'No Deals, Mr. Bond' as a title?

Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,865MI6 Agent
edited June 2015 in James Bond Literature
I just wanted to ask you chaps your thoughts on the choice of No Deals, Mr. Bond as a title for John Gardner's sixth James Bond continuation novel.

Who do you think was responsible for naming the novel and what do you think a good alternative title would have been?

Do you remember any of the fan reaction to the title around the time that the novel was released?

I'm preparing a piece on the novel and I'd be very grateful to hear your views as members of the literary Bond fan community.

Thanking you,

SM. :) -{
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).

Comments

  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,068Chief of Staff
    I recall that Gardner disowned the title in an interview, claiming it was Glidrose's idea (or perhaps Jonathan Cape's)?
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    I know that one of the alternative Names was 'Oh No Mr Bond!'

    As for Fan Reaction, I can't say because it was released Several Years before I graced this Earth with my Presence.
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    It sounds like a Title for a TV special on the films. I'm not a fan of it.
    I prefer, the use of, expressions or old sayings that can have a double
    Meaning or given a twist can sound macabre. Even " Trigger Mortis"
    is growing on me. ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Will OnceWill Once Surrey, EnglandPosts: 24MI6 Agent
    Can't say I am a fan of that as a title.

    For one thing, it's a negative. Action orientated titles tend to work best as positives. Hunger Games is more effective than "No food games". "You only live Twice" is punchier than "You don't live a second time". There are exceptions (No country for old men), but on the whole positive titles work better than negative ones.

    "No Deals" is ambiguous, but it's not a good ambiguity. It makes me think of haggling for a second-hand car. I can detect a bit of wordplay here - does the word "deals" refer to a card game or a making a deal for his life? That's mildly intriguing, if only I can get the image of Arfur Daley out of my head.

    The "Mr Bond" thing is a turnoff. It is too stiff and formal for me. Who calls him "Mr Bond?" The taxman, hotel concierges and the bad guy. So we are starting the book with a stereotypical and cliched bit of dialogue.

    All in all, sorry but it's a no from me. That's not the sort of title that Fleming would have come up with.
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,917Chief of Staff
    Barbel wrote:
    I recall that Gardner disowned the title in an interview, claiming it was Glidrose's idea (or perhaps Jonathan Cape's)?

    He said exactly that in an interview I read...I'm not sure if he ever mentioned alternative titles though...he said the title was a 'committee choice'...
    YNWA 97
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,865MI6 Agent
    Thank you all so much for replying. I really appreciate it. The article I'm writing will very much seek to bring out the truth about the naming of No Deals, Mr. Bond. I'm hard at work doing research on this subject and will furnish a link when I get it written up (hopefully soon!).

    If any other members want to throw in their two cents I'd love to hear from you in this thread. There's a somewhat fascinating story to tell here, I feel. :)
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • 002002 New ZealandPosts: 558MI6 Agent
    Yeah... As well as being a negative, crap title, "No Deals, Mr Bond" is a bit insipid, too.

    It would have been far better to call it "Bugger!" or "Dammit!"
  • Golrush007Golrush007 South AfricaPosts: 3,421Quartermasters
    While it is not a clever or snappy title, and is never going to be on anybody's list of favourite titles, it has never really bothered me or had me thinking 'What a terrible title!' I think it is okay, and it certainly doesn't detract anything from the novel, which is one of my favourite John Gardner novels.

    It is certainly much better than Oh No Mr Bond!
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    Out of his first seven Novels, NDMB is one of the best -{
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • RevelatorRevelator Posts: 612MI6 Agent
    I'm alone in my opinion, but I think it's one of the best and most memorable titles in the Gardner series. I hear the phrase as coming out of the mouth of an archetypical Bond villain, in character for a Blofeld or Goldfinger. The "deals" obviously refer to desperate bargaining with a powerful enemy who holds all the cards, not to a used-car bargain. And I like the idea of occasionally throwing Bond's name into a title, thus rubbing against the fourth wall.
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,865MI6 Agent
    Thank you very much for your contribution, Revelator. I want to get as many views on the title as humanly possible so it's great to get a positive view on the title too! :) -{
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    I agree Revelator. The Title itself fits into the Story nicely -{
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    I read it after it was published. I didn't think twice about the title's origins, though it did appeal to me immediately because of the Bond villain tone that was obviously the motivation behind it.
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    The best Part of the Novel is when Bond is being hunted by the Assassins on the Island.
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
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