Dom perignon reference in movies

Dutchfinger

I just found out something when watching TMWTGG, I either just found out a reference I have never heared anyone speak of, or i'm a very slow fan and found something fans have known for years (thinking it's probably the ladder ) )

In DN, Dr. No says to Bond: "it's a Dom Perignon '55" (the year of the third Bond book) and Bond says he prefers the 53' himself. (the year of the first Bond book.)

And in TMWTGG Scaramanga says to Bond "A Dom Perignon '64" (the year of the third Bond movie) and Bond says he prefers the '62 himself. (The year of the first Bond movie)


Did anyone ever notice that one before, or am I just being a slow Bond fan here?

Firemass

I can almost guarantee no Bond fan has ever noticed that.

My question for you is: What is the significance of "the year of the third Bond book/first Bond book" etc ?

Dutchfinger

Firemass wrote:

I can almost guarantee no Bond fan has ever noticed that.

My question for you is: What is the significance of "the year of the third Bond book/first Bond book" etc ?

You got me there :P But since the line is so similar in TMWTGG it got me thinking: "why those years?" - certainly those wine years Bond named wouldn't have been particulary better (I would have to research that, but I don't think they were better) Then it struck me how those are the wine years of the third and first Bond movies and books respectively. I don't know the exact reasoning behind it, but i'm pretty sure this must have been a conscious choice on the filmmakers part.

Thunderpussy

No views on his change to Bollinger ? 69 in 79 ?

Asp9mm

Champagne isn't like other wines and doesn't keep well after 10-15 years, so Rogers Bond preferring the 53' would be ridiculous as it would be some nasty tasting drink after that time. When Connery preferred the 53 back in 1961/62 that would have been the prime drinking period for that particular vintage. Champagne has a noteable shelf life that hits a peak and then slowly declines.

Dutchfinger

Asp9mm wrote:

Champagne isn't like other wines and doesn't keep well after 10-15 years, so Rogers Bond preferring the 53' would be ridiculous as it would be some nasty tasting drink after that time. When Connery preferred the 53 back in 1961/62 that would have been the prime drinking period for that particular vintage. Champagne has a noteable shelf life that hits a peak and then slowly declines.

No, I said Roger's bond preferring the '62 to the '64 in TMWTGG. Which are the years of the first film and third film, while Connery prefered the year of the first book to the third book.

Thunderpussy

This may be of interest.

Dom Pérignon is always a vintage champagne, meaning that it is not made in weak years, and all grapes used to make the wine were harvested in the same year.

From 1921 to 2004, Dom Pérignon champagne has been produced in 40 years. Three vintage years in a row are a rare phenomenon (which has only occurred three times: in 1969, 1970 and 1971; in 1998, 1999 and 2000; in 2002, 2003, 2004).

The 40 Dom Pérignon up to 2004 are: 1921, 1926, 1928, 1929, 1934, 1943, 1947, 1949, 1952, 1953, 1955, 1959, 1961, 1962, 1964, 1966, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1973, 1975, 1976, 1978, 1980, 1982, 1983, 1985, 1988, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004.

AlphaOmegaSin

I'm not a Wine/Champagne Drinker, but is Dom Pérignon any good?

Thunderpussy

It's not Buckfast, but it's still quite good.

AlphaOmegaSin

That nice then? )

BIG TAM

Thunderpussy wrote:

No views on his change to Bollinger ? 69 in 79 ?

I just assumed he wanted to enjoy a '69 with Goodhead...

Thunderpussy

well who wouldn't. )
Perhaps as ASP9mm points out it takes about 10 years to mellow in to a
great vintage ?

Matt S

Thunderpussy wrote:

well who wouldn't. )
Perhaps as ASP9mm points out it takes about 10 years to mellow in to a
great vintage ?

That's what I always assumed from Bond's lines about champagne.

Thunderpussy

I had always put the age of champagne mentioned in the Bonds down to, how
They worked in syntax, the rhythm of the dialogue, how many syllables it had
etc. To help the " Flow" of the script. An example would be in the lyrics of songs
As there are many that use the number Seventeen ( 3 Syllables )and not many
with fourteen ( 2) etc. I have no logic to back this up, only a mad theory. )

AlphaOmegaSin

If only Women could mellow out after 10 Years )

Mr Martini

AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

I'm not a Wine/Champagne Drinker, but is Dom Pérignon any good?

Never had it myself, but the it has a high price. The store I work for had three bottles at the end of 1999. We brought them in for the turn of the century. I didn't think anybody would buy them at the price of $100 a bottle. But we sold all three.

Matt S

Mr Martini wrote:

AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

I'm not a Wine/Champagne Drinker, but is Dom Pérignon any good?

Never had it myself, but the it has a high price. The store I work for had three bottles at the end of 1999. We brought them in for the turn of the century. I didn't think anybody would buy them at the price of $100 a bottle. But we sold all three.

I've never had Dom Perignon, but I've had Bollinger and it was fantastic. If I could spend the kind of money on things Bond does, I would pay a few hundred dollars for a bottle of Dom Perignon or Bollinger. It tastes nothing like ordinary sparkling wine.

Absolutely_Cart

Connery in Diamonds Are Forever: "I'll have a Big Mac, large fries and a Dom Perignon 53"

In all seriousness, I would split a $100 bottle with 4 friends, for $20 each.

Asp9mm

DomP has a very distinctive flavour and texture. If you like champagne then you'll appreciate it. The price certainly helps in that area )

Firemass

Asp9mm wrote:

Champagne isn't like other wines and doesn't keep well after 10-15 years, so Rogers Bond preferring the 53' would be ridiculous as it would be some nasty tasting drink after that time. When Connery preferred the 53 back in 1961/62 that would have been the prime drinking period for that particular vintage. Champagne has a noteable shelf life that hits a peak and then slowly declines.

What about the DP '52 in Stomberg's escape pod?
By 1977 that would no longer be drinkable?

Maybe TSWLM is set in the 60's.

AlphaOmegaSin

I'll stick to the Whisky though

Thunderpussy

Maybe Stromberg was keeping the 52, to launch his new under water city ?
" I declare Atlantis open and Humanity dead" smashes Bottle.
" Now get stuck into those sausage rolls, and I've a balloon modeller coming
For the kids at two " )

AlphaOmegaSin

Being a Villain like Stromberg really does take it out of you )

Thunderpussy

Hey ! No one said " Creating a world" was gonna be easy.