Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,541MI6 Agent
edited May 2015
I don't understand this suddenly discovered Lazenby popularity thing. Lazenby has always been appreciated by Bond fans, nothing has changed since 1969 as far as he is concerned, it's just that new fans are coming on the scene and perceive something that has always been so, ....as being new and their discovery. The internet compounds this as communication was never possible between people before on this scale. The only thing that is truly new is the fact that Craig's tenure is eclipsing Connery, and who could have predicted that ten years ago. Brosnan might have been OK if it wasn't for DAD and Craig's success compelling everyone to look back at his role in minutiae and deeming it bland. Even Dalton was hailed in the same tone he is now when LTK came out, but on a smaller level as the WWW had not come into fruition. It's amazing these things that were happening 30, 40 years ago are now held as a modern occurrency.
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Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,541MI6 Agent
Not sure I agree with you there...QoS is popular with the general cinema going public {
To me it seems like the average movie-goer either has no clue what Quantum of Solace even was, or they saw it years ago and forgot the entire thing. Skyfall and Casino Royale are household names - but QoS, no.
I'll be 50 in a few short years and have been watching Bond films all my life. I can say there are observations I've made about Bond film opinion shifts in that time:
1) Bond has gone from being a sadistic playboy with action hero tendencies to an action hero with sadistic playboy tendencies.
2) On Her Majesty's Secret Service is viewed as a classic rather than a turkey.
3) The Pierce Brosnan era has been all but forgotten in the minds of the general public as the Craig films became juggernauts.
4) In the eyes of millions, Daniel Craig is now James Bond.
5) Flirtations with political correctness have nonetheless not changed the Bond character much nor has the reboot.
6) Many critics who thought Bond was passe have been proven wrong.
7) Classic elements once thought untenable (certain villains and the like) are viable once again.
Im curious. At what moment did most people realize that Craig was a great Bond - and not the poor choice they thought he was?
Was is when they saw the trailer? Or was it any scene in the movie that solidified it?
I thought immediately he was an excellent choice, for two reasons:
1) He had a Connery-esque quality to him, both in general appearance and bearing. If you can find them, look at the black and white photos of him stepping out of the Aston Martin and compare them to the ones of Connery, for example.
2) He didn't look like a mannequin, which was the popular look in male actors for at least the preceding 20 years. That meant the filmmakers could not just go through the motions and assume his looks in this regard would carry him -- they would have to work harder on the other elements. That's exactly what happened, at least with Casino Royale.
The trailer actually threw me a bit. I don't think they showed the better scenes with Craig, and people actually laughed -- and not in a good way -- at its conclusion. But when I saw the movie proper, I knew Craig would be great.
The only thing that was a little off putting, at first, was when he spoke. He didn't enunciate as purely as many actors do. But I got over that. The blond hair didn't trouble me, either, but I do think they should have dyed it darker so he fit in more with previous Bonds. I'm pretty sure a lot of the criticism early on would have subsided, and when you look at scenes in Casino Royale when he's in light that makes his hair darker, he looks very much like a classic Bond.
A lot of people thought Brosnan was the best Bond in his time, and the same is happening with Craig. Likely, when Craig retires as Bond, his approval rating will dip down as well.
Don't get me wrong, Craig will still be known as a great actor, but we'll be able to judge him more objectively and the 7th James Bond will split the pie even further.
A lot of people thought Brosnan was the best Bond in his time, and the same is happening with Craig. Likely, when Craig retires as Bond, his approval rating will dip down as well.
Don't get me wrong, Craig will still be known as a great actor, but we'll be able to judge him more objectively and the 7th James Bond will split the pie even further.
But when Pierce Brosnan was Bond, few people (especially not Bond fans) said he was as good as or better than Connery. Now a large number of people are saying that Daniel Craig is better than Connery. You're right that opinions will change when a new Bond starts, but even people here who were previously big Connery fans seem to consider Craig the only Bond now.
A lot of people thought Brosnan was the best Bond in his time, and the same is happening with Craig. Likely, when Craig retires as Bond, his approval rating will dip down as well.
Don't get me wrong, Craig will still be known as a great actor, but we'll be able to judge him more objectively and the 7th James Bond will split the pie even further.
I know what you're saying, but it just feels like more people accept Craig as Bond -- or at least care about who is playing him -- than did Brosnan. I get students in class, for instance, for whom Brosnan basically was Bond while growing up, and they say that Craig just makes him look silly. Some of that could be the "newest is always best" thinking, but I sense it is less about currency and more about issues of quality.
A lot of people thought Brosnan was the best Bond in his time, and the same is happening with Craig. Likely, when Craig retires as Bond, his approval rating will dip down as well.
Don't get me wrong, Craig will still be known as a great actor, but we'll be able to judge him more objectively and the 7th James Bond will split the pie even further.
I know what you're saying, but it just feels like more people accept Craig as Bond -- or at least care about who is playing him -- than did Brosnan. I get students in class, for instance, for whom Brosnan basically was Bond while growing up, and they say that Craig just makes him look silly. Some of that could be the "newest is always best" thinking, but I sense it is less about currency and more about issues of quality.
Ummm....less people called Brosnan 'the greatest Bond ever' the more his films went downhill. They looked very silly by DAD. Craigs films keep getting better and better...
1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
I don't know about that. I'm in the camp that Goldeneye is overrated, and Tomorrow Never Dies, not a particularly strong film, nonetheless is still his best. Casino Royale was Craig's best film -- a genuine film -- while Quantum of Solace was his nadir, so far. Skyfall lives somewhere in between.
I don't know about that. I'm in the camp that Goldeneye is overrated, and Tomorrow Never Dies, not a particularly strong film, nonetheless is still his best. Casino Royale was Craig's best film -- a genuine film -- while Quantum of Solace was his nadir, so far. Skyfall lives somewhere in between.
I agree that GE os overrated. What you left out were TWINE and DAD which were the pits. Is anyone gonna be a Brosnan fan after DAD?
And the hype for Spectre is incredible.
Its two different actors one who comes in. does his stuff and then goes home to Malibu. The second is a jobbing actor, who gets involved with character, plot etc and drives the film. Much like Connery did in his ones..
1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
I don't understand this suddenly discovered Lazenby popularity thing. Lazenby has always been appreciated by Bond fans, nothing has changed since 1969 as far as he is concerned....
+1. Bond aficionados have always returned to OHMSS because it's such a brilliant film and Lazenby was a terrific Bond - don't forget, Connery having quit the series, who else would have been a good alternative? It's always been one of my two or three most watched Bonds and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone.
But when Pierce Brosnan was Bond, few people (especially not Bond fans) said he was as good as or better than Connery. Now a large number of people are saying that Daniel Craig is better than Connery.
I'm not sure I'd agree with this. As many people hailed Brosnan as a brilliant Bond following Dalton's departure as hail Craig now, and it's more than likely the same will happen when Craig's tenure ends. Even Roger Moore said "Everyone will forget about Sean and I when they see Pierce" when he visited the set during the making of GE. I don't hear a large number of people saying Craig is better than Connery...
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Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,931Chief of Staff
Not sure I agree with you there...QoS is popular with the general cinema going public {
To me it seems like the average movie-goer either has no clue what Quantum of Solace even was, or they saw it years ago and forgot the entire thing. Skyfall and Casino Royale are household names - but QoS, no.
As you say..."to me"...that hasn't been true of the people I've spoken too about this...at the last place I worked more people preferred QoS than CR - which surprised me...but there you have it...
But when Pierce Brosnan was Bond, few people (especially not Bond fans) said he was as good as or better than Connery. Now a large number of people are saying that Daniel Craig is better than Connery.
I'm not sure I'd agree with this. As many people hailed Brosnan as a brilliant Bond following Dalton's departure as hail Craig now, and it's more than likely the same will happen when Craig's tenure ends. Even Roger Moore said "Everyone will forget about Sean and I when they see Pierce" when he visited the set during the making of GE. I don't hear a large number of people saying Craig is better than Connery...
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You missed out the word 'correct' from in between the words stubborn and grumpy :007)
Was is when they saw the trailer? Or was it any scene in the movie that solidified it?
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It was after people had seen the film. A mass opinion change occurred over that opening weekend.
To me it seems like the average movie-goer either has no clue what Quantum of Solace even was, or they saw it years ago and forgot the entire thing. Skyfall and Casino Royale are household names - but QoS, no.
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1) Bond has gone from being a sadistic playboy with action hero tendencies to an action hero with sadistic playboy tendencies.
2) On Her Majesty's Secret Service is viewed as a classic rather than a turkey.
3) The Pierce Brosnan era has been all but forgotten in the minds of the general public as the Craig films became juggernauts.
4) In the eyes of millions, Daniel Craig is now James Bond.
5) Flirtations with political correctness have nonetheless not changed the Bond character much nor has the reboot.
6) Many critics who thought Bond was passe have been proven wrong.
7) Classic elements once thought untenable (certain villains and the like) are viable once again.
1) He had a Connery-esque quality to him, both in general appearance and bearing. If you can find them, look at the black and white photos of him stepping out of the Aston Martin and compare them to the ones of Connery, for example.
2) He didn't look like a mannequin, which was the popular look in male actors for at least the preceding 20 years. That meant the filmmakers could not just go through the motions and assume his looks in this regard would carry him -- they would have to work harder on the other elements. That's exactly what happened, at least with Casino Royale.
The trailer actually threw me a bit. I don't think they showed the better scenes with Craig, and people actually laughed -- and not in a good way -- at its conclusion. But when I saw the movie proper, I knew Craig would be great.
The only thing that was a little off putting, at first, was when he spoke. He didn't enunciate as purely as many actors do. But I got over that. The blond hair didn't trouble me, either, but I do think they should have dyed it darker so he fit in more with previous Bonds. I'm pretty sure a lot of the criticism early on would have subsided, and when you look at scenes in Casino Royale when he's in light that makes his hair darker, he looks very much like a classic Bond.
Don't get me wrong, Craig will still be known as a great actor, but we'll be able to judge him more objectively and the 7th James Bond will split the pie even further.
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Pros and Cons Compendium (50 Years)
But when Pierce Brosnan was Bond, few people (especially not Bond fans) said he was as good as or better than Connery. Now a large number of people are saying that Daniel Craig is better than Connery. You're right that opinions will change when a new Bond starts, but even people here who were previously big Connery fans seem to consider Craig the only Bond now.
Ummm....less people called Brosnan 'the greatest Bond ever' the more his films went downhill. They looked very silly by DAD. Craigs films keep getting better and better...
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I agree that GE os overrated. What you left out were TWINE and DAD which were the pits. Is anyone gonna be a Brosnan fan after DAD?
And the hype for Spectre is incredible.
Its two different actors one who comes in. does his stuff and then goes home to Malibu. The second is a jobbing actor, who gets involved with character, plot etc and drives the film. Much like Connery did in his ones..
+1. Bond aficionados have always returned to OHMSS because it's such a brilliant film and Lazenby was a terrific Bond - don't forget, Connery having quit the series, who else would have been a good alternative? It's always been one of my two or three most watched Bonds and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone.
I'm not sure I'd agree with this. As many people hailed Brosnan as a brilliant Bond following Dalton's departure as hail Craig now, and it's more than likely the same will happen when Craig's tenure ends. Even Roger Moore said "Everyone will forget about Sean and I when they see Pierce" when he visited the set during the making of GE. I don't hear a large number of people saying Craig is better than Connery...
As you say..."to me"...that hasn't been true of the people I've spoken too about this...at the last place I worked more people preferred QoS than CR - which surprised me...but there you have it...
Roger on Daniel Craig
www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0nMeOLP5IE
Sean on Daniel
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJRbRp27sn8
Pierce on Daniel
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKDSiI7rnAA
Tim on Daniel
www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7ANrKMlxUc
Just saying...
Fortunately, Craig does not open the tear pipes too often
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fz3P0zDh6wc
Roger Moore Bonds seem to be looked on a little more favourably.
As a big fan of Roger Moore, I haven't noticed this at all. I still feel like I have to defend Roger Moore as much as I used to.
The Moore Films have always ranked very highly with me.
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