he knew he couldn't stay serious for long, so he just reused the same plot twice with Moore (though Hamilton did the same with TSWLM).
Hamilton did the same with TSWLM? I'm sure this is either a typo or i'm getting this wrong, because I'm sure there's no need in questioning a fellow fan's Bond knowledge.
I split the Moore movies by era, the 1st being the era of the "parted hair" and the 2nd, the "bullet head" era ) By the time he adopted the bullet head look he had entered his mature stage so that he couldn't pull off the boyish hair cut anymore, so visually the hair is a good cue of where he was in the character's life cycle. The first era culminated in the realm of the fantastic with MR, whereas the 2nd era opened with a more serious tone with FYEO.
I don't think it was so much an age issue as a style one. The unparted, swept back "wet" look that Moore had in the 1950s and 1960s -- as many men did -- gave way to the distinct part "dry" look that was popular in the late 1960s through mid-1970s. By the 1980s, Moore just went back to the same hairstyle he had in the 1960s, particularly on The Saint.
Perhaps, though it's more of a subjective thing for me, like how I've assigned genders to letters and numbers with no basis on logic ) But regarding hairstyles, the same phenomenon seems to have happened with PB, who was allowed some of his boyish Remington Steele look to spillover onto GE, only to give way to the bullet head for his remaining movies :v
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
he knew he couldn't stay serious for long, so he just reused the same plot twice with Moore (though Hamilton did the same with TSWLM).
Hamilton did the same with TSWLM? I'm sure this is either a typo or i'm getting this wrong, because I'm sure there's no need in questioning a fellow fan's Bond knowledge.
I was wondering the same thing. Also the "Moore got his first three with the mirth directors and the last three with the more serious Glenn. That's how I split them." is incorrect as well since it doesn't mention Moonraker.
Must be an off-day for the Commander.
My current 10 favorite:
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
he knew he couldn't stay serious for long, so he just reused the same plot twice with Moore (though Hamilton did the same with TSWLM).
Hamilton did the same with TSWLM? I'm sure this is either a typo or i'm getting this wrong, because I'm sure there's no need in questioning a fellow fan's Bond knowledge.
Sorry, I meant to say Gilbert, not Hamilton. Yes, I was having an off day when I wrote this...
Well I was gonna be content with sub-classifying Moore's films, but i decided to throw in the overview kitchen sink here:
1962 - 1969 The Flemingly Flavourful years.
Classic Bond at its peak.
1971 - 1985 The "I Dream Of Jeannie" era.
Because all along I was wishing for it to be just a bit less silly.
1987 - 1989 A Fine Mix.
A serious & literary Bond swimming in a cinematic backdrop.
1995 - 2002 The Steeley Bond.
A time when sheer fun & excitement was the name of the game.
2006 - ? Born (Bourne) Again OO7.
Seriousness Fleming himself could never have envisioned the cinematic version of his character thriving in.
Chrisisall, I like that system, and think you have captured the essence of the films. Well done.
Mr. SB, this is kind of how I looked at the Moore films, the good ones and the silly ones. My only variation would be OP, which I like mostly, but Bond in a clown suit spoils if for me and is kind of the definitive image of the films in your second group, and unfortunately to some extent, kind of defines the while Moore era for me.
Mr. SB, this is kind of how I looked at the Moore films, the good ones and the silly ones. My only variation would be OP, which I like mostly, but Bond in a clown suit spoils if for me and is kind of the definitive image of the films in your second group, and unfortunately to some extent, kind of defines the while Moore era for me.
I know most people don't like the clown suit, but I really don't understand why. It's one of Roger Moore's most serious moments in the Bond series and doesn't recall any of his silliness in Moonraker. I think the circus scene in Octopussy is one of his best in the series, along with the scenes on the train. Do you think 009 running from Mischka and Grischka looks silly too?
Mr. SB, this is kind of how I looked at the Moore films, the good ones and the silly ones. My only variation would be OP, which I like mostly, but Bond in a clown suit spoils if for me and is kind of the definitive image of the films in your second group, and unfortunately to some extent, kind of defines the while Moore era for me.
I know most people don't like the clown suit, but I really don't understand why. It's one of Roger Moore's most serious moments in the Bond series and doesn't recall any of his silliness in Moonraker. I think the circus scene in Octopussy is one of his best in the series, along with the scenes on the train. Do you think 009 running from Mischka and Grischka looks silly too?
I agree -{ OP has it's darker Moments.
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Mr. SB, this is kind of how I looked at the Moore films, the good ones and the silly ones. My only variation would be OP, which I like mostly, but Bond in a clown suit spoils if for me and is kind of the definitive image of the films in your second group, and unfortunately to some extent, kind of defines the while Moore era for me.
I know most people don't like the clown suit, but I really don't understand why. It's one of Roger Moore's most serious moments in the Bond series and doesn't recall any of his silliness in Moonraker. I think the circus scene in Octopussy is one of his best in the series, along with the scenes on the train. Do you think 009 running from Mischka and Grischka looks silly too?
I agree -{ OP has it's darker Moments.
And light too, like the taxi chase, the hunt for Bond in the jungle and the gorilla suit.
I think the clown scene in OP is actually quite tense. I think he pulled it off well having to be serious wearing clown make up. I think the 009 scene at the start is pretty terrifying to some first time viewers - it's certainly got an atmosphere to it.
Yes, though having Bond in a clown disguise is quite a bit away from what Fleming may have ever written and more in the line of an EON/Moore skit, they get away with it because - as it's been stated - the melodrama underlying the scene dilutes any frivolity.
Had this been done in another film where you don't know if they will actually be able to disarm the bomb would have created a real nail biter. However, the whole sequence having Moore running around trying to convince everyone what's going to happen and trying to stop it still plays out rather intensely. The whole plot behind setting off a nuke in a circus on a military base in Europe is in itself pretty unsettling.
As far as the 009's escape with the egg, I actually thought that whole sequence came across as the type of bizarre scenario that Fleming might have created. It was mysterious, inventive, tense and the payoff with him crashing into the embassy and dropping the egg was for me a great way to start a suspense plot.
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Yes, it became much lighter in the 80s films.
Hamilton did the same with TSWLM? I'm sure this is either a typo or i'm getting this wrong, because I'm sure there's no need in questioning a fellow fan's Bond knowledge.
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Perhaps, though it's more of a subjective thing for me, like how I've assigned genders to letters and numbers with no basis on logic
I was wondering the same thing. Also the "Moore got his first three with the mirth directors and the last three with the more serious Glenn. That's how I split them." is incorrect as well since it doesn't mention Moonraker.
Must be an off-day for the Commander.
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
Exactly. No two Bond films are more similar to each other than TSWLM and MR.
I kind of doubt that Cart even watched Moonraker before jumping on the hater bandwagon.
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
lol harsh! I've never seen any Bond fan rank CR 67 higher than a real Bond film. Even Blackleiter will rate AVTAK much higher than CR67.
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
It's funny you should say that, because I was just comparing my list to that of Sir Miles, and he ranked CR'67 rediciliously high up:
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I enjoy it...I'm not that precious about 'Bond canon'....I find it an enjoyable, silly romp ! And the music is superb -{
I just find it to be a bit, extraordinary is all
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Sorry, I meant to say Gilbert, not Hamilton. Yes, I was having an off day when I wrote this...
Chrisisall, I like that system, and think you have captured the essence of the films. Well done.
Mr. SB, this is kind of how I looked at the Moore films, the good ones and the silly ones. My only variation would be OP, which I like mostly, but Bond in a clown suit spoils if for me and is kind of the definitive image of the films in your second group, and unfortunately to some extent, kind of defines the while Moore era for me.
Reflections in a double bourbon...
I know most people don't like the clown suit, but I really don't understand why. It's one of Roger Moore's most serious moments in the Bond series and doesn't recall any of his silliness in Moonraker. I think the circus scene in Octopussy is one of his best in the series, along with the scenes on the train. Do you think 009 running from Mischka and Grischka looks silly too?
I agree -{ OP has it's darker Moments.
And light too, like the taxi chase, the hunt for Bond in the jungle and the gorilla suit.
Excellent point. Women, children, families…. laughing and smiling. It's not just Bond out in the middle of the desert with no civilians around.
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
Had this been done in another film where you don't know if they will actually be able to disarm the bomb would have created a real nail biter. However, the whole sequence having Moore running around trying to convince everyone what's going to happen and trying to stop it still plays out rather intensely. The whole plot behind setting off a nuke in a circus on a military base in Europe is in itself pretty unsettling.
As far as the 009's escape with the egg, I actually thought that whole sequence came across as the type of bizarre scenario that Fleming might have created. It was mysterious, inventive, tense and the payoff with him crashing into the embassy and dropping the egg was for me a great way to start a suspense plot.