Pros and Cons: License to Kill

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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    LTK I think did feel a bit generic in the first 30 minutes but after that it paced very well.

    How is it generic, and what does being generic have to do with pacing?
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Well, it felt like a typical DEA raid action movie at first. I mean the pacing wasn't as bad as watching Moore **** around with horses for 50 minutes in AVTAK, but when it came to Dalton being a straight-up spy and assassin for the 2nd half of the movie, that's where I totally lose track of time watching it.
  • GrindelwaldGrindelwald Posts: 1,341MI6 Agent
    It makes sense they'd have a ninja scene , it was the 80s ninja boom ;)

    I liked Newton and they prolly needed him to lighten the mood a bit....unlike say JW Pepper who wasn't really needed in TMWTGG 8-)

    Cons : the first generic photoshop movie poster.......
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    The first Underwater Scene leads to one of the best Stunts in the Film -{
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  • Lady IceLady Ice Posts: 279MI6 Agent
    Cons;

    Lupe and her love for James
    Della and her lust for James - she fancies him more than Leiter!

    Wedding party music and dad-dancing by the pool
    Dirty love music and the corny bar room brawl
    "Things were about to turn Nast-ay"
    End title music
    Winking fish, yes I said winking!

    Pros;

    Everything else especially Sanchez

    Can you blame her? Leiter is ancient!
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    Many a good tune played on an old fiddle. ;)
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    :))
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Just watched now...
    There are two things that make this movie my 2nd choice for favourite Bond movie behind TLD.
    First: I generally love Michael Kamen's work, but here he delivers a generic 'Kamen' score with rather bland Bond flourishes.
    Second: I don't know if it was the DOP, or the fact that most of it was in daylight, or if it was the smaller budget, but it looks a bit less textured than the previous entry.
    That said, it was pretty awesome, again. I never tire of this flick. Mainly because of Dalton.
    9/10
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  • The Wicker ManThe Wicker Man EnglandPosts: 434MI6 Agent
    This is another film that has steadily moved up in my estimation over the years. Its in my top 5. I do tend to enjoy watching the films that show a darker side to Bond's character. Yes the film is so 1980's it should age badly, but overall it hasn't aged badly for me. Yes it's basically just a simple revenge story but it's a simple revenge story that is well plotted and you care about, helped by a great cast (mostly) and exciting stunts leading up to a fantastic conclusion. But for me the main reason I rate it so highly is Timothy Dalton. For me the second greatest Bond behind Connery. But if Dalton had the chance to do 4 or 5 Bond films he would probably be number 1 (sorry Higgins). -{
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  • Lady IceLady Ice Posts: 279MI6 Agent
    I like that the plot doesn't feel too convoluted; it's a clear revenge plot.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    "Don't you want to know why-?"
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    'Watch the Birdie you Bastard!'
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  • MajorBoothroydMajorBoothroyd A World Without WantPosts: 81MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Just watched now...
    There are two things that make this movie my 2nd choice for favourite Bond movie behind TLD.
    First: I generally love Michael Kamen's work, but here he delivers a generic 'Kamen' score with rather bland Bond flourishes.
    Second: I don't know if it was the DOP, or the fact that most of it was in daylight, or if it was the smaller budget, but it looks a bit less textured than the previous entry.
    That said, it was pretty awesome, again. I never tire of this flick. Mainly because of Dalton.
    9/10
    I loved that it had a smaller budget, it was like a throwback to dr.no and FRWL :)
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  • hehadlotsofgutshehadlotsofguts Durham England Posts: 2,112MI6 Agent
    Pros

    A gritty revenge thriller and Tim is at his best in this film

    Dario is a great henchman

    Sanchez is a well written villain. He could be your best friend or your worst enemy, depending on whether you were in his circle of trust or not

    Krest's death is actually terrifying, the anticipation of what's coming is really unsettling. We've seen Bond stash the money in the pressure chamber and Krest trying unsuccessfully to explain how the money was stolen without sounding as if he's lying.

    cons

    Has the look of a tv film.

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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    I loved that it had a smaller budget, it was like a throwback to dr.no and FRWL :)
    I've often thought that too. -{
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  • DR NO-ahDR NO-ah AustraliaPosts: 104MI6 Agent
    Pros:
    "Don't worry, we gave her a nice honeymoooon"

    Cons:
    "Don't worry, we gave her a nice honeymoooon"
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    DR NO-ah wrote:
    Pros:
    "Don't worry, we gave her a nice honeymoooon"

    Cons:
    "Don't worry, we gave her a nice honeymoooon"
    That & Field's lungs filled with oil. Two nastiest moments in Bond history IMO.
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  • WadsyWadsy Auckland, New ZealandPosts: 412MI6 Agent
    Licence To Kill is an excellent movie, and Timothy Dalton is just terrible... uh er I mean terrific at playing Bond. :))

    This film has been so heavily criticized since it's release, and whether this was the reason that Bond went on a 6 year hiatus in the early 90's, I don't know. Whatever the case, Dalton is my pick for the best Bond and this film, along with The Living Daylights are both in my top five.

    Pro's:

    - Timothy Dalton's performance
    - The darker tone to this film, and realistic plot
    - Sanchez is one of the greatest villains of the entire series
    - One of the best Bond films of the entire series
    - Enjoyable, entertaining and never a dull moment
    - Honorable sequel to On Her Majesty's Secret Service, which we never got. An awesome revenge thriller
    - Like in Octopussy, 'Q' gets an extended role

    Cons:

    - Both Bond girls were quite weak, uninspired and wooden (especially Talisa Sato)
    - Locations were cheap, and the worst of the 1980's Bonds / tied with Octopussy's locales
    - The underwater and ocean scenes (basically the first half) were less interesting than the rest of the movie
    - Score by Michael Kamin is nowhere near as good as John Barry
    - 'M' was a complete jerk on this film, treating the world's best agent as a complete waste of space
    - Caroline Bliss as 'Moneypenny' hardly got 2 minutes on screen
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  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    the best thing about LTK occured to me yesterday: Bond torches Sanchez, killing him and then all folks gather to throw a party at SANCHEZ' HOUSE! :))
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  • ToTheRightToTheRight Posts: 314MI6 Agent
    Quite simply put LTK is one of my favorite Bonds- easily in my top ten and I've been a firm supporter of this films since it opened. The things many have criticized about this film....since the day it came out.... I tend to appreciate.
    Here's a couple examples-
    Pros:
    The grittiness and look of this film as seen in the cinema was a departure from what had come before. LTK had a very dirty look to it that's hard to describe.
    It sort of recalls the Charles Bronsan Death Wish films, but not really. More like a Dirty Harry film or even a Cannon Film from that era. Fine grain and deep contrasts. However, once we get to the casino scenes only then are we returning to the glamour and technicolor of the 60s films. Talisa's dress is a very rich red. No, the blu-ray doesn't look like it did in cinema. It's been cleaned up immensely.

    Dalton's hair. I have to defend this one....uh at least as much as I can. Given the Dirty Harry/Sudden Impact look and feel of Licence, Tim here is actually sporting the Clint Eastwood haircut. Longish on the sides and full in the back, big sideburns and somewhat thin on top. With the right product it would have looked bada$$ like Clint's in THE ENFORCER. However, they just let it either hang down naturally or slicked it back. Just a case of the wrong style for that cut.
    This leads to to the clothes. The costume designer really was intending on putting Tim in pastels- Miami Vice style, but Dalton stuck as close as he could to Fleming. Bond wears mostly single breasted blue suits....and here we go on the the cons.

    Cons:

    Those blue suits a'la Fleming do seem a bit loose here on Tim.
    As Roger Moore might say "Pity you couldn't find one that fits".

    The biggest con for me is changing the title from Licence Revoked to Licence To Kill.
    I much preferred the original title, as LTK is too similar to AVTAK. LTK is generic, but not as bad as DAD.
    Also I really miss John Barry here. This is the first film in which there were no instrumental versions of the main title track used during the film. A big void there.
    Sadly that would begin a trend for later films. I suppose that's what you get when the song is written after the film has been scored.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    It's my #3 Bond film. -{
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    It's my #3 Bond film. -{
    It's my # 2. HAH! So there! :))
    If Barry had done the score it'd be my # 1. B-)
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    Anyone else find the bar-fight a hilarious scene?
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Anyone else find the bar-fight a hilarious scene?
    Me. :))
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    Anyone else find the bar-fight a hilarious scene?

    Was quite disappointed with Dalton's comic take on the swordfish through the tabletop. A screwball comedy moment, IMO, in an gritty revenge vehicle. Pulled the missile off course, to my mind. That, and the wheelie-poppin' big rig are two major 'cons' for me.

    Pro: "He disagreed with something that ate him."

    A lot to like in this one overall. The huge nod to Kurosawa's Yojimbo works in this milieu.
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  • Bondage007Bondage007 AustraliaPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    I think the tanker on two wheels is a highlight. And it was done for real, although with some help, just like the Aston flip in CR.

    That's the thing about Glen films, lots of great action scenes. The PTS fishing scene is great too
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    edited October 2015
    Pros:

    -Dalton is fully believable as Dark Bond.
    -Felix Leiter.
    -Dario is a fantastic Bond hechman (hard props for Benicio del Toro).
    -Carey Lowell looks great.
    -Solid chemistry between Dalton and Lowell.

    Cons:

    -I find Sanchez an average villain. He's too much of a slimeball. The fact that he references The Godfather doesn't help (it's unoriginal and feels unnecessary).
    -The scene with the ninjas is too sudden.
    -It kinda feels like a TV movie.

    Overall, I like LtK, and give it an 8/10.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Overall, I like LtK, and give it an 8/10.
    Give it a 9/10 and I'll give you a cookie... :p
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    edited October 2015
    chrisisall wrote:
    Overall, I like LtK, and give it an 8/10.
    Give it a 9/10 and I'll give you a cookie... :p

    I could like it more eventually, I guess that can happen with Bond movies.

    Btw, it rocks that from the moment the gunbarrel music comes on, you know the movie's gonna be dark.

    Thoughts on the song by Gladys Knight?
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent

    Thoughts on the song by Gladys Knight?
    Suitably dour. :007)
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