Re-writing Quantum of Solace

Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
Let's say it's 2007, and you have a time machine. You are right next to Craig and Forster during the Writers' Strike and you could advise them. What would you say? How would you have rewrote the script.

Here are my ideas. What do you think?

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[*]Begin the film with Ian Fleming's "quantum of solace" quote to explain the title.[/*]
[*]Remove Strawberry Fields entirely from the script. She was just fan service.[/*]
[*]Remove Mathis entirely from the script. He wasn't relevant at all.[/*]
[*]Add scenes of a civil war in Bolivia beginning to break out due to the droughts, to show the impact of Greene's actions, with Bond/Camille escaping from the gunfire. Meanwhile Greene is at another charity conference selling solar energy to the public.[/*]
[*]Add scenes of M making dire phone calls and talks in her office, as no military wants to intervene (U.S. supports Medrano, Europe wants peace, British PM is upset as is with Bond's sloppy kills). M having to publicly scorn Bond in press conferences but privately hope for his success.[/*]
[*]After Greene is stranded and Medrano is killed, Bond and Camille fight off guerilla bandits and Quantum-funded police officers that chase them then proceed detonate the dams that were blocking the water flow.[/*]
[*]Instead of Bond driving Camille home, they sit together on the watery sand, have an in depth conversation about their lives/what happened and then embrace each other (instead of kiss) in love and fear as the scene fades away into the next Kazan, Russia scene.[/*]
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  • The Red KindThe Red Kind EnglandPosts: 3,336MI6 Agent
    Interesting post and thoughts AC.

    I definitely wouldn't have not had Mathis. I thought he worked well and the scenes he was involved in were some of the best in the film in my opinion.

    The blowing up the dam idea could have been good and is definitely a more traditional climax to a Bond film.

    QOS has really grown on me over the years and although it will never be top 5 or even 10, I do appreciate it more now and like the darkness of it.

    I wish more than anything they had chosen another artist and song though :#
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  • hot crossed bondhot crossed bond at the barPosts: 181MI6 Agent
    I would re cast Fields...take the rest as it is...use it as a stepping stone for future bond films...taking him out of the fantasy comicbook world and into the hard edged spy thriller world! we have had close to 40yrs of tongue in cheek...you can still find humour in the darkest of places
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  • hot crossed bondhot crossed bond at the barPosts: 181MI6 Agent
    love the song...the production can not be beat! one singer though...not either of the two that did it! Pink would have sung the sh#t out of it! and she was really coming into her own at that time
    I'm motivated by my duty
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I definitely wouldn't have not had Mathis. I thought he worked well and the scenes he was involved in were some of the best in the film in my opinion

    I feel the same way. -{
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    What exactly did Mathis add to the film?

    It felt like a nominal tie into Casino Royale? Craig could have easily gone to La Paz himself. Was the dumping of his body supposed to be a symbolization of how he's devolved since Vesper died? And the corrupt police stuffing him un-gagged in Bond's car without him making a sound the whole ride. There's plenty of other ways they could have disposed of him or killed Bond. And his last words being about Vesper rather than anything directly relevant to his own life. It all seems like a shallow device.
  • hot crossed bondhot crossed bond at the barPosts: 181MI6 Agent
    What exactly did Mathis add to the film?

    It felt like a nominal tie into Casino Royale? Craig could have easily gone to La Paz himself. Was the dumping of his body supposed to be a symbolization of how he's devolved since Vesper died? And the corrupt police stuffing him un-gagged in Bond's car without him making a sound the whole ride. There's plenty of other ways they could have disposed of him or killed Bond. And his last words being about Vesper rather than anything directly relevant to his own life. It all seems like a shallow device.
    mathis spoke of this...about getting confused...he had been in the game longer. the film was about the bad In the good...throughout
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I think the inclusion of Mathis in QOS is also intended to resolve unfinished business between him and Bond. There is some lingering doubt about whether Mathis truly betrayed Bond, and I believe Bond's farewell to Mathis shows that in the end Bond accepts that he was indeed an ally. In addition, the manner in which Mathis's body was disposed of, coming so soon after Bond took a moment to silently mourn his friend, brings vividly to life the ruthlessness of Bond's world. After all, as Bond says, Mathis would understand. To me it is a powerful scene and I'm glad it's included.
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • hot crossed bondhot crossed bond at the barPosts: 181MI6 Agent
    I think the inclusion of Mathis in QOS is also intended to resolve unfinished business between him and Bond. There is some lingering doubt about whether Mathis truly betrayed Bond, and I believe Bond's farewell to Mathis shows that in the end Bond accepts that he was indeed an ally. In addition, the manner in which Mathis's body was disposed of, coming so soon after Bond took a moment to silently mourn his friend, brings vividly to life the ruthlessness of Bond's world. After all, as Bond says, Mathis would understand. To me it is a powerful scene and I'm glad it's included.
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  • Moore ThanMoore Than EnglandPosts: 3,173MI6 Agent
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    I lost my thought process and posted by mistake. That's what happens when you get to a certain age......er, what was I saying? :D
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  • hot crossed bondhot crossed bond at the barPosts: 181MI6 Agent
    I believe...no I know it is the most precise bond film to date!
    I'm motivated by my duty
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Can we at least agree that the impact of Dominic Greene's actions should have been elaborated on. As far as the movie's concern, the only impact he had was droughting a village for one day.
  • hot crossed bondhot crossed bond at the barPosts: 181MI6 Agent
    it just wasn't one day...he had control of the water supply! money is money...how ever you get it! in this day and age it was showing a real villain! no water no people ...unrest! pay up
    I'm motivated by my duty
  • hot crossed bondhot crossed bond at the barPosts: 181MI6 Agent
    it put bond in the real world...water is the most important thing we have in the world! not gold! not diamonds not blimps with lasers...
    I'm motivated by my duty
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    A country without water that just have a coup would have civil unrest in the streets and guerillas fighting each not. Not just 20 people on line peacefully waiting for water.

    We both agree that monopolizing water would destroy a civilization. But the movie didn't show a destroyed civilization. Just an inconvenienced one.
  • hot crossed bondhot crossed bond at the barPosts: 181MI6 Agent
    it was in the middle stages...there was unrest...the general signing the papers...bond foiled it all
    I'm motivated by my duty
  • The Red KindThe Red Kind EnglandPosts: 3,336MI6 Agent
    I think the inclusion of Mathis in QOS is also intended to resolve unfinished business between him and Bond. There is some lingering doubt about whether Mathis truly betrayed Bond, and I believe Bond's farewell to Mathis shows that in the end Bond accepts that he was indeed an ally. In addition, the manner in which Mathis's body was disposed of, coming so soon after Bond took a moment to silently mourn his friend, brings vividly to life the ruthlessness of Bond's world. After all, as Bond says, Mathis would understand. To me it is a powerful scene and I'm glad it's included.

    +1 I think it also shows how selfless Mathis was in that his last thoughts and words were to console a friend, even in his dying breath.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,866Chief of Staff
    What exactly did Mathis add to the film?

    It felt like a nominal tie into Casino Royale?

    Mathis' presence in QoS is more than nominal. He speaks Fleming lines (always important) which weren't said in CR, and solidifies the link between the two movies as well as clarifying that Le Chiffre was not telling the truth about "my friend Mathis" which many people did not get at the time.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Opening car chase, as is but with Bond winking at one of the villains as they
    Drive side by side. As the villains car goes over the edge Bond quips .........
    ... " well, if you will live close to the edge" ;) releasing Mr White from the boot
    Bond passes him to a couple of guards, as couple of sexy secretaries, offer
    Bond a Martini,as he unclasps one of their bikini tops.
    Titles, something by Daniel Kleinman, loads of ladies, bending over and spinning
    Etc.
    Questioning of Mr White, as shot but adding. M castigating Bond over his
    Misuse of government property, namely the two secretaries ! Bond says something
    About them helping to "Stiffen the sinew" ;)
    Rooftop chase ( as shot) but when Bond has to cut through the bedroom of a house.
    A scantily clad young lady swoons as Bond passes by stopping only to raise an
    Eyebrow.
    Fight in building (as shot) but Bond kills Mitchell with a nail gun, sending him
    Falling to the floor. Bond quips " That should keep him pinned down" ;)
    Bond returns to find M gone ! and so on ........... :D
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,866Chief of Staff
    ...and for Gawd's sake change the title song!!!
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    Let's say it's 2007, and you have a time machine. You are right next to Craig and Forster during the Writers' Strike and you could advise them. What would you say? How would you have rewrote the script.

    Here are my ideas. What do you think?

    [list=*]
    [*]Begin the film with Ian Fleming's "quantum of solace" quote to explain the title.[/*]
    [*]Remove Strawberry Fields entirely from the script. She was just fan service.[/*]
    [*]Remove Mathis entirely from the script. He wasn't relevant at all.[/*]
    [*]Add scenes of a civil war in Bolivia beginning to break out due to the droughts, to show the impact of Greene's actions, with Bond/Camille escaping from the gunfire. Meanwhile Greene is at another charity conference selling solar energy to the public.[/*]
    [*]Add scenes of M making dire phone calls and talks in her office, as no military wants to intervene (U.S. supports Medrano, Europe wants peace, British PM is upset as is with Bond's sloppy kills). M having to publicly scorn Bond in press conferences but privately hope for his success.[/*]
    [*]After Greene is stranded and Medrano is killed, Bond and Camille fight off guerilla bandits and Quantum-funded police officers that chase them then proceed detonate the dams that were blocking the water flow.[/*]
    [*]Instead of Bond driving Camille home, they sit together on the watery sand, have an in depth conversation about their lives/what happened and then embrace each other (instead of kiss) in love and fear as the scene fades away into the next Kazan, Russia scene.[/*]
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    These are some great ideas!

    If I could rewrite the screenplay but had to keep the same basic elements while being given some latitude to add more, it would be something like this:

    1) Let the teaser be the opera sequence. Same basic idea, but Bond learns of Quantum and sees Green. He does not yet know that Haines is in on anything. He fights his way out but kills Haines' bodyguard, creating problems for M and the service.

    2) Let Bond interrogate White, who is on ice, who analyzes Bond for how he is suffering from Vesper's death. He offers to tell Bond who her boyfriend is in exchange for being set free. When Bond refuses, he tells him "We have people everywhere," to which Bond replies, "So does Her Majesty's government.'

    3) Growing criticism of Bond's killing of Haines' bodyguard, led by Haines himself, is putting pressure on M to ask for his resignation. But Felix Leiter is working on the Quantum angle in Bolivia and asks for Bond's assistance personally, thus at least temporarily saving his career. M continues to battle political forces at home.

    4) Bond gets pulled into the Medrano/Camille situation, much as he does in the film proper. Only he doesn't take Mathis with him, who first makes an an appearance at the party, when it's he that surprisingly saves Bond's life from Green. Strawberry Fields is an agent who works for Mathis but operates more on the periphery. Given White's words, Bond isn't certain he can trust either of them.

    5) Bond, still doubting Mathis, nonetheless finds himself working with the agent. The two narrowly escape several traps set by Green, one of which claims the life of Fields, who Bond has seduced. At home, M's bodyguard tries to kill her but is shot dead by other agents.

    6) Because of his knowledge of Quantum and the growing fear that MI:6 has been infiltrated and because the Americans have taken a lead on investigating the organization, the British government agrees to move White to Guantanamo Bay, where he might be subjected to a different style of interrogation. Jeffrey Beam is the agent in charge, and on the trip, orchestrates White's escape, betraying his own men.

    7) Bond, Mathis, Leiter, and Camille, along with Bolivian forces, attack the hotel where Medrano and Green are meeting. Mathis is gravely wounded by his traitorous colonel friend, who in turn is shot dead by Bond. At this point, they exchange much more clear words that indicate that Mathis was never a traitor but working to uncover how deep the organization now known as Quantum went. In that capacity, he could not trust anyone, including Bond. Camille kills Medrano while Felix rallies the loyal Bolivians to stop Green's and Medrano's men.

    8) Bond chases after Green, who has already lit out across the desert. When he catches up with him, Green is spilling the beans on Quantum to save his life. It becomes clear that he is stalling, but before Bond can decide what to do with him, Quantum agents operating under White's orders arrive. Bond narrowly escapes when Felix and Camille arrive with the Bolivian forces but not before spying White in one of the Quantum helicopters. Instead of saving Green, White's men execute him, leaving his body in the sand as they fly away.

    9) The Prime Minister orders the arrest of Haines, who is now known to operate with Quantum, but Haines attempts to flee by ship to a Balkan country that will provide him safe harbor. Bond, via submarine, tracks Haines and sneaks aboard the ship, where he finds White, Haines, and Beam. He dispatches Haines and Beam immediately, but White attempts to broker a deal with Bond by revealing where Vesper's boyfriend is. He further tells Bond that he has studied him and knows that Bond is too professional to kill him given that he is cooperating and will let him know whatever he wants. Bond tells him he is wrong and shoots White dead.

    10) Bond catches up with Vesper's boyfriend. Ironically, he has been in Venice the whole time. Bond has the opportunity to kill him, too, but knowing that by killing White he has cut the head from the serpent, Bond turns Vesper's boyfriend over to M to finish rounding up any Quantum agents. Later, Bond takes the sailboat from Casino Royale out for one last run. When he gets to sea, he tosses the necklace into the waters. Then he fields a call from M. Mathis will live, and Bond is to report back to London immediately for duty. She tells him that it is good to have him back. As he turns the boat toward shore, he informs her that he never left.
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    The only thing about the Film I'd change would be the title Theme :))
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Opening car chase, as is but with Bond winking at one of the villains as they
    Drive side by side. As the villains car goes over the edge Bond quips .........
    ... " well, if you will live close to the edge" ;) releasing Mr White from the boot
    Bond passes him to a couple of guards, as couple of sexy secretaries, offer
    Bond a Martini,as he unclasps one of their bikini tops.
    Titles, something by Daniel Kleinman, loads of ladies, bending over and spinning
    Etc.
    Questioning of Mr White, as shot but adding. M castigating Bond over his
    Misuse of government property, namely the two secretaries ! Bond says something
    About them helping to "Stiffen the sinew" ;)
    Rooftop chase ( as shot) but when Bond has to cut through the bedroom of a house.
    A scantily clad young lady swoons as Bond passes by stopping only to raise an
    Eyebrow.
    Fight in building (as shot) but Bond kills Mitchell with a nail gun, sending him
    Falling to the floor. Bond quips " That should keep him pinned down" ;)
    Bond returns to find M gone ! and so on ........... :D

    :)) :)) :)) :))

    Is anyone watching Matthew Almaric as ambassador Chapuys getting his bollocks chewed off by King /Henry VIII?

    QoS? To be honest no changes apart from the title song?
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,756Chief of Staff
    Barbel wrote:
    ...and for Gawd's sake change the title song!!!

    Where is that 'ban' button again....??... :v
    YNWA 97
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,756Chief of Staff
    The only thing about the Film I'd change would be the title Theme :))

    I'm sure it's round here somewhere..??.. :v
    YNWA 97
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    :)) :))
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,756Chief of Staff
    QoS? To be honest no changes apart from the title song?

    I'm sure to find it soon.... :v
    YNWA 97
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    I'd change everything after the chase across the rooftops. I'd keep the opera scene and the ending. Everything else would go. I'd have Bond investigating this organization that "has people everywhere" including inside the UK government.
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    If I could rewrite the screenplay but had to keep the same basic elements while being given some latitude to add more, it would be something like this:

    1 I'm fine with the opera scene being earlier but I think the opening scene should stay just as it was.

    2 Yes! Yes! Yes! I understand this movie wanted to achieve brevity but actual dialogue scenes could have really balanced it. Every single line in this movie is a one-liner unfortunately.

    3 Agree with detailing M's political struggles, like was done in Skyfall. USA could've opposed her for being pro-leftist government and Europe could have criticized her for intervening in a problem that wasn't their direct concern. Yet, M would state that 007 is perfectly needed because of conventional military's unwillingness to take action.

    4/5 Agree to add significance to White's words "we have people everywhere". Agree but Greene setting up traps (rather than being purely passive).

    6 Disagree. White escaping as he did was fine. This seems like a Rube Goldberg method of having him escape.

    7 Excellent. Much bigger climax. Much bigger action. Because it shows a grand scale - not just Bond and Camille

    8 Actually, I think the way Greene is handled by Bond was perfect. I wouldn't change it. Greene dying of thirst tempting to drink motor oil is quite iconic.

    9 EXCELLENT! It ties all the plot points together, so long as Haines is treated as a minor villain beneath Greene and White in terms of significance.

    10 Assuming Craig's dialogue toward the boyfriend and M stay the same, I'm game for that!
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    I could understand that. I want to move the opera scene forward not just because it's a good sequence but because it seems more like the teaser sequence to me -- it essentially has Bond on a mission doing something cool that opens the door to the rest of the story. He wears a tux, faces down the enemy, and is left with a reason to pursue the story further. The teaser sequence as it stands has some stunts, but it's so quick, I don't know that it really feels like a teaser.

    I'm still not sure how Quantum of Solace benefits from seeming to take place minutes after the previous film. Nothing in the tone of the film or timing of the plot elements requires it. On the other hand, if the idea is Bond is on to something months later and gets pulled into a story that also involves Vesper, that would work better for me.

    The reason I suggested the idea of White escaping with Beam's help is because I don't think his escape right now is all that compelling. I'd rather the film had bypassed the whole Bolivian water thing and just dealt with the idea that MI:6 might have been compromised. But, that element has to be kept, so I could see it more as a Macguffin than that main plot of the film. Although I like Beam as a problem character, I thought he was underused and didn't buy the idea of his being Felix's boss. Let him be a peripheral traitor actually working for Quantum, and it all feeds into White's threat.

    Modern film suffers from a desire to compress everything, to use shock instead of suspense, and to give lip service to ideas rather than to actually show them in action. There's enough story in the idea of MI:6 being compromised to make an entire film, but instead, there's a lot of meandering that makes Quantum of Solace struggle for an effective storyline. Rather than M's bodyguard taking a quick shot at her while he flees, I'd rather an actual sequence where she is in danger -- imagine her working late in her office, believing she is under watchful eye, only to realize her own bodyguard is trying to kill her. Imagine if it turns out Beam is working for Quantum, and now Bond doesn't know how far reaching the enemy's hold is . . . and even Felix might not be trustworthy.

    I wish Vesper would have figured into the story more, too. Right now, she's mentioned, and there's lot of talk about Bond's suffering, but I would have wanted to see more actual scene. The funny thing is that if the director hadn't been so determined to make the film brief, some of these scenes could have been included.
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