^ I am never sure if you're being sarcastic or not! Yes she progresses the film along by doing stupid things and being the butt of all jokes - that's not any better than just being eye candy IMO.
^ I am never sure if you're being sarcastic or not! Yes she progresses the film along by doing stupid things and being the butt of all jokes - that's not any better than just being eye candy IMO.
The point is that without her, the story would have been different. If she were purely eye candy she would just be for looks and have no effect at all on what Bond does.
^ I am never sure if you're being sarcastic or not! Yes she progresses the film along by doing stupid things and being the butt of all jokes - that's not any better than just being eye candy IMO.
I think it's actually worse than just being eye candy. )
She does look great in a bikini. All is forgiven.
My current 10 favorite:
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
Just finished rewatching it for the 6th time, and I think I'm finally coming around to it:
Pros:
- Nick Nack is gleefully evil and omnipresent, one almost thinks he's the real villain and Scaramanga is his unwitting henchman
- The PTS and last-to-final act match in a great way, and there's some real tension in both parts
- I love Sheriff Pepper, he's a hoot
- Britt Ekland in that bikini, *dabs forehead with handkerchief*
- the Queen Elizabeth, easily the coolest "field office" in the series
Cons:
- Tone is very inconsistent, serious one moment and absurdly ridiculous the next
- Roger Moore is not playing to his strengths, it seems like he's trying to channel Sean Connery in the worst way
- boring stretches in the middle, makes me rub my temples waiting for the scene to end
All in all I quite liked it, and this is one I used to hate
This is one of my favorites ever. I get why so many dislike it, the world's best assassin who wants to a go Bond for his masterpiece, gets sucked into a real life problem with the energy stuff of the 1970s, I wasn't alive then so I have no clue what this is talking about.
Since this is here I won't make a new thread for a question of this movie.
Early on in the mission Bond goes to find the bullet used to kill 002, in the woman's navel. Why did those guys attack Bond? Did they work for Scaramanga or were they simply bouncers for the club?
1, GE 2, CR 3, SF 4, TWINE 5, Spectre 6, TMWTGG 7, DAD 8, LALD 9, AVTAK 10, LTK 11, Octopussy 12, Moonraker 13, TLD 14, GF 15, QOS 16, Tomorrow 17, FYEO 18. TSWLM Not seen much: Dr. No, Russia, Thunderball, Twice, Majesty.
1: Brosnan 2: Craig 3: Moore 4: Dalton 5: Connery and 6: Lazenby
I think the owner of the club was jealous of Bond moving in on
his girl. So with the help of a couple of his men he went round
to give Bond a good kicking.
That's how I've always seen it, anyway.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Early on in the mission Bond goes to find the bullet used to kill 002, in the woman's navel. Why did those guys attack Bond? Did they work for Scaramanga or were they simply bouncers for the club?
Been wondering that myself. Same goes for the thugs in OHMSS pre-title sequence.
Trouble just seems to follow Bond...
My current 10 favorite:
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
- iconic villain, maybe the best in the franchise
- amazing locations
- really good tense action
- really enjoyable story
- one of the best stunts you will find in any movie ever
Cons:
- said stunt is damn near ruined by a god awful slide whistle. What in the........ I want the option to have an audio track without that whistle.
Seriously, that is the only con I really remember and probably because it was so infuriating.
Top Ten Bond - 10:Goldfinger 9:Thunderball 8:The Spy who Loved Me 7:For Your Eyes Only 6: Casino Royale 5:The Man with the Golden Gun 4:Quantum of Solace 3:Licence to Kill 2:Goldeneye 1:The Living Daylights
there actually is a fragment of Fleming in this film
in the book, Goodnight recognises Bond's voice over the phone, and they arrange a dinner date, he requests she wear something "tight in all the right places, not too many buttons" ...
at dinner he's checking out her dress, and she says "the buttons are down the back ... standard issue for a tropical station"
Bond: "I can just see Q Branch dreaming it up. I suppose one of the buttons has a death pill in it"
Goodnight: "of course, but I cant remember which, I'll just have to swallow the whole string"
difference is bookGoodnight then goes on for two pages about the details of the Jamaican sugar market in reaction to Castro's revolution
whereas in the movie MooreBond immediately makes the clumsiest pass in all the movies, and this to a friend of his from the office
in the book Goodnight is written as more intelligent
in the movie they're both written as fools ... well, at least Bond knows more about the Solex McGuffin than Scaramanga
There are a couple more fragments, too. Bond's potted history of Scaramanga early in the film has its roots in Fleming, and Scaramanga's elephant story does as well.
Pros:
.Roger's more serious/jerkish performance.
.Christopher Lee.
.Nick Nack.
.I like everything from the gunbarrel to the scene of Chew Mi in the pool.
.The return of Sherrif J.W. Pepper.
.The dinner scene on the island.
.The showdown with Nick Nack had me in tears.
Cons:
.The theme, while not bad, is a little uninspired.
.Britt Eckland. Annoying character. I never even thought she was that hot.
.Bond grabbing the sumo wrestlers ass.
.Hip's nieces. That whole karate school sequence is embarrassing.
.The slide whistle.
.The action scenes aren't very exciting.
The PTS with Rodney, coming to Scaramanga's island to duel him. We get to see how much of a threat Scaramanga is.
The locations- I like the atmospheric feel of them. The beach in the PTS, looks stunning.
Hip and Bond scoping out Hai Fat's lair. Hip standing on Bond's shoulder's, with Bond smoking a cigar, reeks of cool! One of the best scenes in the film.
The return of JW Pepper. I liked the fish out of water aspect to JW's second appearance. He's been dragged on holiday by his wife and he is miserable. His demeanour changes when he meets Bond, adding to some fun scenes.
The scene at the Boxing ring with Scaramanga explaining to Bond how he became a killer. Scaramanga respects Bond as an assassin and means him no harm. They are quite civil to each other. It was only when Bond went to Scaramanga's island, that Scaramanga set about wanting to kill Bond.
I like Nick Nack. He's a worky ticket, but that's what makes him a fun character. I liked how much fun he has at the controls of the funhouse.
The corkscrew jump is an amazing stunt.
Andrea Anders and Goodnight are gorgeous. I like that Anders is trapped in an unhappy relationship with Scaramanga and she sees Bond as a way of escaping him. Her death was chilling. Anders staring into space after being shot, gives me the creeps.
Cons
Bond hitting Andrea Anders for information. This attitude suited Connery and Lazenby, but it's out of chatacter for Roger's Bond to do it.
The theme song is not one of my favourites at all.
Have you ever heard of the Emancipation Proclamation?"
The only major flaw I can find with this film is that it feels like some sort of B-Movie, with the contributing factors being the odd aspect ratio (it took the series back by exactly a decade) and the colours not being that vibrant as they were in Diamonds or Let Die.
Another contributing factor to me not liking it that much was that almost none of the locations feel like they had been filmed "on location" and made on a set. This isn't limited to Golden Gun, as the same can be said for Hamilton's other movies. The Miami scenes from Goldfinger coming to mind even if he got better at hiding that in Diamonds.
I have to disagree with you there, DP- I don't think that "almost none of the locations [in TMWTGG] feel like they had been filmed "on location".
etc, all create a real sense of place. Certainly, there are sets and some don't blend 100% with the location shots but I don't feel they're in the majority and I'd say the location shots are one of the film's strengths.
Of course there are some exceptions, like the HMS Queen Elizabeth and Scaramanga's Island as Barbel stated but as much as I want to love some aspects of the movie, it's hard for me to do so.
It's been a long time since I last watched the movie, and even if I don't find it to be the best of Roger's movies (even if it was the one with the most potential to become the best), the set up and the story are all wonderful. It is by far the most watchable first hour of any Bond movie with SPECTRE, Royale, TND, OP, TB being all possible contenders for that title.
This has probably already been mentioned, by why does Barry regard it as his worst score to a Bond movie? There are some excellent cues, and I'm sure Arnold took inspiration from it. That said, after "View To A Kill", "Nobody Does It Better", "Live and Let Die" and even "All Time High", Lulu's song is tough not to love.
The Man With The Golden Gun always will have a special place in my heart because it was the first Roger Bond movie that I ever saw. Some people regard it as Roger's (mid) low point as Bond, he was the closest to the classic Bond character than he ever got.
One flaw is that for most of the film, Bond isn't really in danger, he just thinks he is. Scaramanga isn't even aware he exists and doesn't care about him, it was his assistant that sent him the bullet with the 007 on it. This mystery aspect and the resolution doesn't really come across very well. As for the phony locations, well, the genuine phony (!) one in Beirut stands out, with no establishing shot that I recall, it might be an episode of The Saint.
This has probably already been mentioned, by why does Barry regard it as his worst score to a Bond movie? There are some excellent cues, and I'm sure Arnold took inspiration from it. That said, after "View To A Kill", "Nobody Does It Better", "Live and Let Die" and even "All Time High", Lulu's song is tough not to love.
The theme is simply lazy, and the score is uninspired. Along with From Russia with Love, this film has Barry's weakest score. In From Russia with Love, the score is a result of Barry's inexperience. For The Man with the Golden Gun, the score just lacks heart. Barry uses one theme for both action and love scenes, and he doesn't really do anything with it. The other cues just sound like filler. It sounds like he wrote the whole score very, very quickly and put no love into it. It's still a fine score because of the master that John Barry was, but I'm not surprised it was his least favourite.
Isn't Live and Let Die and The Man With The Golden Gun the shortest time between movies since From Russia With Love and Goldfinger?
It might not be his worst score but maybe his least favourite because of the experience of writing it (too short a timeframe, etc).
That is also a huge problem with the movie, it was done too quickly and it hadn't been done as well as it could've been. The script could've been improved and it was at this film where the Fleming material started to dry up. Had they waited a bit and found some fresh new ideas, it could've been the best one out of the bunch.
Britt Ekland as Goodnight isn't much more than a pretty face and she has but a decorative role in later scenes.
Guy Hamilton's directing doesn't feel as lively as it had been in Diamonds and Let Die. Looks like he didn't know his limitations as a director.
Andrea's character doesn't get the background that she deserves or how she got trapped with Scaramanga as, I'm sure, she'd be a very intriguing story.
I think that had there been no music for the car stunt, it would've been much better.
We all have our opinions and I can't change yours on the theme. I might like it that much because it's the one I heard the most and the one that grew the most on me. It's a shame that some cues were never released but they at least are pretty easy to find on YouTube (Bond arriving at Macau, A moment with Goodnight etc)
I don't find JW to be annoying but couldn't they think up a better story on how he would've been in an AMC car? I don't mind advertising, if it is the right product, but that is just lazy.
There is a lack of gadgets, and I think that they could've gotten away with Bond using his magnetic/saw Sub twice in a row. Or using Roger's cigar smoking habits in one shape or form. Yet, one could argue that the Golden Gun is "gadget-enough" for one film. Also, with Bond wearing a blue silky holster, he could've matched up the lining of his suit with it but that's just one of my crazy ideas. Speaking of which, why did he wear a double breasted suit for a stakeout in a possible assassination?
TMWTGG fits into that yo-yo category for me. I love it through nostalgia (I saw it when I was about 7-8 on TV, my first) and at times really enjoy what Remington calls Moore's "more serious/jerky" performance. But other times it falls into the boring and odd DAF, LALD camp that fails to inspire.
I will say that I think TMWTGG is the stronger film out of the 3 - mostly through Scaramanga, locations (non-US) and Barry's score.
I'd agree with that partially- Christopher Lee is naturally a better villain than Charles Grey or Yaphet Kotto (both excellent actors, but Lee trumps them: he's CHRISTOPHER LEE for God's sake), and the locations are superb- but feel Barry did a wonderful job on DAF which beats both what he himself did on TMWTGG and George Martin did on LALD.
I'd agree with that partially- Christopher Lee is naturally a better villain than Charles Grey or Yaphet Kotto (both excellent actors, but Lee trumps them: he's CHRISTOPHER LEE for God's sake), and the locations are superb- but feel Barry did a wonderful job on DAF which beats both what he himself did on TMWTGG and George Martin did on LALD.
I agree. The DAF score is miles ahead of the TMWTGG score. Martin's score is brilliant in its own way.
I recall Barry's FRWL score being dissed a bit on this thread, can't see why. It has a taut menace and some great cues, and of course Barry is great but some later scores had a languid feel that can slow things down a bit. That said, the soundtrack albums themselves for say TB and YOLT I am ready to accept may be better than the FRWL soundtrack album.
I recall Barry's FRWL score being dissed a bit on this thread, can't see why. It has a taut menace and some great cues, and of course Barry is great but some later scores had a languid feel that can slow things down a bit. That said, the soundtrack albums themselves for say TB and YOLT I am ready to accept may be better than the FRWL soundtrack album.
FRWL is great, but when compared to all the others except for TMWTGG I can't see how it is in any way better than Barry's 9 other scores. The FRWL score has a more rudimentary sound rather than the more mature sound in Barry's later scores like OP and TLD.
Comments
"Better make that two."
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
The point is that without her, the story would have been different. If she were purely eye candy she would just be for looks and have no effect at all on what Bond does.
I think it's actually worse than just being eye candy.
She does look great in a bikini. All is forgiven.
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
Pros:
- Nick Nack is gleefully evil and omnipresent, one almost thinks he's the real villain and Scaramanga is his unwitting henchman
- The PTS and last-to-final act match in a great way, and there's some real tension in both parts
- I love Sheriff Pepper, he's a hoot
- Britt Ekland in that bikini, *dabs forehead with handkerchief*
- the Queen Elizabeth, easily the coolest "field office" in the series
Cons:
- Tone is very inconsistent, serious one moment and absurdly ridiculous the next
- Roger Moore is not playing to his strengths, it seems like he's trying to channel Sean Connery in the worst way
- boring stretches in the middle, makes me rub my temples waiting for the scene to end
All in all I quite liked it, and this is one I used to hate
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Since this is here I won't make a new thread for a question of this movie.
Early on in the mission Bond goes to find the bullet used to kill 002, in the woman's navel. Why did those guys attack Bond? Did they work for Scaramanga or were they simply bouncers for the club?
1: Brosnan 2: Craig 3: Moore 4: Dalton 5: Connery and 6: Lazenby
his girl. So with the help of a couple of his men he went round
to give Bond a good kicking.
That's how I've always seen it, anyway.
Been wondering that myself. Same goes for the thugs in OHMSS pre-title sequence.
Trouble just seems to follow Bond...
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
If I remember correctly, they hold her at knife-point?
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
- iconic villain, maybe the best in the franchise
- amazing locations
- really good tense action
- really enjoyable story
- one of the best stunts you will find in any movie ever
Cons:
- said stunt is damn near ruined by a god awful slide whistle. What in the........ I want the option to have an audio track without that whistle.
Seriously, that is the only con I really remember and probably because it was so infuriating.
in the book, Goodnight recognises Bond's voice over the phone, and they arrange a dinner date, he requests she wear something "tight in all the right places, not too many buttons" ...
at dinner he's checking out her dress, and she says "the buttons are down the back ... standard issue for a tropical station"
Bond: "I can just see Q Branch dreaming it up. I suppose one of the buttons has a death pill in it"
Goodnight: "of course, but I cant remember which, I'll just have to swallow the whole string"
look, its in the film, almost word for word, during the Phuyuck scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx0oI_QDOww
difference is bookGoodnight then goes on for two pages about the details of the Jamaican sugar market in reaction to Castro's revolution
whereas in the movie MooreBond immediately makes the clumsiest pass in all the movies, and this to a friend of his from the office
in the book Goodnight is written as more intelligent
in the movie they're both written as fools ... well, at least Bond knows more about the Solex McGuffin than Scaramanga
Pros:
.Roger's more serious/jerkish performance.
.Christopher Lee.
.Nick Nack.
.I like everything from the gunbarrel to the scene of Chew Mi in the pool.
.The return of Sherrif J.W. Pepper.
.The dinner scene on the island.
.The showdown with Nick Nack had me in tears.
Cons:
.The theme, while not bad, is a little uninspired.
.Britt Eckland. Annoying character. I never even thought she was that hot.
.Bond grabbing the sumo wrestlers ass.
.Hip's nieces. That whole karate school sequence is embarrassing.
.The slide whistle.
.The action scenes aren't very exciting.
Decent flick but could've been better.
7/10 -{ .
The PTS with Rodney, coming to Scaramanga's island to duel him. We get to see how much of a threat Scaramanga is.
The locations- I like the atmospheric feel of them. The beach in the PTS, looks stunning.
Hip and Bond scoping out Hai Fat's lair. Hip standing on Bond's shoulder's, with Bond smoking a cigar, reeks of cool! One of the best scenes in the film.
The return of JW Pepper. I liked the fish out of water aspect to JW's second appearance. He's been dragged on holiday by his wife and he is miserable. His demeanour changes when he meets Bond, adding to some fun scenes.
The scene at the Boxing ring with Scaramanga explaining to Bond how he became a killer. Scaramanga respects Bond as an assassin and means him no harm. They are quite civil to each other. It was only when Bond went to Scaramanga's island, that Scaramanga set about wanting to kill Bond.
I like Nick Nack. He's a worky ticket, but that's what makes him a fun character. I liked how much fun he has at the controls of the funhouse.
The corkscrew jump is an amazing stunt.
Andrea Anders and Goodnight are gorgeous. I like that Anders is trapped in an unhappy relationship with Scaramanga and she sees Bond as a way of escaping him. Her death was chilling. Anders staring into space after being shot, gives me the creeps.
Cons
Bond hitting Andrea Anders for information. This attitude suited Connery and Lazenby, but it's out of chatacter for Roger's Bond to do it.
The theme song is not one of my favourites at all.
" I don't listen to hip hop!"
Another contributing factor to me not liking it that much was that almost none of the locations feel like they had been filmed "on location" and made on a set. This isn't limited to Golden Gun, as the same can be said for Hamilton's other movies. The Miami scenes from Goldfinger coming to mind even if he got better at hiding that in Diamonds.
etc, all create a real sense of place. Certainly, there are sets and some don't blend 100% with the location shots but I don't feel they're in the majority and I'd say the location shots are one of the film's strengths.
It's been a long time since I last watched the movie, and even if I don't find it to be the best of Roger's movies (even if it was the one with the most potential to become the best), the set up and the story are all wonderful. It is by far the most watchable first hour of any Bond movie with SPECTRE, Royale, TND, OP, TB being all possible contenders for that title.
This has probably already been mentioned, by why does Barry regard it as his worst score to a Bond movie? There are some excellent cues, and I'm sure Arnold took inspiration from it. That said, after "View To A Kill", "Nobody Does It Better", "Live and Let Die" and even "All Time High", Lulu's song is tough not to love.
The Man With The Golden Gun always will have a special place in my heart because it was the first Roger Bond movie that I ever saw. Some people regard it as Roger's (mid) low point as Bond, he was the closest to the classic Bond character than he ever got.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
The theme is simply lazy, and the score is uninspired. Along with From Russia with Love, this film has Barry's weakest score. In From Russia with Love, the score is a result of Barry's inexperience. For The Man with the Golden Gun, the score just lacks heart. Barry uses one theme for both action and love scenes, and he doesn't really do anything with it. The other cues just sound like filler. It sounds like he wrote the whole score very, very quickly and put no love into it. It's still a fine score because of the master that John Barry was, but I'm not surprised it was his least favourite.
(Still, that's no excuse for the slide whistle
It might not be his worst score but maybe his least favourite because of the experience of writing it (too short a timeframe, etc).
That is also a huge problem with the movie, it was done too quickly and it hadn't been done as well as it could've been. The script could've been improved and it was at this film where the Fleming material started to dry up. Had they waited a bit and found some fresh new ideas, it could've been the best one out of the bunch.
Britt Ekland as Goodnight isn't much more than a pretty face and she has but a decorative role in later scenes.
Guy Hamilton's directing doesn't feel as lively as it had been in Diamonds and Let Die. Looks like he didn't know his limitations as a director.
Andrea's character doesn't get the background that she deserves or how she got trapped with Scaramanga as, I'm sure, she'd be a very intriguing story.
I think that had there been no music for the car stunt, it would've been much better.
We all have our opinions and I can't change yours on the theme. I might like it that much because it's the one I heard the most and the one that grew the most on me. It's a shame that some cues were never released but they at least are pretty easy to find on YouTube (Bond arriving at Macau, A moment with Goodnight etc)
I don't find JW to be annoying but couldn't they think up a better story on how he would've been in an AMC car? I don't mind advertising, if it is the right product, but that is just lazy.
There is a lack of gadgets, and I think that they could've gotten away with Bond using his magnetic/saw Sub twice in a row. Or using Roger's cigar smoking habits in one shape or form. Yet, one could argue that the Golden Gun is "gadget-enough" for one film. Also, with Bond wearing a blue silky holster, he could've matched up the lining of his suit with it but that's just one of my crazy ideas. Speaking of which, why did he wear a double breasted suit for a stakeout in a possible assassination?
I will say that I think TMWTGG is the stronger film out of the 3 - mostly through Scaramanga, locations (non-US) and Barry's score.
"Better make that two."
I agree. The DAF score is miles ahead of the TMWTGG score. Martin's score is brilliant in its own way.
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
Roger Moore 1927-2017
FRWL is great, but when compared to all the others except for TMWTGG I can't see how it is in any way better than Barry's 9 other scores. The FRWL score has a more rudimentary sound rather than the more mature sound in Barry's later scores like OP and TLD.