The Most Contrived Action Sequences in the James Bond Film Series?

Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,870MI6 Agent
edited June 2015 in The James Bond Films
What are the most contrived action sequences in the James Bond film series and why?

My personal choices would be:

-the Little Nellie Aerial Battle in YOLT
-the Helga Brandt "defection" sub-plot leading to Bond trapped in a plane without a pilot in YOLT
-the padding of the extended boat chase in bayou country in LALD
-the padding of the car chase in TMWTGG
-the Lotus Road and Underwater Battle in TSWLM
-the ski chase in TWINE

Which would you suggest?

I'd love to hear your suggestions.

If you wish you can read my article on this subject here:

http://www.thebondologistblog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/kingsley-amis-draxs-gambit-and-reform.html
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    As much as I love LTK, I would say that the Tanker Chase could fit on your List.
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Contrived as in made for entertainment (or for the sake of showing off special effects) but unnatural to the narrative and unecessary to the core story?
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,870MI6 Agent
    Contrived as in made for entertainment (or for the sake of showing off special effects) but unnatural to the narrative and unecessary to the core story?

    Basically yes - where the writers decided to shoehorn in an action sequence because they thought that the audience were due another one.
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  • MilleniumForceMilleniumForce LondonPosts: 1,214MI6 Agent
    In that case, just about every pre title sequence.
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  • Thunderbird 2Thunderbird 2 East of Cardiff, Wales.Posts: 2,818MI6 Agent
    edited June 2015
    I'd say the ski-catermeran-bobsleigh-boat-surf-whatever the effing thing it is business in DAD! Mainly because unlike all of the others, poor CGI robbed it of any credible entertainment value.

    Close second the plane fight in QoS, due to similar problems with the parachute jump.

    Little Nellie, The Boatus, The Q Boat, (sighs) action vehicle orchestrated heaven! :D
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  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    Having read your very interesting blog, and also based on your explanation, I would offer the following:

    The training exercise in The Living Daylights
    The tank chase in Goldeneye
    Any number of chases and the sword fight in Die Another Day
    The PTS ski chases in A View to a Kill and The Spy Who Loved Me
    The Silva escape/subway chase/attempted assassination of M in Skyfall

    This is not to say some of these weren't great action sequences, but they generally seem either superfluous to the main plot or require a suspension of disbelief that is extreme in order to accept both their execution and implausibility.

    Some of the examples you cite in your first post, though, I'm not sure I agree with. Little Nellie, for instance, felt less like padding and more like formula -- the helicopter is essentially that film's version of the Aston Martin, which one could argue audiences of the day now expected to see in one form or another in a Bond film. The sequence also serves to remind viewers that Bond is getting too close to Blofeld's lair and to one-up the Japanese, who till that point seemed to be the more technologically innovative.
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    I'd say the ski-catermeran-bobsleigh-boat-surf-whatever the effing thing it is business in DAD! Mainly because unlike all of the others, poor CGI robbed it of any credible entertainment value.

    Close second the plane fight in QoS, due to similar problems with the parachute jump.

    1+

    It's one of the Problems that the Film has.
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  • Thunderbird 2Thunderbird 2 East of Cardiff, Wales.Posts: 2,818MI6 Agent
    Re Gassy Man,

    Thunderbird Too! Completely agree.

    Re AOS,

    Cheers Captain Scarlet! :)
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    To be honest I can cope with action scenes in the films. They break the pace and give someone new to enjoy..

    But theres one I cant..

    Its just so awful

    The whole action scenes for Twine.

    You can actually see the bits which contain the explosives as they run through. You can actually see the Aston where it splits down the middle. The ski chase has explosives near so the stuntmen can be caught as they travel over them. The action scenes, to use an American expression, suck

    It seems to happen in all the Brosnan films
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Let's see... (And by the way, contrived doesn't necessarily mean bad. Some of the best moments in the series were contrived)

    DN - None.
    FRWL - None.
    GF - None.
    TB - You could say the underwater stuff is navel-gazing but it serves the story.
    YOLT - Little Nelli, the gun copter
    OHMSS - None
    DAF - Bambi & Thumper, the Moon Buggy chase and probably half the movie otherwise.

    LALD - Extending the boat chase ; The shark play at the end (to borrow from TB/YOLT)
    MWGG - Extending the car chase. All the Kung Fu stuff.
    TSWLM - None I can think of.
    MR - Most of the movie, to be honest. For example, the swordfight.
    FYEO - The car chase near the beginning.

    CR - Most of the action involved in foiling the terrorist attack.
    QOS - The boat chase. The airplane chase. Scaffolding fight.
    SF - Most of the action in the beginning.

    I'll get to the other movies later.
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    The LALD Boat Chase is perfect the way it is -{
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Any action scene in any Brosnan flick, because, y'know, Brosnan.
    X-(
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,616MI6 Agent
    Any action scene in Casino Royale except the brief car chase.
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  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    Many Pierce Brosnan's action sequences, specially:

    * GE Dam jump.
    * bike chase TND
    * sky chase TWINE
    * caviar factory helicopter chase TWINE
    * CGI tsunami surf in DAD
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    The LALD Boat Chase is perfect the way it is -{

    I said it was contrived - not imperfect.
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Many Pierce Brosnan's action sequences, specially:

    * GE Dam jump.
    * bike chase TND
    * sky chase TWINE
    * caviar factory helicopter chase TWINE
    * CGI tsunami surf in DAD

    I wouldn't really say that the GE Dam Jump is contrived. It fits well into the whole Pacing of the PTS.
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Many Pierce Brosnan's action sequences, specially:

    * GE Dam jump.
    * bike chase TND
    * sky chase TWINE
    * caviar factory helicopter chase TWINE
    * CGI tsunami surf in DAD

    I wouldn't really say that the GE Dam Jump is contrived. It fits well into the whole Pacing of the PTS.

    To be honest - it is contrived. He's got a whopping great rope around his waist and everyone knows this facility just doesn't fit with the rest of the mountain. It was another attempt to get a TSWLM moment...

    Ooops - sounded like Gassyman there :o :o
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    :))

    I do agree with you that the Geography of the Dam and the Mountain don't fit.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    As far as I'm concerned all chases sequences in all action films are
    contrived, so I wouldn't single out Bond. 8-) So long as they are beautifully
    filmed, with a great soundtrack, then I'm happy. -{ simply another "kick"
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    As far as I'm concerned all chases sequences in all action films are
    contrived, so I wouldn't single out Bond. 8-) So long as they are beautifully
    filmed, with a great soundtrack, then I'm happy
    . -{ simply another "kick"
    The Bond films thread, I'm sorry but that's how I feel. :# believe it or not
    I'm a fan of the films. Even the likes of Vertigo or Citizen Kane will fall apart
    When scrutinised too much.

    -{
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    As far as I'm concerned all chases sequences in all action films are
    contrived, so I wouldn't single out Bond. 8-) So long as they are beautifully
    filmed, with a great soundtrack, then I'm happy. -.

    Well said. :)) :)) :))

    Changing the subject

    Wheres Blackleiter?
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    BL is fine, he's attending to a Family Member :)
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Yes, Higgins made contact ( He has people everywhere ) ;)
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  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    :))

    I do agree with you that the Geography of the Dam and the Mountain don't fit.

    I would call that the ultimate in contrived, wouldn't you? jumping a dam to enter a mountain lair? An example of a not contrived sequence would be OHMSS. Helicopter ride up the mountain, then ski down.
  • hehadlotsofgutshehadlotsofguts Durham England Posts: 2,112MI6 Agent
    Always thought Heller's death was contrived. Impaled by a forklift, which crashes through the wall. Think he's been shot in the head too, which makes the forklift part unneccesary.
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  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    As far as I'm concerned all chases sequences in all action films are
    contrived, so I wouldn't single out Bond. 8-) So long as they are beautifully
    filmed, with a great soundtrack, then I'm happy. -{ simply another "kick"
    The Bond films thread, I'm sorry but that's how I feel. :# believe it or not
    I'm a fan of the films. Even the likes of Vertigo or Citizen Kane will fall apart
    When scrutinised too much.

    There is suspension of disbelief in Bond movies in general, true, but this thread is spot on. Some sequences feel more contrived than others. The train fight in FRWL feels less contrived than the tsunami surfing in DAD, does it not?
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    Always thought Heller's death was contrived. Impaled by a forklift, which crashes through the wall. Think he's been shot in the head too, which makes the forklift part unneccesary.

    But it fits with Sanchez's character, established during the movie. Remember he feeds Leiter to a shark, then explodes the head of Crest in a tank...The guy is a psycho, and looks for "imaginative" ways to kill. Actually, when he kills Truman Lodge with a machine gun, it feels rushed, and that's because Sanchez is in a hurry.
  • The Wicker ManThe Wicker Man EnglandPosts: 434MI6 Agent
    edited June 2015
    If by contrived we are meaning an action sequence that is deliberately created rather than one that occurs naturally how about the boat chase in TMWTGG?
    Didn't Lieutenant Hip get the memo from his superiors..... "Look Hip there may come a time when you have to rescue Bond (with your nieces of course) from a ninja school... Whatever you do - make sure Bond is actually in the car before you drive away, this is important. If you leave Bond stranded we will end up having a boat chase action sequence and there is a strong possibility he will bump into Sheriff J.W Pepper."
    Now I could picture Mary Goodnight forgetting Bond, it would fit in with her character. But Hip leaving Bond stranded feels forced and therefore the boat chase that follows contrived.
    To be fair when the action sequences and stunts are done as well as they are in the Bond films I can't blame them for trying to fit an extra one in here and there. -{
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,870MI6 Agent
    Always thought Heller's death was contrived. Impaled by a forklift, which crashes through the wall. Think he's been shot in the head too, which makes the forklift part unneccesary.

    Yes, well noticed. Strangely I'd never thought about Heller's death in that way before. :) -{
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Would there be a chance for those who think some chases / action sequences
    Are contrived. To put their money where there mouth is and give us a short out line
    Of what sequence they would have used and how their idea would have improved
    On what the film makers gave us ?
    I'm a believer in if you point out problems, you really should also contrive a solution
    To solve it. Otherwise you're just a bit of an old curmudgeon :))
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