Bond knows Blofeld from his childhood?

Dutchfinger

It took me some minutes to sink in, but after thinking some more about the teaser trailer I came to the conclusion that Bond knows Blofeld from his childhood. Maybe it was obvious to others, or I'm just a bit slow in catching up, but when the picture is shown of Bond's ski teacher Oberhauser with the two kids, one of the kids is missing the head because the picture is damaged. I think the other kid is supposed to be Blofeld. Thats why in the end of the trailer he says it's been a long time!

I like where they brought Bond if my theory is correct!

Sir Miles

That's a big spoiler in your thread headline - IF it's true...you may want to alter it before people start to complain...

Smithers500

Dutchfinger wrote:

It took me some minutes to sink in, but after thinking some more about the teaser trailer I came to the conclusion that Bond knows Blofeld from his childhood. Maybe it was obvious to others, or I'm just a bit slow in catching up, but when the picture is shown of Bond's ski teacher Oberhauser with the two kids, one of the kids is missing the head because the picture is damaged. I think the other kid is supposed to be Blofeld. Thats why in the end of the trailer he says it's been a long time!

I like where they brought Bond if my theory is correct!

I don't - long feared any possible connection between Bond and Blofeld in this rebooted universe- still hoping that this doesn't come to fruition...

Dutchfinger

Sir Miles wrote:

That's a big spoiler in your thread headline - IF it's true...you may want to alter it before people start to complain...

It does have the question mark, and nothing is confirmed, but yes if people think my theory spoils to much I will alter it, didn't mean to do that. I just kind of assumed everybody here watched the teaser anyway I guess :P

But still, what do you guys think of the theory?

SFPROPS

I think Bond knows "Oberhauser" from his childhood, given that in the books Bond stayed with the Oberhauser's as a young man. I'm guessing Waltz's character is Hannes Oberhauser's real son. Bond was never adopted by Hannes Oberhauser, IIRC.

Shatterfang

DO YOU REALIZE THE GRAVITY IF THAT WERE TRUE? Bond would be Blofeld's brother, so 007 WOULD BE PARRODYING AUSTIN POWERS.


THE WORLD WOULD EXPLODE

SFPROPS

Shatterfang: You are making several assumptions there, several of which are probably not true even if Bond knew Oberhauser from the past.

Fitzochris

Shatterfang wrote:

DO YOU REALIZE THE GRAVITY IF THAT WERE TRUE? Bond would be Blofeld's brother, so 007 WOULD BE PARRODYING AUSTIN POWERS.


THE WORLD WOULD EXPLODE

It is true, so yes, I await the second Big Bang.

Fitzochris

SFPROPS wrote:

Shatterfang: You are making several assumptions there, several of which are probably not true even if Bond knew Oberhauser from the past.

No assumptions. It is in the script.

Dutchfinger

Shatterfang wrote:

DO YOU REALIZE THE GRAVITY IF THAT WERE TRUE? Bond would be Blofeld's brother, so 007 WOULD BE PARRODYING AUSTIN POWERS.


THE WORLD WOULD EXPLODE

The wouldn't be brothers by blood, Oberhauser Jr. would be the son of a man that took custody over Bond. But obviously they do have history together and they probably were like family. I like the idea of Bond and his arch nemesis going way back.

Shatterfang

if he was oberhauser's son, hed be closer to Bond's age. I think he is the original Obenhauser, the adult in the photo.

also that person's photo was too perfectly burn off to have been an accident in the blast. Mi6 has been infiltrated by spectre again. Remember Quantum said 'we have people everywhere'. Well i am going out on a limb and say Dembigh (The actor who plays Moriarty on BBC Sherlock) is an inside operative, he burned the photo when it got to forensics.

Shatterfang

that is exactly what im doing and what this website is designed to do! SPECULATE would be a better word than Asume.

But I know that Oberhauser is Bond's ski instructor from the original books

Dutchfinger

Shatterfang wrote:

if he was oberhauser's son, hed be closer to Bond's age. I think he is the original Obenhauser, the adult in the photo.

also that person's photo was too perfectly burn off to have been an accident in the blast. Mi6 has been infiltrated by spectre again. Remember Quantum said 'we have people everywhere'. Well i am going out on a limb and say Dembigh (The actor who plays Moriarty on BBC Sherlock) is an inside operative, he burned the photo when it got to forensics.

Yes that is my theory exactly. Oberhauser is the man that took custody over Bond and Oberhauser Jr. (Blofeld - Chris Waltz) is his real son. I only pointed out that that wouldn't make Bond and Blofeld brothers by blood.

I am also under the impression that Quantum is not part of Spectre, Mr. White almost seems to fear Spectre in the trailer, but he defenitely seems to be aware of them when he sees the ring.

Shatterfang

whatr you talking about? I didn't asume anything about nothing in that comment! I was telling him about it

In Austin Powers 3: Goldmember, Dr. Evil (Blofeld parody) ends up being Austin Powers (007 parody) brother

Shatterfang

You think Waltz is playing Obenhauser Jr. / Blofeld. I think Waltz is playing Obenhauser senior (not blofeld but potentially the new leader of spectre)!

The picture shows a little boy, an adult, and to the right: someone who is either a woman or another kid (about 3 to 4 years older than the boy on the left). I don't think its another kid. I think it is Bond's mother, and the one in the middle is the father.
If you've read Carte Blanche the novel, there is a reason behind this [i will only spoil if you ask me to]. but i am pretty sure Christoph Waltz is too old to be the one with the burnt face in the picture. he could possibly be the one in the middle (the full grown adult).

As for custody over bond, we already know bond was raised by kincade at skyfall.

Quantum would be a smaller branch of Spectre, like in a pyramid scheme you have different levels of power. that is why white is scared, but he still worked for them.


I think Oberhauser is not named blofeld, but he is the new leader of spectre in this reimagining. From the trailer he is all too menacing for me to care if his name is blofeld, or that he doesn't have a cat, and isn't bald. he's a completely new leader of spectre and he amazing!

Dutchfinger

Shatterfang wrote:

You think Waltz is playing Obenhauser Jr. / Blofeld. I think Waltz is playing Obenhauser senior (not blofeld but potentially the new leader of spectre)!

The picture shows a little boy, an adult, and to the right: someone who is either a woman or another kid (about 3 to 4 years older than the boy on the left). I don't think its another kid. I think it is Bond's mother, and the one in the middle is the father.
If you've read Carte Blanche the novel, there is a reason behind this [i will only spoil if you ask me to]. but i am pretty sure Christoph Waltz is too old to be the one with the burnt face in the picture. he could possibly be the one in the middle (the full grown adult).

As for custody over bond, we already know bond was raised by kincade at skyfall.

Quantum would be a smaller branch of Spectre, like in a pyramid scheme you have different levels of power. that is why white is scared, but he still worked for them.


I think Oberhauser is not named blofeld, but he is the new leader of spectre in this reimagining. From the trailer he is all too menacing for me to care if his name is blofeld, or that he doesn't have a cat, and isn't bald. he's a completely new leader of spectre and he amazing!

I too at first thought about Bonds parents. But if im not mistaken the guy in the middle was holding ski's suggesting hes Oberhauser and I believe the documents on the left of the picture said something about custody over Bond. (ill check later) So maybe on a different stage of his life he had the custody instead of kingcade. I do believe Chris. Waltz could easily he Daniels age despite the grey hair, but to be fair if hes oberhauser sr, that COULD also be plausible.

MilleniumForce

My theory: Oberhauser was a close friend of the Bond's and adopted James when his parents died. Maybe he trained Blofeld to ski (a nice reference to OHMSS there), but was involved in SPECTRE. Blofeld then takes Oberhauser's name when he is older, after killing the ski instructor for not killing Bond?

Gala Brand

Shatterfang wrote:

DO YOU REALIZE THE GRAVITY IF THAT WERE TRUE? Bond would be Blofeld's brother, so 007 WOULD BE PARRODYING AUSTIN POWERS.


THE WORLD WOULD EXPLODE

If you read the piece of paper Bond's holding at the beginning, you'll see that Charmain Bond was his permanent guardian and Oberholtzer was his temporary guardian. Which would make Oberholtzer, Jr. and Bond not related at all.

Shatterfang

or there is no oberhauser jr. and it is just oberhauser senior, with waltz being the guy in the picture

Dutchfinger

Shatterfang wrote:

or there is no oberhauser jr. and it is just oberhauser senior, with waltz being the guy in the picture

Well, Chris Waltz did say his characters name is Franz Oberhauser, so he could im fact be the son of Hannes Oberhauser (original name)

Gala Brand

I thought it was ironic that Moneypenny accuses Bond of not trusting anybody when she was the one who shot him. ) ) )

Thunderpussy

God !, you shoot somebody once and they hold it against you for life ! )

The Bond Vivant

Fitzochris- I really hope that this isn't true. Your spoiler hiding is very poor...

This is how you hide spoilers...

No assumptions. It is in the script.

I hope that you haven't ruined the surprise for some of us...

MB

Shatterfang: You are making several assumptions there, several of which are probably not true even if Bond knew Oberhauser from the past.

No assumptions. It is in the script.

Thunderpussy

Using movie logic, when two friends know each other and then separate
For a time, one always becomes evil, the same with twins.

AlphaOmegaSin

I'm hoping there not Blood related.

Thunderpussy

I honestly can't see it. I would be genuinely shocked if they tried to
Sell that to the Bond community.

Number24

This is my take on it: The picture shows Oberhauser sr. and jr. with young James. Bond burnt his own face from the picture, a plausible reaction from an orphan growing up in foster homes. The theory that Oberhauser jr. was legally adopted and his real name is Blofeld is new to me an very interesting.

AlphaOmegaSin

At the Moment, that seems like a plausible Theory.

Shatterfang

no bond was legally adopted. the burnt face could be someone on the end side. remember, quantum said 'we have people everywhere'. I think it is Andrew Scott's character Denbigh who burns it after it gets to forensics.

Number24

The document in the trailer says "Order of temporary guardianship", not adoption. What do you base your view on?

It's possible that someone working for SPECTRE burnt the face on the photo, but I'm guessing not.

Kent007

I assumed it was Waltz in the photo but the fact the photo was damaged suggests there could be a twist to it. I also assumed the man was Oberhauser Senior.

I think we can say that Bond knows Waltz' character from his childhood but I hope they're not brothers. They can be brother-like figures but I hope they're not actual brothers.

Also, is Waltz even Blofeld? It certainly seemed to suggest it but could it be a red herring and in fact Waltz is just the face of the organisation but the brains.