Skyfall - A classic?

MilleniumForce · June 2015

I have been thinking about this for some time now, but has the general reaction to Skyfall been matched before with other Bond films? I mean the way it's on TV often, now being one of the best known films of the 2010's, and how it's included in basically anything to do with Bond on TV, the Internet and especially YouTube. It's quite incredible how three years on, Skyfall is being shown on ITV every couple of weeks. Has it been like this for any other Bond film when they were the most recent in the series? But more importantly, is it already a classic?

AlphaOmegaSin · June 2015

I would personally say that it is a Classic -{

But has it got the same classic Status as Goldfinger, The Spy Who Loved Me, etc ? I would say not yet.

broadshoulder · June 2015

You know it might actually be so...

welshboy78 · June 2015

I think over time the hype will wear off. Enjoy it but I dont think its superb

I think Casino Royale is a classic, Skyfall? No

Gassy Man · June 2015

Popular? Certainly. Profitable? Undeniably. Current? Of course. Good? Not bad. Classic? No.

Higgins · June 2015

welshboy78 wrote:

I think over time the hype will wear off. Enjoy it but I dont think its superb

I think Casino Royale is a classic, Skyfall? No

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Matt S · June 2015

welshboy78 wrote:

I think over time the hype will wear off. Enjoy it but I dont think its superb

I think Casino Royale is a classic, Skyfall? No

Though I think I prefer Skyfall over Casino Royale, I agree with this. I don't think Skyfall will hold up as well.

Holden · June 2015

Higgins wrote:

welshboy78 wrote:

I think over time the hype will wear off. Enjoy it but I dont think its superb

I think Casino Royale is a classic, Skyfall? No

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I'm in the same camp as well. Casino Royale gets better with watching multiple times, whereas Skyfall becomes worse.

AlphaOmegaSin · June 2015

It's lonely here in the Classic Skyfall Club

broadshoulder · June 2015

Its too early to tell..

OHMSS became a legend sometime in the eighties. This film will take time to grow. When others have fallen by the wayside I believe the storyline will hold up. And Mendes direction and Craigs acting will hold up well

Of course if you don't like it now.....you ain't gonna like it ten years time...

The Wicker Man · June 2015

I think to earn the right of classic status a film has to have been around for a number of years. For me Skyfall is a wonderful film, will it stand the test of time - I suspect it will. But will it be seen as a classic? I'm not so sure.
Obviously opinions change over the years. OHMSS for a long time after it's release was not seen with the same affection a lot of fans give to it now and few would believe it is now looked upon as a classic by many.
Of the more modern Bond films Casino Royale appears to have the best chance of being hailed a classic. Some films have an aura about them, the film somehow becomes more than the sum of it's parts, everything clicks into place and for me at least CR seems to have these qualities. I suppose only time will tell.

AlphaOmegaSin · June 2015

CR is defiantly a Classic -{

Thunderpussy · June 2015

I agree CR is a classic, with SF being a very good top ten entry, it's
My #5 Bond film at the moment.

Matt S · June 2015

broadshoulder wrote:

Its too early to tell..

OHMSS became a legend sometime in the eighties. This film will take time to grow. When others have fallen by the wayside I believe the storyline will hold up. And Mendes direction and Craigs acting will hold up well

Of course if you don't like it now.....you ain't gonna like it ten years time...

The problem with OHMSS is that people weren't willing to accept it due to the man playing Bond. Additionally, in America it suffered from the way it was broadcast. It didn't get much television play either. I remember waiting a long time to see it because it was never on television and video rental shops didn't have it. Skyfall doesn't have as strong a story as OHMSS has. Skyfall really hasn't suffered at all now, so I'd hardly compare it to OHMSS. Skyfall is a good film as to what people like today, just as Moonraker was great for audiences of the 1970s. So who knows how it will hold up.

Absolutely_Cart · June 2015

Classic does not necessarily mean quality, although Skyfall is a great film.

Moby Dick is a classic book but that doesn't mean there aren't hundreds of books better than it.

Ultimately, what will matter is the impact it has on the film industry and the films that come after it.

broadshoulder · June 2015

Matt S wrote:

Its too early to tell..

OHMSS became a legend sometime in the eighties. This film will take time to grow. When others have fallen by the wayside I believe the storyline will hold up. And Mendes direction and Craigs acting will hold up well

Of course if you don't like it now.....you ain't gonna like it ten years time...

The problem with OHMSS is that people weren't willing to accept it due to the man playing Bond.

Agreed

Matt S wrote:

Additionally, in America it suffered from the way it was broadcast. It didn't get much television play either. I remember waiting a long time to see it because it was never on television and video rental shops didn't have it.

I'd say it was in the eighties that people could buy it, enjoy it and keep it forever. The furore over lazenby and the British press seem to have subsided and a new generation of Bond fans discovered it.

Matt S wrote:

Skyfall doesn't have as strong a story as OHMSS has. Skyfall really hasn't suffered at all now, so I'd hardly compare it to OHMSS. Skyfall is a good film as to what people like today, just as Moonraker was great for audiences of the 1970s. So who knows how it will hold up.

Skyfall has a strong story whether its as good as OHMSS remains to be seen - that was a Fleming original. The characters you see are all Flemings. But the characters in Skyfall ie M, Silva, Severine all have the touch of Fleming about them...

broadshoulder · June 2015

Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Classic does not necessarily mean quality,

The definition of "classic" means quality

Absolutely_Cart wrote:

although Skyfall is a great film.

Agreed

Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Moby Dick is a classic book but that doesn't mean there aren't hundreds of books better than it.

There are thousands, actually millions of of books worse then it

Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Ultimately, what will matter is the impact it has on the film industry and the films that come after it.

As I said these things take time....review it in ten years time...

Absolutely_Cart · June 2015

broadshoulder wrote:

Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Classic does not necessarily mean quality,

The definition of "classic" means quality

Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Moby Dick is a classic book but that doesn't mean there aren't hundreds of books better than it.

There are thousands, actually millions of of books worse then it

Most classics are great but that doesn't mean most great works are classics.

Number24 · June 2015

I think a movie needs at the minimum five years, probably about ten years befoe anyone can say if it's a classic. In terms of critical reception and ticket sales Skyfall as a good chance of becoming a classic.

Jarvio · June 2015

I would say yes, it is a classic, however, I really have to be in the mood to watch it. It is more epic and character-driven than your average bond film. I guess the DC era on a whole is like that. Not episodic like many of the others.

AdamOmega · June 2015

Skyfall is the victim of over-hype and publicity. It's a solid film but I would say in no way, shape or form is it a classic (especially so soon after it's release), let alone a classic Bond film. There's nothing in Skyfall that hasn't been done better in previous Bond entries, and the script is so navel-gazing and thematically ham-fisted that it loses the essence of a proper Bond film. Not to say that it isn't a good film, but it's certainly overrated & not really a classic in my own opinion. Casino Royale is far more deserving of that title.

Absolutely_Cart · June 2015

Skyfall may be a semi-classic, like You Only Live Twice or The Spy Who Loved Me though.

Matt S · June 2015

Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Skyfall may be a semi-classic, like You Only Live Twice or The Spy Who Loved Me though.

TSWLM is considered one of the most classic Bond films, along with FRWL and GF.

Gassy Man · June 2015

AdamOmega wrote:

Skyfall is the victim of over-hype and publicity. It's a solid film but I would say in no way, shape or form is it a classic (especially so soon after it's release), let alone a classic Bond film. There's nothing in Skyfall that hasn't been done better in previous Bond entries, and the script is so navel-gazing and thematically ham-fisted that it loses the essence of a proper Bond film. Not to say that it isn't a good film, but it's certainly overrated & not really a classic in my own opinion. Casino Royale is far more deserving of that title.

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Gala Brand · June 2015

Thunderpussy wrote:

I agree CR is a classic, with SF being a very good top ten entry, it's
My #5 Bond film at the moment.

It's No. 4 for me.

I'm trying to figure out where you went wrong.

Thunderpussy · June 2015

) I often do that, myself.

Absolutely_Cart · June 2015

Matt S wrote:

Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Skyfall may be a semi-classic, like You Only Live Twice or The Spy Who Loved Me though.

TSWLM is considered one of the most classic Bond films, along with FRWL and GF.

There's a difference between quality and innovation.

TSWLM is of utmost quality and it's one of the best regarded Bond films, but it didn't innovate like FRWL and GF did.

Matt S · June 2015

Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Matt S wrote:

Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Skyfall may be a semi-classic, like You Only Live Twice or The Spy Who Loved Me though.

TSWLM is considered one of the most classic Bond films, along with FRWL and GF.

There's a difference between quality and innovation.

TSWLM is of utmost quality and it's one of the best regarded Bond films, but it didn't innovate like FRWL and GF did.

What does innovation have to do with anything? This is about Skyfall being classic and comparing it to other Bond classics. No definition of classic says anything about innovation, and innovation does make something classic. Here are three definitions of classic that apply to TSWLM:

"of the first or highest quality, class, or rank"

"of enduring interest, quality, or style"

"of or adhering to an established set of artistic or scientific standards or methods"

The second definition here is what most people are thinking about when they think of "classic" films. A classic Bond film is an enduring film.

Absolutely_Cart · June 2015

Hence that's why I said semi-classic. TSWLM isn't a classic like GF and FRWL but it still could be considered a classic in some circles.

Matt S · June 2015

Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Hence that's why I said semi-classic. TSWLM isn't a classic like GF and FRWL but it still could be considered a classic in some circles.

What is the hence? I still don't follow you. You are wrong if you are judging TSWLM as a classic by innovation because that's not what classic means.

Absolutely_Cart · June 2015

Honestly, I'm not going to debate this anymore. It's pure semantics. The problem with the English language is that there are so many vague words that can be interpreted in numerous contexts. Like classic. To some, it means innovation. To some it means quality. To some it means acclaim.

Too bad we didn't speak German because in that language there's literally a word for everything haha.

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