Does anyone here have an issue with Bond knocking over and crushing VW Beetles in the PTS?
It does kinda bother me. Plus, he causes the loss of the back wall of a train car.
And I don't recall Mallory mentioning that to M, or M reprimanding Bond for that.
Thoughts? ?:)
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Does anyone here have an issue with Bond knocking over and crushing VW Beetles in the PTS?
Nope. Its as realistic as that tank chase in GE which cuts a swathe through public property...
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I dunno, but then again, Bond had little choice in that PTS.
With the tank chase it was all or nothing, and property damage was pretty much inevitable.
Come to think of it, yeah, I guess I can let it slide on the SF PTS. The CR PTS beats it anyway.
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Does anyone here have an issue with Bond knocking over and crushing VW Beetles in the PTS?
It does kinda bother me. Plus, he causes the loss of the back wall of a train car.
And I don't recall Mallory mentioning that to M, or M reprimanding Bond for that.
Thoughts? ?:)
Had he caused that mayhem in Britain, his superiors might have been miffed, but when he causes it outside of the UK (and it was happening in the barren mountains in Turkey) I don't think they are as concerned. However, it looks like M is pretty steamed in SP from the mayhem Bond causes in Mexico.
What I think is an interesting point is that at no point when this train is being attacked and demolished during the PTS, the engineer doesn't think to bring it to a stop and call the authorities - especially since everyone is on edge in those areas where there have been terrorists attacks on the railways.
What I think is an interesting point is that at no point when this train is being attacked and demolished during the PTS, the engineer doesn't think to bring it to a stop and call the authorities - especially since everyone is on edge in those areas where there have been terrorists attacks on the railways.
That's consistent with all the other things that don't make sense in SF.
What I think is an interesting point is that at no point when this train is being attacked and demolished during the PTS, the engineer doesn't think to bring it to a stop and call the authorities - especially since everyone is on edge in those areas where there have been terrorists attacks on the railways.
That's consistent with all the other things that don't make sense in SF.
Well you could say that about most of the car chases, fights, action scenes where Bond destroys huge amounts of property. He even steals boats, cars, planes and other items that belong to the public. You guys are looking at SF in a way that suggests you haven't seen the other films at all ) Or at least have selective memory.
What I think is an interesting point is that at no point when this train is being attacked and demolished during the PTS, the engineer doesn't think to bring it to a stop and call the authorities - especially since everyone is on edge in those areas where there have been terrorists attacks on the railways.
That's consistent with all the other things that don't make sense in SF.
Why would you want to stop if you think you're under terrorist attack? Wouldn't you radio ahead to the next station, tell them you're under attack and to have a bunch of well-armed police waiting? And then you'd go as fast as possible to that station. If it's too far, the police could set up a road block at the next crossing.
It's kind of a shame that Severine has such a short span in the movie, she's currently my 2nd fave of the Craig Era Bond girls (after Camille).
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Agreed but look at the impact that brief appearance had.
Yeah, Marlohe acted superbly and her beauty added to the impact of her dialogue with Bond. Truly a fantastic scene.
3 dialogue scenes in the film (the Bond/Q dialogue at the museum, the Bond/Severine dialogue at the casino, and the Bond/Silva dialogue when they first meet) are truly fantastic.
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Yes, I think she was Fantastic. The scene in the casino talking to Bond
She looks both genuinely frightened and unstable. As you say she was
really in only three key scenes, but what scenes -{ all very memorable.
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Yes, I think she was Fantastic. The scene in the casino talking to Bond
She looks both genuinely frightened and unstable. As you say she was
really in only three key scenes, but what scenes -{ all very memorable.
Once shooting, I would have re-written the whole damn movie to include her all the way through! Even at Skyfall! It wouldn't even have had to make much sense (a lot of the movie didn't anyway)- just having her until the end would have made it one of my top 5 Bonds!
I have posted before, that she could be " not a very good actress" but
She was given just a few key scenes and in those short sequences she
was marvellous. Who knows with more scenes her impact could have
Been diminished, until she was just another pretty Bond girl.
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The cut scenes show a little more of her ruthless side which diminished any sympathy the viewer may have felt when she was killed and built up even more depth to the character with redemption, if it could be sought, coming a little too late for her. A few key scenes ended up on the cutting room floor, which makes the uber bluray/DVD version and lack thereof a little confusing. Same with QOS too. I thought the SF version was a certainty this year.
Does anyone here have an issue with Bond knocking over and crushing VW Beetles in the PTS?
Nope. Its as realistic as that tank chase in GE which cuts a swathe through public property...
Notice how we are bothered by the tank in GE but not Moore running amok in paris in VTK. This is due to the tone that is set throughout these different films.
And as I've said before I didn't give a toss about stolen hard drive in SF.
It was pushing the plot forward. Those people were real people when they were taken out and shot. It affected everybody. But it was a mcguffin for pushing the plot forward
It wasn't a worthy plot for a Bond film. Threatening to destroy the world is the absolute minimum in my book.
X-( X-( X-( So you want the cliches back. What was it? - shopping for cliches. A Bond film is only a Bond film when it has a load explosian at the end. Thank god we've moved beyond it.
Having said that, CR's plot was not of this calibre but its such a good film in other respects I let that pass.
CR's plot was Bond against Le Chiffre. He was financier to Quantum. If he'd have won he'd have carried on financing terrorism. He lost....so we saw what happened to him. It was very nearly the plot of the book.
QoS's plot was pathetic and SF even worse. if they wanted to make Silva a real threat then he should have been using his hacker skills to break into NATO's defence grid, or taking control of the internet or disrupting the world's stock markets, etc etc.
Quantums plot was very realistic. Water in a desert country. And we saw what happens when you are denied water, Skyfalls tale was M's demise. Silva was a very realistic villain. A man so twisted with hate for his boss he used his hacker skills to bring her down. James Bond loses in Skyfall. Very realistic plot
What gets me is that Bonds is the platitude "Threatening to destroy the world is the absolute minimum" Does FRWL have a world destroying plot? Does FYEO? Does TLD? No, they are grounded. The smallest plots work well in these situations. A Bond plot doesn't have to be worldshaking to be exciting
And as for GE? Watching it now its so geographically impossible it kicks you out of the story...
As I have said before Bond (the cinematic Bond) is romance not realism. Our first introduction to Bond in DN is him sitting at a Baccarat table in a private club looking debonair and flirting with Sylvia Trench. Lazenby's Bond is first encountered rescuing his future wife Teresa Draco from the sea when she tries to kill herself - again, this is romance. Moore is first encountered in bed with an Italian agent and M drops in unexpectedly - romance - Dalton starts in Ms office in the back of a plane and skydives down to Gibraltar - this is romantic action - Brosnan is similar - bunjy jumps down a dam - more romantic action. Casino Royale - Bond is shadowing a bomb maker in Madagascar - just action.
Wikipedia's definition of a plot hole "A plot hole or plothole is an obvious mistake or missing element in the plot of a fictional work, such as a book, play, film, or TV show. These include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline."
Yes but the impossibility is within the context of the work. Things that may be impossible in a realistic drama may not be impossible in a Bond film. The very fact that Bond is a liability and yet is still employed as a secret agent means that we have to suspend our disbelief.
Plotholes come about more frequently when something happens that defies the logic that the film has set up. For example, in a film about an expert scientist who doesn't know the chemical symbol for oxygen. The film has to contradict what we know about the character in order to force a particular scene or situation. Like in Maid in Manhattan when Ralph Fiennes is shocked that Jennifer Lopez has lied about her identity, despite the fact that he knows that she lied about her name. Of course he might be blinded by love but he does not question the fact that she lied to him.
I would say that Daniel Craig's Bond- at least from what we see of the first two films- is intended to be relatively realistic. There's no crazy gadgets and they have a more serious tone. Skyfall has an oddly serious tone and yet much of it is ridiculous. It is fine as a pastiche but that's what it feels like, rather than a film in its own right.
And as I've said before I didn't give a toss about stolen hard drive in SF.
It was pushing the plot forward. Those people were real people when they were taken out and shot. It affected everybody. But it was a mcguffin for pushing the plot forward
It wasn't a worthy plot for a Bond film. Threatening to destroy the world is the absolute minimum in my book.
X-( X-( X-( So you want the cliches back. What was it? - shopping for cliches. A Bond film is only a Bond film when it has a load explosian at the end. Thank god we've moved beyond it.
Having said that, CR's plot was not of this calibre but its such a good film in other respects I let that pass.
CR's plot was Bond against Le Chiffre. He was financier to Quantum. If he'd have won he'd have carried on financing terrorism. He lost....so we saw what happened to him. It was very nearly the plot of the book.
QoS's plot was pathetic and SF even worse. if they wanted to make Silva a real threat then he should have been using his hacker skills to break into NATO's defence grid, or taking control of the internet or disrupting the world's stock markets, etc etc.
Quantums plot was very realistic. Water in a desert country. And we saw what happens when you are denied water, Skyfalls tale was M's demise. Silva was a very realistic villain. A man so twisted with hate for his boss he used his hacker skills to bring her down. James Bond loses in Skyfall. Very realistic plot
What gets me is that Bonds is the platitude "Threatening to destroy the world is the absolute minimum" Does FRWL have a world destroying plot? Does FYEO? Does TLD? No, they are grounded. The smallest plots work well in these situations. A Bond plot doesn't have to be worldshaking to be exciting
And as for GE? Watching it now its so geographically impossible it kicks you out of the story...
As I have said before Bond (the cinematic Bond) is romance not realism. Our first introduction to Bond in DN is him sitting at a Baccarat table in a private club looking debonair and flirting with Sylvia Trench. Lazenby's Bond is first encountered rescuing his future wife Teresa Draco from the sea when she tries to kill herself - again, this is romance. Moore is first encountered in bed with an Italian agent and M drops in unexpectedly - romance - Dalton starts in Ms office in the back of a plane and skydives down to Gibraltar - this is romantic action - Brosnan is similar - bunjy jumps down a dam - more romantic action. Casino Royale - Bond is shadowing a bomb maker in Madagascar - just action.
Craig was actually introduced in that scene where we learn how Bond earned his 00 status. I'm not sure if that counts as romance though.
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This discussion may be moot. It all depends on SPECTRE. If it is true what I hear from those involved and that have seen the film. Then ALL of Craigs films will become 'classics' as they will tie in successfully to each other and all stand apart from the rest. If it isn't and he goes back on the agreed ending due to box office figures asking for more, then all bets are off. I'm staying in the dark as it's been years since I had the full 'unknowing' experience. But I hope.....
It was pushing the plot forward. Those people were real people when they were taken out and shot. It affected everybody. But it was a mcguffin for pushing the plot forward
X-( X-( X-( So you want the cliches back. What was it? - shopping for cliches. A Bond film is only a Bond film when it has a load explosian at the end. Thank god we've moved beyond it.
CR's plot was Bond against Le Chiffre. He was financier to Quantum. If he'd have won he'd have carried on financing terrorism. He lost....so we saw what happened to him. It was very nearly the plot of the book.
Quantums plot was very realistic. Water in a desert country. And we saw what happens when you are denied water, Skyfalls tale was M's demise. Silva was a very realistic villain. A man so twisted with hate for his boss he used his hacker skills to bring her down. James Bond loses in Skyfall. Very realistic plot
What gets me is that Bonds is the platitude "Threatening to destroy the world is the absolute minimum" Does FRWL have a world destroying plot? Does FYEO? Does TLD? No, they are grounded. The smallest plots work well in these situations. A Bond plot doesn't have to be worldshaking to be exciting
And as for GE? Watching it now its so geographically impossible it kicks you out of the story...
As I have said before Bond (the cinematic Bond) is romance not realism. Our first introduction to Bond in DN is him sitting at a Baccarat table in a private club looking debonair and flirting with Sylvia Trench. Lazenby's Bond is first encountered rescuing his future wife Teresa Draco from the sea when she tries to kill herself - again, this is romance. Moore is first encountered in bed with an Italian agent and M drops in unexpectedly - romance - Dalton starts in Ms office in the back of a plane and skydives down to Gibraltar - this is romantic action - Brosnan is similar - bunjy jumps down a dam - more romantic action. Casino Royale - Bond is shadowing a bomb maker in Madagascar - just action.
Craig was actually introduced in that scene where we learn how Bond earned his 00 status. I'm not sure if that counts as romance though.
As I have said before Bond (the cinematic Bond) is romance not realism. Our first introduction to Bond in DN is him sitting at a Baccarat table in a private club looking debonair and flirting with Sylvia Trench. Lazenby's Bond is first encountered rescuing his future wife Teresa Draco from the sea when she tries to kill herself - again, this is romance. Moore is first encountered in bed with an Italian agent and M drops in unexpectedly - romance - Dalton starts in Ms office in the back of a plane and skydives down to Gibraltar - this is romantic action - Brosnan is similar - bunjy jumps down a dam - more romantic action. Casino Royale - Bond is shadowing a bomb maker in Madagascar - just action.
Craig was actually introduced in that scene where we learn how Bond earned his 00 status. I'm not sure if that counts as romance though.
Oh sorry you are right - I forgot about the PTS. But it was still just action.
Wikipedia's definition of a plot hole "A plot hole or plothole is an obvious mistake or missing element in the plot of a fictional work, such as a book, play, film, or TV show. These include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline."
Yes but the impossibility is within the context of the work. Things that may be impossible in a realistic drama may not be impossible in a Bond film. The very fact that Bond is a liability and yet is still employed as a secret agent means that we have to suspend our disbelief.
Plotholes come about more frequently when something happens that defies the logic that the film has set up. For example, in a film about an expert scientist who doesn't know the chemical symbol for oxygen. The film has to contradict what we know about the character in order to force a particular scene or situation. Like in Maid in Manhattan when Ralph Fiennes is shocked that Jennifer Lopez has lied about her identity, despite the fact that he knows that she lied about her name. Of course he might be blinded by love but he does not question the fact that she lied to him.
I would say that Daniel Craig's Bond- at least from what we see of the first two films- is intended to be relatively realistic. There's no crazy gadgets and they have a more serious tone. Skyfall has an oddly serious tone and yet much of it is ridiculous. It is fine as a pastiche but that's what it feels like, rather than a film in its own right.
There is a concept in screenwriting called unity of action - it is something which can override some plot holes and illogical moments because the impetus of the drama overcomes them. For instance in Star Wars IV, when Luke and Leia are trapped and the storm troopers are trying to re-open the door, the door lifts part way but the storm troopers don't squat down and fire their guns through the gap. This would go against the grand drama of the story and undermine the unity of action. Whenever you watch a move with a really picky person, they are usually oblivious to the unity of action and can only see the story in terms of absolute logic. A good story always balances logic and detail with drama and emotion - if there's too much of one, the drama stalls, if there's too much of the other, the story becomes too unbelievable. Romantic films (including most Bond ones) place the drama and emotion ahead of the logic and detail whereas realistic films place more emphasis on the logic and detail.
Wikipedia's definition of a plot hole "A plot hole or plothole is an obvious mistake or missing element in the plot of a fictional work, such as a book, play, film, or TV show. These include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline."
Yes but the impossibility is within the context of the work. Things that may be impossible in a realistic drama may not be impossible in a Bond film. The very fact that Bond is a liability and yet is still employed as a secret agent means that we have to suspend our disbelief.
Plotholes come about more frequently when something happens that defies the logic that the film has set up. For example, in a film about an expert scientist who doesn't know the chemical symbol for oxygen. The film has to contradict what we know about the character in order to force a particular scene or situation. Like in Maid in Manhattan when Ralph Fiennes is shocked that Jennifer Lopez has lied about her identity, despite the fact that he knows that she lied about her name. Of course he might be blinded by love but he does not question the fact that she lied to him.
I would say that Daniel Craig's Bond- at least from what we see of the first two films- is intended to be relatively realistic. There's no crazy gadgets and they have a more serious tone. Skyfall has an oddly serious tone and yet much of it is ridiculous. It is fine as a pastiche but that's what it feels like, rather than a film in its own right.
There is a concept in screenwriting called unity of action - it is something which can override some plot holes and illogical moments because the impetus of the drama overcomes them. For instance in Star Wars IV, when Luke and Leia are trapped and the storm troopers are trying to re-open the door, the door lifts part way but the storm troopers don't squat down and fire their guns through the gap. This would go against the grand drama of the story and undermine the unity of action. Whenever you watch a move with a really picky person, they are usually oblivious to the unity of action and can only see the story in terms of absolute logic. A good story always balances logic and detail with drama and emotion - if there's too much of one, the drama stalls, if there's too much of the other, the story becomes too unbelievable. Romantic films (including most Bond ones) place the drama and emotion ahead of the logic and detail whereas realistic films place more emphasis on the logic and detail.
Wikipedia's definition of a plot hole "A plot hole or plothole is an obvious mistake or missing element in the plot of a fictional work, such as a book, play, film, or TV show. These include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline."
Yes but the impossibility is within the context of the work. Things that may be impossible in a realistic drama may not be impossible in a Bond film. The very fact that Bond is a liability and yet is still employed as a secret agent means that we have to suspend our disbelief.
Plotholes come about more frequently when something happens that defies the logic that the film has set up. For example, in a film about an expert scientist who doesn't know the chemical symbol for oxygen. The film has to contradict what we know about the character in order to force a particular scene or situation. Like in Maid in Manhattan when Ralph Fiennes is shocked that Jennifer Lopez has lied about her identity, despite the fact that he knows that she lied about her name. Of course he might be blinded by love but he does not question the fact that she lied to him.
I would say that Daniel Craig's Bond- at least from what we see of the first two films- is intended to be relatively realistic. There's no crazy gadgets and they have a more serious tone. Skyfall has an oddly serious tone and yet much of it is ridiculous. It is fine as a pastiche but that's what it feels like, rather than a film in its own right.
There is a concept in screenwriting called unity of action - it is something which can override some plot holes and illogical moments because the impetus of the drama overcomes them. For instance in Star Wars IV, when Luke and Leia are trapped and the storm troopers are trying to re-open the door, the door lifts part way but the storm troopers don't squat down and fire their guns through the gap. This would go against the grand drama of the story and undermine the unity of action. Whenever you watch a move with a really picky person, they are usually oblivious to the unity of action and can only see the story in terms of absolute logic. A good story always balances logic and detail with drama and emotion - if there's too much of one, the drama stalls, if there's too much of the other, the story becomes too unbelievable. Romantic films (including most Bond ones) place the drama and emotion ahead of the logic and detail whereas realistic films place more emphasis on the logic and detail.
I always just thought Stormtrooper uniforms weren't designed for them to be able to get down on the ground and shoot through the opening. They're always just so stiff! I'm the kind of person who gets really annoyed when illogical things get in the way of a practical story.
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300 ft, is nothing. Here's a video of me on Holidays doing close to that.
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It does kinda bother me. Plus, he causes the loss of the back wall of a train car.
And I don't recall Mallory mentioning that to M, or M reprimanding Bond for that.
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Nope. Its as realistic as that tank chase in GE which cuts a swathe through public property...
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With the tank chase it was all or nothing, and property damage was pretty much inevitable.
Come to think of it, yeah, I guess I can let it slide on the SF PTS. The CR PTS beats it anyway.
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Had he caused that mayhem in Britain, his superiors might have been miffed, but when he causes it outside of the UK (and it was happening in the barren mountains in Turkey) I don't think they are as concerned. However, it looks like M is pretty steamed in SP from the mayhem Bond causes in Mexico.
What I think is an interesting point is that at no point when this train is being attacked and demolished during the PTS, the engineer doesn't think to bring it to a stop and call the authorities - especially since everyone is on edge in those areas where there have been terrorists attacks on the railways.
Bond "died" after that scene. By the time he comes back there were plenty more things to worry about.
That's consistent with all the other things that don't make sense in SF.
Well you could say that about most of the car chases, fights, action scenes where Bond destroys huge amounts of property. He even steals boats, cars, planes and other items that belong to the public. You guys are looking at SF in a way that suggests you haven't seen the other films at all
And it's always the Brits who instigate these acts of sabotage! That's why the Baghdad Railway was never finished...
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Yeah, Marlohe acted superbly and her beauty added to the impact of her dialogue with Bond. Truly a fantastic scene.
3 dialogue scenes in the film (the Bond/Q dialogue at the museum, the Bond/Severine dialogue at the casino, and the Bond/Silva dialogue when they first meet) are truly fantastic.
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She looks both genuinely frightened and unstable. As you say she was
really in only three key scenes, but what scenes -{ all very memorable.
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She was given just a few key scenes and in those short sequences she
was marvellous. Who knows with more scenes her impact could have
Been diminished, until she was just another pretty Bond girl.
Notice how we are bothered by the tank in GE but not Moore running amok in paris in VTK. This is due to the tone that is set throughout these different films.
As I have said before Bond (the cinematic Bond) is romance not realism. Our first introduction to Bond in DN is him sitting at a Baccarat table in a private club looking debonair and flirting with Sylvia Trench. Lazenby's Bond is first encountered rescuing his future wife Teresa Draco from the sea when she tries to kill herself - again, this is romance. Moore is first encountered in bed with an Italian agent and M drops in unexpectedly - romance - Dalton starts in Ms office in the back of a plane and skydives down to Gibraltar - this is romantic action - Brosnan is similar - bunjy jumps down a dam - more romantic action. Casino Royale - Bond is shadowing a bomb maker in Madagascar - just action.
Yes but the impossibility is within the context of the work. Things that may be impossible in a realistic drama may not be impossible in a Bond film. The very fact that Bond is a liability and yet is still employed as a secret agent means that we have to suspend our disbelief.
Plotholes come about more frequently when something happens that defies the logic that the film has set up. For example, in a film about an expert scientist who doesn't know the chemical symbol for oxygen. The film has to contradict what we know about the character in order to force a particular scene or situation. Like in Maid in Manhattan when Ralph Fiennes is shocked that Jennifer Lopez has lied about her identity, despite the fact that he knows that she lied about her name. Of course he might be blinded by love but he does not question the fact that she lied to him.
I would say that Daniel Craig's Bond- at least from what we see of the first two films- is intended to be relatively realistic. There's no crazy gadgets and they have a more serious tone. Skyfall has an oddly serious tone and yet much of it is ridiculous. It is fine as a pastiche but that's what it feels like, rather than a film in its own right.
Craig was actually introduced in that scene where we learn how Bond earned his 00 status. I'm not sure if that counts as romance though.
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Oh sorry you are right - I forgot about the PTS. But it was still just action.
There is a concept in screenwriting called unity of action - it is something which can override some plot holes and illogical moments because the impetus of the drama overcomes them. For instance in Star Wars IV, when Luke and Leia are trapped and the storm troopers are trying to re-open the door, the door lifts part way but the storm troopers don't squat down and fire their guns through the gap. This would go against the grand drama of the story and undermine the unity of action. Whenever you watch a move with a really picky person, they are usually oblivious to the unity of action and can only see the story in terms of absolute logic. A good story always balances logic and detail with drama and emotion - if there's too much of one, the drama stalls, if there's too much of the other, the story becomes too unbelievable. Romantic films (including most Bond ones) place the drama and emotion ahead of the logic and detail whereas realistic films place more emphasis on the logic and detail.
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
I always just thought Stormtrooper uniforms weren't designed for them to be able to get down on the ground and shoot through the opening. They're always just so stiff! I'm the kind of person who gets really annoyed when illogical things get in the way of a practical story.