A lame article by MSN, "ranking" the 23 movies so far.

Alec 006

Personally I hate these types of articles but thought it may be of interest to the forum nonetheless.

The opinion of some random junior journalist or intern... A good discussion starter for those of you in the know though perhaps.

http://www.msn.com/en-au/movies/gallery/every-james-bond-movie-ranked-from-worst-to-best/ss-AAaXLh4?ocid=mailsignout

-{ -{ -{ -{ -{ Still only managed five Vespers in the one sitting. However, the arrival of my 1930s Menlo jacket today may herald a new attempt on the Casino Royale six.

Blackleiter

You're right, the article is pretty lame, although I must say I agree with the choices for best and worst.

Thunderpussy

) some of those film rankings are amazing, in a crazy way.

Absolutely_Cart

the author doesn't even explain any of his choices. clickbait. sad for a large media outlet to do this.

EDIT - The author does explain his choices. My browser was just acting up.

AlphaOmegaSin

I personally would have had the Dalton's in the top Ten, but that's just my Choice -{

Absolutely_Cart

Here's the list, btw.

1-5 -- GF > CR > DN > SF > GE
6-10 -- TSWLM > FRWL > MWGG > YOLT > OHMSS
11-15 -- LALD > DAD > TWINE > TND > TB
16-20 -- OP > FYEO > LTK > NSNA > QOS
21-25 -- AVTAK > TLD > DAF > MR > CR67

MilleniumForce

This is what I call a 'generic' ranking. We all know it; GF, TSWLM, FRWL, DN and CR are all in the top 10; Dalton's at th bottom and all Moore films besides TSWLM are at the bottom. I've not seen many Bond fans that have this 'generic' list. Sometimes it's like they've seen the Craig films, GF and TSWLM and they've seen them all.

Absolutely_Cart

Aside from the Brosnan films being higher than average and MWGG being higher than FYEO, it is quite generic.

Peppermill

Alec 006 wrote:

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-{ -{ -{ -{ -{ Still only managed five Vespers in the one sitting. However, the arrival of my 1930s Menlo jacket today may herald a new attempt on the Casino Royale six.

You've already had too much, it is in QoS where he drinks six :v

AlphaOmegaSin

MilleniumForce wrote:

This is what I call a 'generic' ranking. We all know it; GF, TSWLM, FRWL, DN and CR are all in the top 10; Dalton's at th bottom and all Moore films besides TSWLM are at the bottom. I've not seen many Bond fans that have this 'generic' list. Sometimes it's like they've seen the Craig films, GF and TSWLM and they've seen them all.

Nothing annoys me more then that X-(

Dutchfinger

I never take rankings on websites like these to serious, or shall I say: the reasoning behind it. The Living Daylights at the bottom, Die Another Day near the middle, it is as if the author just looked at the box office succeses. I love reading actual material from Bond fans temselves. Hearing there reviews, oppinions, seeing their ranking. And even if a true Bond fan ranked the movies in similar fashion to this, most of the time the reasoning behind it would atleast be near legit...

Atleast a lot more legit than reasoning like:

On the plus side, though, it has Halle Berry's Jinx, a Bond girl so awesome she nearly got her own spinoff series.

Thunderpussy

The only ranking that matters is our own. ) we all know better than
Everyone else. I can only ever list my top Five or so Bond films
after that I'm just splitting hairs between them.

Matt S

Dutchfinger wrote:

On the plus side, though, it has Halle Berry's Jinx, a Bond girl so awesome she nearly got her own spinoff series.

I didn't even notice that line. That completely throws out the entire list!

Thunderpussy wrote:

The only ranking that matters is our own. ) we all know better than
Everyone else. I can only ever list my top Five or so Bond films
after that I'm just splitting hairs between them.

I put my Bond films into three categories: ones that I love and are always up for watching, ones that I wouldn't mind watching, and ones I never want to see again. That about splits it into thirds, with Brosnan's and Craig's films taking up that last third.

AlphaOmegaSin

Like DF, I too never take Ranking Lists on Sites like MSN seriously -{

Firemass

Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Aside from the Brosnan films being higher than average and MWGG being higher than FYEO, it is quite generic.

Agreed. I was at least surprised to see DAD at #12 and TMWTGG at #8

He calls Octopussy the first non-Fleming adventure. That's not true at all considering OP was in fact a Fleming story and it also features Property of a Lady. It contained more Fleming material than many of the previous Bond films.

He also called FYEO the "last movie" adapted from a Fleming novel. Obviously, he has never read Octopussy, The Living Daylights, Property of a Lady, and Casino Royale.

No explanation of why Moonraker is in last place.

Referencing the cliche that Live and Let Die is a blaxploitation film. I doubt the author has seen any blaxploitation films or read the Fleming novel which features voodoo and black villains. Instead he's probably just repeating something he read from the previous schmuck who did a Bond ranking for MSN.

Dutchfinger wrote:

On the plus side, though, it has Halle Berry's Jinx, a Bond girl so awesome she nearly got her own spinoff series.

haha ) He should have put Die Another Day at #1. That would have raised some eyebrows.

AlphaOmegaSin

It's clear that the Aurthur has done little Research into the Franchise and it's History

Matt S

Firemass wrote:

He calls Octopussy the first non-Fleming adventure. That's not true at all considering OP was in fact a Fleming story and it also features Property of a Lady. It contained more Fleming material than many of the previous Bond films.

He also called FYEO the "last movie" adapted from a Fleming novel. Obviously, he has never read Octopussy, The Living Daylights, Property of a Lady, and Casino Royale.

And he calls FYEO a novel. TSWLM was the first non-Fleming film in content, right? LTK was the first film to not use a Fleming title (though it used material from The Hildebrand Rarity).

Firemass

Funny that the author at least understands why "some fans" like Dalton…but still ranks his two films toward last place. Harsh!

Thunderpussy

Has anyone thought, maybe we're all wrong and he's the one who's Right !

Firemass

Matt S wrote:

Firemass wrote:

He calls Octopussy the first non-Fleming adventure. That's not true at all considering OP was in fact a Fleming story and it also features Property of a Lady. It contained more Fleming material than many of the previous Bond films.

He also called FYEO the "last movie" adapted from a Fleming novel. Obviously, he has never read Octopussy, The Living Daylights, Property of a Lady, and Casino Royale.

And he calls FYEO a novel. TSWLM was the first non-Fleming film in content, right? LTK was the first film to not use a Fleming title (though it used material from The Hildebrand Rarity).

Yeah, there's a lot of grey areas regarding Fleming material. Films like TSWLM, AVTAK, and MR that use Fleming novel titles, but very little actual material from those novels. Other films like Licence to Kill are not even a Fleming title, but use Fleming bits from a range of novels.

The MSN author would have been wise to not make references to Fleming novels, because without actually reading them, it becomes very murky as to which films contain which material. For example, he could research that FYEO is a faithful adaptation of a Fleming novel, but might not realize that it's a combination of Risico, FYEO, the identigraph from Goldfinger, and the keel-hauling from LALD novels.

Anyway, I still amazed he thinks Jinx is an awesome Bond girl. At least he didn't flat-out trash all but the Connery films like Peter Travers of Rolling Stone. X-(

Thunderpussy

AVTAK uses a lot of Goldfinger material. so that's a Fleming connection.

MilleniumForce

So I've now read the reasonings, it's pretty frustrating. Yes, Jinx, the awesome Bond girl that gets caught more times than a cold in winter. Then we have about Craver being more crazy than scary. Who ever said the villain had to be scary? Are there any villains that are scary? They're supposed to be crazy. And I wouldn't say Stacy is the worst Bond girl ever. Yeah, she gets caught, but then she's justa geologist. I mean, she makes for a better girl than Jinx, for sure.

Matt S

MilleniumForce wrote:

So I've now read the reasonings, it's pretty frustrating. Yes, Jinx, the awesome Bond girl that gets caught more times than a cold in winter. Then we have about Craver being more crazy than scary. Who ever said the villain had to be scary? Are there any villains that are scary? They're supposed to be crazy. And I wouldn't say Stacy is the worst Bond girl ever. Yeah, she gets caught, but then she's justa geologist. I mean, she makes for a better girl than Jinx, for sure.

Stacy isn't much better than Jinx. It's not about getting caught, it's about being annoying. She is the worst part of AVTAK.

Barbel

Firemass wrote:

Matt S wrote:

Firemass wrote:

He calls Octopussy the first non-Fleming adventure. That's not true at all considering OP was in fact a Fleming story and it also features Property of a Lady. It contained more Fleming material than many of the previous Bond films.

He also called FYEO the "last movie" adapted from a Fleming novel. Obviously, he has never read Octopussy, The Living Daylights, Property of a Lady, and Casino Royale.

And he calls FYEO a novel. TSWLM was the first non-Fleming film in content, right? LTK was the first film to not use a Fleming title (though it used material from The Hildebrand Rarity).

Yeah, there's a lot of grey areas regarding Fleming material. Films like TSWLM, AVTAK, and MR that use Fleming novel titles, but very little actual material from those novels. Other films like Licence to Kill are not even a Fleming title, but use Fleming bits from a range of novels.

The MSN author would have been wise to not make references to Fleming novels, because without actually reading them, it becomes very murky as to which films contain which material. For example, he could research that FYEO is a faithful adaptation of a Fleming novel, but might not realize that it's a combination of Risico, FYEO, the identigraph from Goldfinger, and the keel-hauling from LALD novels.

Perhaps there's enough material there in those excellent points for a thread of its own- how much Fleming is there in each film? From 90-100% (OHMSS perhaps) to 0-10% (GE?).

Firemass

Thunderpussy wrote:

The only ranking that matters is our own. ) we all know better than
Everyone else.

Very true. Any list other than our own is bound to be full of errors, oversights, and general cluelessness about the series! )

Alec 006

Hiccup, oops sorry P

Peppermill wrote:

Alec 006 wrote:

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-{ -{ -{ -{ -{ Still only managed five Vespers in the one sitting. However, the arrival of my 1930s Menlo jacket today may herald a new attempt on the Casino Royale six.

You've already had too much, it is in QoS where he drinks six :v

Absolutely_Cart

Barbel wrote:

Firemass wrote:

Matt S wrote:

And he calls FYEO a novel. TSWLM was the first non-Fleming film in content, right? LTK was the first film to not use a Fleming title (though it used material from The Hildebrand Rarity).

Yeah, there's a lot of grey areas regarding Fleming material. Films like TSWLM, AVTAK, and MR that use Fleming novel titles, but very little actual material from those novels. Other films like Licence to Kill are not even a Fleming title, but use Fleming bits from a range of novels.

The MSN author would have been wise to not make references to Fleming novels, because without actually reading them, it becomes very murky as to which films contain which material. For example, he could research that FYEO is a faithful adaptation of a Fleming novel, but might not realize that it's a combination of Risico, FYEO, the identigraph from Goldfinger, and the keel-hauling from LALD novels.

Perhaps there's enough material there in those excellent points for a thread of its own- how much Fleming is there in each film? From 90-100% (OHMSS perhaps) to 0-10% (GE?).

Ahem http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/44840/how-faithful-is-each-bond-film-to-the-source-material/

broadshoulder

Timothy Dalton made his debut as 007, and he wasn't bad, but the material was weak. The adventure is lackluster, and so is the lone Bond girl, an Eastern European cellist (Maryam D'Abo). Yes, Bond girl, singular, as the movie, released at the height of the AIDS epidemic, chose to reconsider Bond's usual promiscuity. Who wants a safe-sex Bond?

Trotting out the cliches. You know that you'd probably like this one better if you watched it again.

Some fans found Dalton's 007 the closest to Fleming's conception of the character -- brutal, callous, and bitter. That doesn't necessarily make for great popcorn entertainment, especially given a standard-issue drug-smuggling/revenge plot that could have come from a Mel Gibson movie. Still, it's an improvement over "The Living Daylights."

Getting better, perhaps with no 3 you'd like him. Calling the film a Mel Gibson movie is pretty low

The last 007 movie adapted from a Fleming novel is nothing special, but Moore handles it with professionalism. The pre-credit sequence is clever, with Moore's Bond finally dispatching Blofeld once and for all, dropped from a helicopter into a smokestack.

Rating this one so low is a crime to end all crimes ) )

OK, Denise Richards doesn't work as the nuclear-scientist heroine, and the Asian-pipeline plot is perhaps too reminiscent of "The Living Daylights." Still, Brosnan's third outing as Bond has two memorable villains: Robert Carlyle as a slowly-dying man impervious to pain, and Sophie Marceau as a beautiful woman who really knows how to torture Bond below the belt. Also, after 36 years, there's the classy farewell of Desmond Llewelyn as gadget-master Q, passing the torch to Monty Python's brilliantly irritable John Cleese.

You don't do anything with Robert Carlyle? And passing it on to "brilliantly irritable" John Cleese. If you bigging up a Q scene then you know your movies in trouble

Brosnan's final turn as 007 is perhaps the most preposterous entry in the entire series, what with its invisible car, hotel made of ice, and space laser. On the plus side, though, it has Halle Berry's Jinx, a Bond girl so awesome she nearly got her own spinoff series.

Just for one single second....this article is restored..

AlphaOmegaSin

Matt S wrote:

Firemass wrote:

He calls Octopussy the first non-Fleming adventure. That's not true at all considering OP was in fact a Fleming story and it also features Property of a Lady. It contained more Fleming material than many of the previous Bond films.

He also called FYEO the "last movie" adapted from a Fleming novel. Obviously, he has never read Octopussy, The Living Daylights, Property of a Lady, and Casino Royale.

And he calls FYEO a novel. TSWLM was the first non-Fleming film in content, right? LTK was the first film to not use a Fleming title (though it used material from The Hildebrand Rarity).

And Live And Let Die

chrisno1

Funnily enough, while if could play around with the positions within the top ten, take out GE, TMWTGG and YOLT and put in TND, TB and MR, it wouldn't be that far away from my own list.
If I'm honest, it was easier to rate the Bond films pre-Brosnan. There's too many now and I want about 15 to be in a top ten and the numbers just don't fit !

Matt S

chrisno1 wrote:

Funnily enough, while if could play around with the positions within the top ten, take out GE, TMWTGG and YOLT and put in TND, TB and MR, it wouldn't be that far away from my own list.
If I'm honest, it was easier to rate the Bond films pre-Brosnan. There's too many now and I want about 15 to be in a top ten and the numbers just don't fit !

I soive this problem by putting all Bond films from 1989 to present at the bottom. )