the whole deal with Bond being captured. I thought Pierce was great as always, but as always (except GoldenEye) it seems like he was wasted in this movie.
  • GoldenEye85GoldenEye85 Posts: 278MI6 Agent
    In my top Brosnan films this is number 3/4.

    I'll start with the cons:

    Graves winding up being just a boy still seeking his father's approval.

    The theme song.

    I understand what people say about the CGI, but it's not an issue for me.

    20th film/40th Ann. nods


    Pros:

    The chase scenes (Hovercraft, Iceland)

    Sword fight

    20th film/40th Ann. nods. The reason I list this in both is because while I like the nods to the older films, I think there are a few too many.
    1, GE 2, CR 3, SF 4, TWINE 5, Spectre 6, TMWTGG 7, DAD 8, LALD 9, AVTAK 10, LTK 11, Octopussy 12, Moonraker 13, TLD 14, GF 15, QOS 16, Tomorrow 17, FYEO 18. TSWLM Not seen much: Dr. No, Russia, Thunderball, Twice, Majesty.

    1: Brosnan 2: Craig 3: Moore 4: Dalton 5: Connery and 6: Lazenby
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    There certainly are too many nods to the past, but overt, garish things like this seemed to be in vogue in the early 00s with films like Charlie's Angels, XXX, Italian Job etc. which all were quite kitsch, heavy on poor CGI and badly acted.

    Jinx for me is the single worst thing about the film. A horribly written character. Zero chemistry between the two actors.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Jinx is a series lowlight
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • Unloved SeasonUnloved Season Denton, TexasPosts: 48MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    Jinx is a series lowlight

    As is the Madonna cameo.
  • MilleniumForceMilleniumForce LondonPosts: 1,214MI6 Agent
    Jinx is the worst Bond girl honestly. Halle Berry is given some terrible dialogue, and the character, whilst she's supposed to be this Bond equal, strong agent, she spends most of the movie captured, and doing very little. It's one of those many examples of trying too hard to make a female character strong and independent; which is a shame, considering Brosnan's first two Bond girls, Natalya and Wai Lin, were effortlessly excellent characters.
    1.LTK 2.AVTAK 3.OP 4.FYEO 5.TND 6.LALD 7.GE 8.GF 9.TSWLM 10.SPECTRE 11.SF 12.MR 13.YOLT 14.TLD 15.CR (06) 16.TMWTGG 17.TB 18.FRWL 19.TWINE 20.OHMSS 21.DAF 22.DAD 23.QoS 24.NSNA 25.DN 26.CR (67)
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    ^ agreed.

    At the time there was talk about a Jinx Jordan series outside of James Bond. Knowing this makes a bit more sense because it feels that they tried to make Jinx a Bond girl (horrible slow-mo water scene*) but at the same time sassy and independent ("I think I got the thrust of it", "bitch"). It just results in a mess.

    The fight between Jinx and Frost at the end is pretty epic, but it doesn't belong in a Bond film.

    * Nice to look at, but like the slow-mo running scene in LTK :#
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • sniperUKsniperUK UlsterPosts: 594MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    Jinx is a series lowlight

    but her bikini a highlight :v
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    Jinx is a series lowlight

    As is the Madonna cameo.

    Indeed.Jinx having more screen time just has more opportunity to stink up that place. Boy did DAD have a lot to contend with. On the plus side is the Sword fight,the PTS and of course Rosamund Pike.
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    Jinx is the worst Bond girl honestly.

    I cringed when she represented the Bond series in the Academy Awards a few years back.

    Truly the absolute worst Bond girl by a wide margin.
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Jinx worst Bond girl? Basically.... -{
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    I may represent a minority here, but I do like Jinx. Certainly not a perfect character, but better than many others, and all Bond girsl without exception that came after her.
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