Totally agree. AJB Member "The Cat" used to compile these per-movie stats in graphs. Apart from total ticket sales, I also think that this should be taken into account as a percentage of total tickets sold for all movies during a given period, since there's been dramatically changing demographics among the world's movie going public due to socio-economic shifts and new segments and generations of movie-goers.
Then again, all of that would be issues of popularity and supply and demand and IMO that has diluted the "Bond essence" since DN. Don't get me wrong; as a movie Bond fan, I support practically all endeavors to draw in viewers and thus to sustain the series, since the alternative of ultimately watching Bond as I want to see him would require me to personally finance a production for this audience of one; that would be unlikely. I'll always have the Fleming books, as well as their audio versions to keep me satisfied.
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
Apart from total ticket sales, I also think that this should be taken into account as a percentage of total tickets sold for all movies during a given period, since there's been dramatically changing demographics among the world's movie going public due to socio-economic shifts and new segments and generations of movie-goers.
This is even more complicated that I thought.
I tend to view the mega blockbusters as Goldfinger/Thunderball and TSWLM+Moonraker. Without the latter two RM films being such a huge success it's hard to say if 007 would have survived the 80's.
My current 10 favorite:
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
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Apart from total ticket sales, I also think that this should be taken into account as a percentage of total tickets sold for all movies during a given period, since there's been dramatically changing demographics among the world's movie going public due to socio-economic shifts and new segments and generations of movie-goers.
This is even more complicated that I thought.
I tend to view the mega blockbusters as Goldfinger/Thunderball and TSWLM+Moonraker. Without the latter two RM films being such a huge success it's hard to say if 007 would have survived the 80's.
That came to mind after reading on Yahoo how the China box-office surpassed that of the US recently, realizing that that market has significantly grown in the past few decades and considering how socio-economics (and not forgetting politics) has hindered access to Chinese citizens in the past.
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
That came to mind after seeing on Yahoo how the China box-office surpassed that of the US recently, realizing that that market has significantly grown in the past few decades and considering how socio-economics (and not forgetting politics) has hindered access to Chinese citizens in the past.
Good. Chinese access to films like this will certainly lead to Democratic revolution. -{
That came to mind after seeing on Yahoo how the China box-office surpassed that of the US recently, realizing that that market has significantly grown in the past few decades and considering how socio-economics (and not forgetting politics) has hindered access to Chinese citizens in the past.
Good. Chinese access to films like this will certainly lead to Democratic revolution. -{
Elliot Carver was on the right track!
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
You got it the wrong way around. What matters is not the box office, but rather how true to Fleming the films are.
That's totally your personal opinion.
I guess, that Babs, Micky and the Sony guys would be on my side - they chose Craig and he was not fitting the literary Bond visually
Likewise, the reverse is your personal opinion. You don't like Dalton's performance? Fine, but come up with something a little more original than box office figures to back up your opinion. As you rightly point out, the die hard Fleming purists are but a small proportion of audiences for Bond films, so Dalton's success as Bond should not be judged by whether or not the general audience population liked him, but whether or not he has successfully transformed the literary character onto the big screen. Connery aside, he did that better than anyone else who has ever played Bond. The real shame is in having audiences who care nothing for Fleming's work.
I'm not talking about using the same plot as in the novels, I'm talking about using the same character as in the novels. James Bond is much more than just the name. Bond should be the same on screen as he is in print, in appearance, in behaviour, in mannerisms, preferences and vices. That's what makes the character, not the name.
That won't work as well.
Novel Bond was also in parts a sadist, an unfaithful macho - beating women and so on.
The literary Bond may very well be racist and misogynistic, but I do not believe that he can be described as a sadist. In fact, the opposite is true, he despises killing and when he had to, he did it as well as he knew how. I've never known Bond to use torture, let alone derive any form of pleasure from the suffering of others. I have also never known the literary Bond to beat women. That is an invention of the PC-brigade.
It's a shame about those People who will watch the Films, but wont read the Books. Or are even aware that the Character first appeared in the Printed Word.
1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
It's a shame about those People who will watch the Films, but wont read the Books. Or are even aware that the Character first appeared in the Printed Word.
I agree, but let me play Devil's Adv here for a second- have YOU ever read a Sherlock Holmes book? :v
but whether or not he has successfully transformed the literary character onto the big screen. Connery aside, he did that better than anyone else who has ever played Bond
....it may burst your bubble - that's your personal opinion and not a universal claim.
It may be one small interesting aspect which may interest <0,1% of the cinema audience and the remaining >99,9% just want to see a fantastic movie and give a rats arse about how accurate the literary hero is transferred to the screen.
and btt:
If EON would have decided to please these <0,1% they would be long gone out of business
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
....it may burst your bubble - that's your personal opinion and not a universal claim.
It may be one small interesting aspect which may interest <0,1% of the cinema audience and the remaining >99,9% just want to see a fantastic movie and give a rats arse about how accurate the literary hero is transferred to the screen.
Lets use Sherlock Holmes as an example.
Hollywood gives it a real makeover - American actor, female companion, superhero villain and set in a High school.
So many people will take against that version that it will not be Sherlock Holmes and becomes something different. If too many people take against it..
1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
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Titanic.
Phantom Menace.
Transformers.
Dead Man's Chest.
Transformers.
Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
I am finally getting around to watching the Saint TV series and can see why Roger was so popular. -{
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
Were they ?:)
I thought it was perceived that OHMSS didn't do very well at the box office...I'm sure you have said so many times.... :v
He should pack those hideous trainers up and burn them
Not yet :v
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
The chart shows that the box office grosses dropped 30% from MR to FYEO and then dropped another 10% with OP.
Audiences never accepted Sir Rog as a serious Bond.
The worse thing above this chart is how high Die another Day is
Its above OHMSS, FYEO and TLD
Oh calamity.Bad news for fans..
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
Totally agree. AJB Member "The Cat" used to compile these per-movie stats in graphs. Apart from total ticket sales, I also think that this should be taken into account as a percentage of total tickets sold for all movies during a given period, since there's been dramatically changing demographics among the world's movie going public due to socio-economic shifts and new segments and generations of movie-goers.
Then again, all of that would be issues of popularity and supply and demand and IMO that has diluted the "Bond essence" since DN. Don't get me wrong; as a movie Bond fan, I support practically all endeavors to draw in viewers and thus to sustain the series, since the alternative of ultimately watching Bond as I want to see him would require me to personally finance a production for this audience of one; that would be unlikely. I'll always have the Fleming books, as well as their audio versions to keep me satisfied.
This is even more complicated that I thought.
I tend to view the mega blockbusters as Goldfinger/Thunderball and TSWLM+Moonraker. Without the latter two RM films being such a huge success it's hard to say if 007 would have survived the 80's.
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
That came to mind after reading on Yahoo how the China box-office surpassed that of the US recently, realizing that that market has significantly grown in the past few decades and considering how socio-economics (and not forgetting politics) has hindered access to Chinese citizens in the past.
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
Elliot Carver was on the right track!
If that was true, they absolutely HATED Dalton
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Likewise, the reverse is your personal opinion. You don't like Dalton's performance? Fine, but come up with something a little more original than box office figures to back up your opinion. As you rightly point out, the die hard Fleming purists are but a small proportion of audiences for Bond films, so Dalton's success as Bond should not be judged by whether or not the general audience population liked him, but whether or not he has successfully transformed the literary character onto the big screen. Connery aside, he did that better than anyone else who has ever played Bond. The real shame is in having audiences who care nothing for Fleming's work.
The literary Bond may very well be racist and misogynistic, but I do not believe that he can be described as a sadist. In fact, the opposite is true, he despises killing and when he had to, he did it as well as he knew how. I've never known Bond to use torture, let alone derive any form of pleasure from the suffering of others. I have also never known the literary Bond to beat women. That is an invention of the PC-brigade.
Good for them.
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
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But have you seen the Journey to the Center of the Earth or the 2000 Leagues Under The Sea Film Adaptations and read the Books? :v
And they were GREAT!
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
....it may burst your bubble - that's your personal opinion and not a universal claim.
It may be one small interesting aspect which may interest <0,1% of the cinema audience and the remaining >99,9% just want to see a fantastic movie and give a rats arse about how accurate the literary hero is transferred to the screen.
and btt:
If EON would have decided to please these <0,1% they would be long gone out of business
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Lets use Sherlock Holmes as an example.
Hollywood gives it a real makeover - American actor, female companion, superhero villain and set in a High school.
So many people will take against that version that it will not be Sherlock Holmes and becomes something different. If too many people take against it..
The Sherlock TV series is highly successful and I enjoy watching it and I did read the books.
Is that Sherlock figure faithful to the books? Hell no, but who really cares with the exception of some borderline fundamentalists?
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!