For Your Eyes Only looks pretty dated and The Spy Who Loved Me looks very much of a certain period- but not in an iconic way. Part of the problem is the era: I think the sixties are more iconic than the seventies.
GoldenEye looks oddly dated with the technology but I think it generally stands up.
For Your Eyes Only looks pretty dated and The Spy Who Loved Me looks very much of a certain period- but not in an iconic way. Part of the problem is the era: I think the sixties are more iconic than the seventies.
GoldenEye looks oddly dated with the technology but I think it generally stands up.
I think FYEO holds up very well except for the score. What makes it look dated to you? At least the costume in FYEO holds up very well and the people don't look ridiculous.
Dated is not necessarily bad. There's nothing wrong about Dr. No taking you back to the 1950's atmosphere or TSWLM taking you back to the detente era. There's even nothing wrong with going back to TLD when the Taliban were the good guys. That's part of what it makes it all history.
Goldeneye's industrial soundtrack for example is the 90's, and that's a good thing. I want to go to an entirely different place when I watch a movie - and not necessarily have something that fits entirely within our current cultural norms.
Dated is not necessarily bad. There's nothing wrong about Dr. No taking you back to the 1950's atmosphere or TSWLM taking you back to the detente era. There's even nothing wrong with going back to TLD when the Taliban were the good guys. That's part of what it makes it all history.
Goldeneye's industrial soundtrack for example is the 90's, and that's a good thing. I want to go to an entirely different place when I watch a movie - and not necessarily have something that fits entirely within our current cultural norms.
wow AC! Couldn't have said it any better!!! So right -{
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Dated is not necessarily bad. There's nothing wrong about Dr. No taking you back to the 1950's atmosphere or TSWLM taking you back to the detente era. There's even nothing wrong with going back to TLD when the Taliban were the good guys. That's part of what it makes it all history.
Goldeneye's industrial soundtrack for example is the 90's, and that's a good thing. I want to go to an entirely different place when I watch a movie - and not necessarily have something that fits entirely within our current cultural norms.
Dated can be good when the thing that is now dated was good at the time. The GoldenEye soundtrack wasn't good 20 years ago, and it's not any better now.
Dated is not necessarily bad. There's nothing wrong about Dr. No taking you back to the 1950's atmosphere or TSWLM taking you back to the detente era. There's even nothing wrong with going back to TLD when the Taliban were the good guys. That's part of what it makes it all history.
Goldeneye's industrial soundtrack for example is the 90's, and that's a good thing. I want to go to an entirely different place when I watch a movie - and not necessarily have something that fits entirely within our current cultural norms.
Dated can be good when the thing that is now dated was good at the time. The GoldenEye soundtrack wasn't good 20 years ago, and it's not any better now.
Well said! Bad is bad I am afraid...
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In the TSWLM docu Bach argues fashion with the director , with Lewis saying what's hot now in clothes might be dated next yr etc.
Nobody stopped Bond from wearing what was hot in fashion, thus along with LTK and SF is has Bond looking the most dated. Barbara Bach mostly looks quite timeless in the film, though there are a few outfits that don't hold up particularly well.
Bond's suits in SF don't look dated, they look au courant (though not at all to my taste).
For Your Eyes Only looks pretty dated and The Spy Who Loved Me looks very much of a certain period- but not in an iconic way. Part of the problem is the era: I think the sixties are more iconic than the seventies.
GoldenEye looks oddly dated with the technology but I think it generally stands up.
I think FYEO holds up very well except for the score. What makes it look dated to you? At least the costume in FYEO holds up very well and the people don't look ridiculous.
The Lolita skater's costumes are particularly nastily eighties at times, some of the background characters' are dressed in an eighties style (looking at some of that swimwear) and Bond's more casual clothes don't look nice at all.
'Dated' is never a good thing; it's not bad for a film to resemble its period and some films embody their period (film noir for example). But it needs to do it with a certain sense of style. Funnily enough, films that are relatively recent can look more dated than older films. Fashion is fleeting but style is forever -{
For Your Eyes Only looks pretty dated and The Spy Who Loved Me looks very much of a certain period- but not in an iconic way. Part of the problem is the era: I think the sixties are more iconic than the seventies.
GoldenEye looks oddly dated with the technology but I think it generally stands up.
I think FYEO holds up very well except for the score. What makes it look dated to you? At least the costume in FYEO holds up very well and the people don't look ridiculous.
The Lolita skater's costumes are particularly nastily eighties at times, some of the background characters' are dressed in an eighties style (looking at some of that swimwear) and Bond's more casual clothes don't look nice at all.
'Dated' is never a good thing; it's not bad for a film to resemble its period and some films embody their period (film noir for example). But it needs to do it with a certain sense of style. Funnily enough, films that are relatively recent can look more dated than older films. Fashion is fleeting but style is forever -{
I always thought Bond' casual clothes in FYEO have held up quite well. Perhaps some of them look too much like they're from the 1950s! Except for the tracksuit in AVTAK, Moore didn't go much for the fashions of the 80s.
For Your Eyes Only looks pretty dated and The Spy Who Loved Me looks very much of a certain period- but not in an iconic way. Part of the problem is the era: I think the sixties are more iconic than the seventies.
GoldenEye looks oddly dated with the technology but I think it generally stands up.
I think FYEO holds up very well except for the score. What makes it look dated to you? At least the costume in FYEO holds up very well and the people don't look ridiculous.
The Lolita skater's costumes are particularly nastily eighties at times, some of the background characters' are dressed in an eighties style (looking at some of that swimwear) and Bond's more casual clothes don't look nice at all.
'Dated' is never a good thing; it's not bad for a film to resemble its period and some films embody their period (film noir for example). But it needs to do it with a certain sense of style. Funnily enough, films that are relatively recent can look more dated than older films. Fashion is fleeting but style is forever -{
FYEO was out in 1981, shot mainly in 1980...
I've heard it all now about the swimwear. People pick up on the most ridiculous things...
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The Lolita skater's costumes are particularly nastily eighties at times, some of the background characters' are dressed in an eighties style (looking at some of that swimwear) and Bond's more casual clothes don't look nice at all.
I know that it's all about personal taste - but imo skater's costumes did not change much in the last decades. A skater's dress is - well a skater's dress and I don't see much more 'Lolita' appeal than today with them 8-)
And if you really want to be picky about swimwear > 30 years ago - with the exception of Domino's incredible one-piece, really EVERY piece of swimwear is outdated by today's standards - even Honey's iconic bikini imo.
You should get over your hard feelings and enjoy FYEO for what it is: The best Moore bond movie, the first reboot and a phantastic innovative action movie from a time when action was usually not what we are calling action today
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
A lot of the older " Classic" swimwear is back in fashion
( I'm always the first, to know what's in or out)
This year... Big busts are out ....socks with sandals are in.
and Yes, It's the Best of Moore's Bonds. -{
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Personally it doesn't trouble me too much if a film is dated. The films span over fifty years and it's interesting to see the changes in filming techniques, fashion, music, special effects, cultural changes etc that we have seen throughout the Bond series. Each film is a product of it's own time and in many respects it's how the films have aged that gives them their charm. -{
I don't look upon them as dated, but rather set in that time period.
That way it would look very odd for a film set in 1965, to have modern
Fashion in it ?
I actually love looking at the classic older fashions and cars, even the tech
from the 60s is cool.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
There is a certain conservatism (not meaning political) that should be observed when attempting to create a sense of timelessness in films. Fads that last only a year or three should be avoided. Bond movies nicely navigated their way through most of them, and many have that timeless sense to them, but there were a few moments...
Connery's sideburns in DAF were just a wee bit thick...
Moore's collars were sometimes a bit pointy... :007)
Craig's buzz cut in SF was very post 9-11 'military'... 8-)
But IMO, DISCO included in a movie NOT primarily about the late 70's/early 80's dance scene is the worst possible offender of 'dating' in Bond (or any) movies. X-(
Only that films have to be made for their times. To expect
Anything else would be crazy. Nic picking over the cutof
a suit, even a swim suit, seems very odd. To me at least.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Only that films have to be made for their times. To expect
Anything else would be crazy. Nic picking over the cutof
a suit, even a swim suit, seems very odd. To me at least.
Necros' speedo swimsuit was very 80's. But as it was of the times, I don't consider it very 'dated'...
Music is another matter. If Bond had a fight in a disco, disco music would be appropriate. To apply fad music to the actual soundtrack is to hopelessly date it. IMO, at any rate. I love FYEO, I just grit my teeth to the disco beats. )
Take posters for example. Goldfinger's is not at all like a modern poster- the taglines are that brilliant old thing in trailers of the voiceover that promises you the most amazing film ever- but it has something: http://www.doctormacro.com/Images/Posters/G/Poster%20-%20Goldfinger_02.jpg. For Your Eyes Only- a girl wearing a swimsuit backwards so that her bum hangs out.
It's nitpicking sure but it's a subjective reaction, as fashion is. Some people like shoulder pads, others cringe. It's hard to objectively say why something feels dated rather than iconic; it's just a feeling.
It comes to something when you see those clothes on another person - and remember when your mum used to buy them for you. I am sure I've got a couple of pairs of swimming trunks swimming around at home. As I said, they are of their time.
As for the Disco music. i grew up with it - so get lots of pleasure from it. Particularly that climb to the Meteora...
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Take posters for example. Goldfinger's is not at all like a modern poster- the taglines are that brilliant old thing in trailers of the voiceover that promises you the most amazing film ever- but it has something: http://www.doctormacro.com/Images/Posters/G/Poster%20-%20Goldfinger_02.jpg. For Your Eyes Only- a girl wearing a swimsuit backwards so that her bum hangs out.
It's nitpicking sure but it's a subjective reaction, as fashion is. Some people like shoulder pads, others cringe. It's hard to objectively say why something feels dated rather than iconic; it's just a feeling.
Not sure if you are serious - if you are - ugh!
There are so many things wrong in that post :v next thing that you are telling us is that Dalton was hard edged
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
To me, the 60'ies movies have aged the best and the 90'ies movies the worst.
Movies like Goldfinger became timeless and classic, however when looking at GoldenEye that movie hasn't aged half as good. It's mainly all because that's when the internet and computer age really started and went on growing massively fast since, so seeing those old computers in movies from that period usually ages them a lot (take the comment of what kind of computer Natalya needs in GE for instance..)
For some odd reason, I absolutely enjoy the disco type score of FYEO though (that's almost a controversial opinion here I guess)
Those old computers in GE don't bother me a bit, but then I'm not a big computer guy... likewise seeing a payphone in a Bond movie doesn't bother me either.
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GoldenEye looks oddly dated with the technology but I think it generally stands up.
I think FYEO holds up very well except for the score. What makes it look dated to you? At least the costume in FYEO holds up very well and the people don't look ridiculous.
Its the score which dates Goldeneye - per plunky plunk
Goldeneye's industrial soundtrack for example is the 90's, and that's a good thing. I want to go to an entirely different place when I watch a movie - and not necessarily have something that fits entirely within our current cultural norms.
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wow AC! Couldn't have said it any better!!! So right -{
Dated can be good when the thing that is now dated was good at the time. The GoldenEye soundtrack wasn't good 20 years ago, and it's not any better now.
Well said! Bad is bad I am afraid...
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GE's soundtrack is bad, irrespective of time. You just haven't realised that yet.
Bond's suits in SF don't look dated, they look au courant (though not at all to my taste).
They may well look dated in 20 years.
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The Lolita skater's costumes are particularly nastily eighties at times, some of the background characters' are dressed in an eighties style (looking at some of that swimwear) and Bond's more casual clothes don't look nice at all.
'Dated' is never a good thing; it's not bad for a film to resemble its period and some films embody their period (film noir for example). But it needs to do it with a certain sense of style. Funnily enough, films that are relatively recent can look more dated than older films. Fashion is fleeting but style is forever -{
I always thought Bond' casual clothes in FYEO have held up quite well. Perhaps some of them look too much like they're from the 1950s! Except for the tracksuit in AVTAK, Moore didn't go much for the fashions of the 80s.
FYEO was out in 1981, shot mainly in 1980...
I've heard it all now about the swimwear. People pick up on the most ridiculous things...
I know that it's all about personal taste - but imo skater's costumes did not change much in the last decades. A skater's dress is - well a skater's dress and I don't see much more 'Lolita' appeal than today with them 8-)
And if you really want to be picky about swimwear > 30 years ago - with the exception of Domino's incredible one-piece, really EVERY piece of swimwear is outdated by today's standards - even Honey's iconic bikini imo.
You should get over your hard feelings and enjoy FYEO for what it is: The best Moore bond movie, the first reboot and a phantastic innovative action movie from a time when action was usually not what we are calling action today
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
( I'm always the first, to know what's in or out)
This year... Big busts are out ....socks with sandals are in.
and Yes, It's the Best of Moore's Bonds. -{
That way it would look very odd for a film set in 1965, to have modern
Fashion in it ?
I actually love looking at the classic older fashions and cars, even the tech
from the 60s is cool.
What do you mean by that?
Connery's sideburns in DAF were just a wee bit thick...
Moore's collars were sometimes a bit pointy... :007)
Craig's buzz cut in SF was very post 9-11 'military'... 8-)
But IMO, DISCO included in a movie NOT primarily about the late 70's/early 80's dance scene is the worst possible offender of 'dating' in Bond (or any) movies. X-(
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Anything else would be crazy. Nic picking over the cutof
a suit, even a swim suit, seems very odd. To me at least.
Music is another matter. If Bond had a fight in a disco, disco music would be appropriate. To apply fad music to the actual soundtrack is to hopelessly date it. IMO, at any rate. I love FYEO, I just grit my teeth to the disco beats.
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I like the night life, I love to boogie, 'round, oh yeah !
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Take posters for example. Goldfinger's is not at all like a modern poster- the taglines are that brilliant old thing in trailers of the voiceover that promises you the most amazing film ever- but it has something: http://www.doctormacro.com/Images/Posters/G/Poster%20-%20Goldfinger_02.jpg. For Your Eyes Only- a girl wearing a swimsuit backwards so that her bum hangs out.
It's nitpicking sure but it's a subjective reaction, as fashion is. Some people like shoulder pads, others cringe. It's hard to objectively say why something feels dated rather than iconic; it's just a feeling.
It comes to something when you see those clothes on another person - and remember when your mum used to buy them for you. I am sure I've got a couple of pairs of swimming trunks swimming around at home. As I said, they are of their time.
As for the Disco music. i grew up with it - so get lots of pleasure from it. Particularly that climb to the Meteora...
Not sure if you are serious - if you are - ugh!
There are so many things wrong in that post :v next thing that you are telling us is that Dalton was hard edged
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Movies like Goldfinger became timeless and classic, however when looking at GoldenEye that movie hasn't aged half as good. It's mainly all because that's when the internet and computer age really started and went on growing massively fast since, so seeing those old computers in movies from that period usually ages them a lot (take the comment of what kind of computer Natalya needs in GE for instance..)
For some odd reason, I absolutely enjoy the disco type score of FYEO though (that's almost a controversial opinion here I guess)
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