Goldeneye and TWINE collected from the same pool it donated to.
Every post-You Only Live Twice is a mixture of at least 2 or more previous Bond films.
Or else it's "not Bond" (i.e. LTK is too much Miami Vice ; QoS is too Jason Bourne). This is making me appreciate From Russia With Love even more. FRWL was perhaps the only Bond film to not follow the formula. It was its own thing.
Goldeneye and TWINE collected from the same pool it donated to.
Every post-You Only Live Twice is a mixture of at least 2 or more previous Bond films.
Or else it's "not Bond" (i.e. LTK is too much Miami Vice ; QoS is too Jason Bourne). This is making me appreciate From Russia With Love even more. FRWL was perhaps the only Bond film to not follow the formula. It was its own thing.
It's interesting how the EON writers have introduced these MI6 moles and traitors in the films (GE, SF, DAD, etc.). Something Fleming never really bothered with much in his books. There's Smythe in Octopussy, but not much else. His villains were always foreign gangsters and spies outright or masquerading (Drax/GF).
In his day there was Philby, Burgess And Maclean, but he never used that type material as a basis for his plots. It's interesting how the EON writers had decided to work this into some of the films and particularly all the Craig entries. I wonder where this idea orginated.
After SPECTRE, it would be nice if they would jettison the traitors theme and get back to just Bond vs some foreign villains.
Agreed with Fleming, Britain was always the good guys. You could depend
On Britain doing the right thing, as with Major Dexter-Smythe. When the
Authorities discovered his wrong doing, he was tracked down for punishment.
In the continuing novels , especially the J Gardner novels, there were loads of
Double and triple agents.
I myself am not a fan of all the double agents, and would prefer more of the Fleming
Take on foreign villains out to do Britain harm.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
After SPECTRE, it would be nice if they would jettison the traitors theme and get back to just Bond vs some foreign villains.
Disagree. Bond going after villains has been done many times before.In this day and age the traitors can be a realistic. I seem to remember The Property of a Lady being about a traitor at MI6 and the sale of the faberge egg there to pay her off..
1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
Agreed with Fleming, Britain was always the good guys. You could depend
On Britain doing the right thing, as with Major Dexter-Smythe. When the
Authorities discovered his wrong doing, he was tracked down for punishment. In the continuing novels , especially the J Gardner novels, there were loads of
Double and triple agents.
I myself am not a fan of all the double agents, and would prefer more of the Fleming
Take on foreign villains out to do Britain harm.
A Plot Device he relied too much on after IB though.
1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
Brosnan's films would have been worse if he tried to be a goofy Bond on top of all the goofiness in the script already.
Brosnan was fine the way he was.
I agree. Brosnan did the best he could with what he was given and I really think he had the makings of a solid Bond if there had been more consistency in the tone of his movies. I appreciate the fact that he tries to bring weight and gravitas to the role, while still injecting some wit and humor into the proceedings. Connery was able to strike the perfect balance, in my opnion, but I think he had more chemistry with the writers and directors he worked with than Brosnan, and that goes a long way.
It's interesting how the EON writers have introduced these MI6 moles and traitors in the films (GE, SF, DAD, etc.). Something Fleming never really bothered with much in his books. There's Smythe in Octopussy, but not much else. His villains were always foreign gangsters and spies outright or masquerading (Drax/GF).
In his day there was Philby, Burgess And Maclean, but he never used that type material as a basis for his plots. It's interesting how the EON writers had decided to work this into some of the films and particularly all the Craig entries. I wonder where this idea orginated.
After SPECTRE, it would be nice if they would jettison the traitors theme and get back to just Bond vs some foreign villains.
Hmmm, the villains in the Craig Bonds have been Le Chiffre (French or some other kind of continental) Green (French) and Silva (Spanish). Mr. White is sort of undetermined but he's played by a Scandinavian actor. As for henchmen/lackeys, Dimitrios in CR was Greek, General Medrano (QOS) was Bolivian, Vesper's boyfriend (QOS) looks decidely non-British and his name is Kabira, and Patrice (SF) doesn't sound too British.
I think EON is doing its bit in terms of upholding British chauvanism. )
Also, Kim Philby was a good friend of Fleming's. I always wonder how he took that.
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It's interesting how the EON writers have introduced these MI6 moles and traitors in the films (GE, SF, DAD, etc.). Something Fleming never really bothered with much in his books. There's Smythe in Octopussy, but not much else. His villains were always foreign gangsters and spies outright or masquerading (Drax/GF).
In his day there was Philby, Burgess And Maclean, but he never used that type material as a basis for his plots. It's interesting how the EON writers had decided to work this into some of the films and particularly all the Craig entries. I wonder where this idea orginated.
After SPECTRE, it would be nice if they would jettison the traitors theme and get back to just Bond vs some foreign villains.
Hmmm, the villains in the Craig Bonds have been Le Chiffre (French or some other kind of continental) Green (French) and Silva (Spanish). Mr. White is sort of undetermined but he's played by a Scandinavian actor. As for henchmen/lackeys, Dimitrios in CR was Greek, General Medrano (QOS) was Bolivian, Vesper's boyfriend (QOS) looks decidely non-British and his name is Kabira, and Patrice (SF) doesn't sound too British.
I think EON is doing its bit in terms of upholding British chauvanism. )
Also, Kim Philby was a good friend of Fleming's. I always wonder how he took that.
3 out of 3 consecutive films in which traitors play in key plot elements, that's too frequent.
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
If you add on DAD, Miranda Frost, Double agent
TWINE, Electra King, mole in her Fathers company
Even GE, had the traitor Alec Trevelyan.
Maybe the writers are capitalizing on the general distrust of the government among Millennials :v
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
It's interesting how the EON writers have introduced these MI6 moles and traitors in the films (GE, SF, DAD, etc.). Something Fleming never really bothered with much in his books. There's Smythe in Octopussy, but not much else. His villains were always foreign gangsters and spies outright or masquerading (Drax/GF).
In his day there was Philby, Burgess And Maclean, but he never used that type material as a basis for his plots. It's interesting how the EON writers had decided to work this into some of the films and particularly all the Craig entries. I wonder where this idea orginated.
After SPECTRE, it would be nice if they would jettison the traitors theme and get back to just Bond vs some foreign villains.
Hmmm, the villains in the Craig Bonds have been Le Chiffre (French or some other kind of continental) Green (French) and Silva (Spanish). Mr. White is sort of undetermined but he's played by a Scandinavian actor. As for henchmen/lackeys, Dimitrios in CR was Greek, General Medrano (QOS) was Bolivian, Vesper's boyfriend (QOS) looks decidely non-British and his name is Kabira, and Patrice (SF) doesn't sound too British.
I think EON is doing its bit in terms of upholding British chauvanism. )
Also, Kim Philby was a good friend of Fleming's. I always wonder how he took that.
3 out of 3 consecutive films in which traitors play in key plot elements, that's too frequent.
Vesper was a Fleming creation, you'll have to take it up with him. Mitchell had about five minutes of screen time. Silva's not a traitor and he's not British--he's not betraying anybody. In Skyfall, the betrayal lies elsewhere (with M).
But you're right there have never been any double agents/traitors in the pre-Craig Bond films except for Professor Dent, Rosie Carver, Zukovsky (or was he a triple agent?), Kristatos, Trevelyan, Miranda Frost, Leiter's partner in LTK and probably others.
But it's true that trust and betrayal are strong themes in Craig's Bond films.
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Scripts he got.
Every post-You Only Live Twice is a mixture of at least 2 or more previous Bond films.
Or else it's "not Bond" (i.e. LTK is too much Miami Vice ; QoS is too Jason Bourne). This is making me appreciate From Russia With Love even more. FRWL was perhaps the only Bond film to not follow the formula. It was its own thing.
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Pros and Cons Compendium (50 Years)
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Pros and Cons Compendium (50 Years)
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Pros and Cons Compendium (50 Years)
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You may be right.The one film he did intercede with is TWINE and look how that turned out..
{[] One of his best performances. Also The Tailor of Panama.
As per the post title, Pierce was not to blame. The problems were the scripts, direction, supporting cast (amongst other things..)
Too Hitchcock.
In his day there was Philby, Burgess And Maclean, but he never used that type material as a basis for his plots. It's interesting how the EON writers had decided to work this into some of the films and particularly all the Craig entries. I wonder where this idea orginated.
After SPECTRE, it would be nice if they would jettison the traitors theme and get back to just Bond vs some foreign villains.
On Britain doing the right thing, as with Major Dexter-Smythe. When the
Authorities discovered his wrong doing, he was tracked down for punishment.
In the continuing novels , especially the J Gardner novels, there were loads of
Double and triple agents.
I myself am not a fan of all the double agents, and would prefer more of the Fleming
Take on foreign villains out to do Britain harm.
Disagree. Bond going after villains has been done many times before.In this day and age the traitors can be a realistic. I seem to remember The Property of a Lady being about a traitor at MI6 and the sale of the faberge egg there to pay her off..
A Plot Device he relied too much on after IB though.
I agree. Brosnan did the best he could with what he was given and I really think he had the makings of a solid Bond if there had been more consistency in the tone of his movies. I appreciate the fact that he tries to bring weight and gravitas to the role, while still injecting some wit and humor into the proceedings. Connery was able to strike the perfect balance, in my opnion, but I think he had more chemistry with the writers and directors he worked with than Brosnan, and that goes a long way.
Hmmm, the villains in the Craig Bonds have been Le Chiffre (French or some other kind of continental) Green (French) and Silva (Spanish). Mr. White is sort of undetermined but he's played by a Scandinavian actor. As for henchmen/lackeys, Dimitrios in CR was Greek, General Medrano (QOS) was Bolivian, Vesper's boyfriend (QOS) looks decidely non-British and his name is Kabira, and Patrice (SF) doesn't sound too British.
I think EON is doing its bit in terms of upholding British chauvanism.
Also, Kim Philby was a good friend of Fleming's. I always wonder how he took that.
CR-Vesper, Mole
QoS-Mitchell, Mole
SF-Silva, Traitor
3 out of 3 consecutive films in which traitors play in key plot elements, that's too frequent.
TWINE, Electra King, mole in her Fathers company
Even GE, had the traitor Alec Trevelyan.
Maybe the writers are capitalizing on the general distrust of the government among Millennials :v
Could be - but I think it goes back to the original point: tired, tired, repetitive writing.
I chalk it up to misplaced modesty.
Vesper was a Fleming creation, you'll have to take it up with him. Mitchell had about five minutes of screen time. Silva's not a traitor and he's not British--he's not betraying anybody. In Skyfall, the betrayal lies elsewhere (with M).
But you're right there have never been any double agents/traitors in the pre-Craig Bond films except for Professor Dent, Rosie Carver, Zukovsky (or was he a triple agent?), Kristatos, Trevelyan, Miranda Frost, Leiter's partner in LTK and probably others.
But it's true that trust and betrayal are strong themes in Craig's Bond films.