Is it christmas in september in OHMSS?

Dutchfinger

Watching OHMSS again at the moment. When Bond throws the knife on Draco's kalender, it is implied to be the month of september. He then goes to the office, asks for the two weeks leave and within that time (or shortly after) it is implied that Bond visits Piz Gloria. However now it's all of the sudden christmas time. Did anyone ever notice this? Is this a mistake, or am I missing something that isn't stated?

Thunderpussy

Bond does mention to M that he's been researching his own
Family tree as a cover, this along with him learning a little
about heraldry, would have taken a few months, I guess.

Dutchfinger

Thunderpussy wrote:

Bond does mention to M that he's been researching his own
Family tree as a cover, this along with him learning a little
about heraldry, would have taken a few months, I guess.

Well actually, when he goes to M he was still in his two weeks leave, he told M he's been doing the research during that time, and he also said he already contacted Sir Hilary Bray himself (even though the movie shows that in the next scene, it is implied to be a flashback) So Bond is ready to go and start his undercover mission at that point. But for some reason the movie decides to skip October and november in the next instant :P (atleast, so it seems... )

HatThrowingHenchman

that gave me headaches aswell but I think I've figured it out:
when Bond meets Draco the first time it's septembre; later when they are at his birtdayparty where Bond and Tracy become lovers we see a lot of different scenes featuring them (horseback riding, walk on the beach) and I think these scenes happen over the time of 2,5-3 months so that it's short before X-mas when the Piz Gloria scenes start

Barbel

HatThrowingHenchman wrote:

I think these scenes happen over the time of 2,5-3 months

Sadly, no: Draco tells Bond his birthday is "next week", and as said by Dutchfinger above M says 007 is still on leave, ie within the two weeks granted before James goes to the birthday party.

HatThrowingHenchman

will take a look at these scenes later and maybe draw another conclusion

Charmed & Dangerous

Perhaps Draco just hadn't remembered to turn over his calendar for a couple of months? After all, he did gave other 'distractions' in his office :007)

HatThrowingHenchman

just watched the scenes again and my conclusion is: plot hole
the events of Bond's meeting with Draco to Bond at the college of arms all take place in septembre.when Bond arrives in switzerland you could say that some time has gone by but it doesn't work because:
a) the college of arms is a flashback
b) at 00:48:24 you see Campbell reading a paper that refers to a deleted scene which also took place in septembre

I think it's just a tiny flaw by the filmmakers we over-analyzed

Thunderpussy

We really needed a Montage ! )

HatThrowingHenchman

so who's up for it? -{

Thunderpussy

Rock music starts ....
Bond hitting the Books ( looking completely out of his comfort zone)
Shots of Bond leaving the library, with arms full of Books
Sir Hilary Bray, looking through a glass door as he switches off the lights
Seeing a tired Bond staying on researching.
Bond angrly pushing books off his desk
Sir Hilary ( in a pork pie hat, cigarette in moth, towel round his shoulders) telling
Bond he's a Bum.
More shots of Bond hitting the books ( only more confident ) one pencil between
His teeth, the other behind his ear.
Sir Hillary looking on , gradually smilling as we all see Bond improve.
Last shot.
A nervous Sir Hilary waiting outside test hall, The door opens and a disappointed
Bond appears.......... Quickly his face changes to a broad smile, as he holds up a
Document with " Pass" printed on it.
Sir Hilary puts his hand out to congratulate Him,but Bond slaps it away and gives him
A big man hug !

superdaddy

Also Bond and Sir Hilary spent a couple of weeks kilt shopping )

Thunderpussy

) now that's a totally different " Montage " ..... When the both went on
That camping/fishing trip, to the highlands of Scotland.

superdaddy

) tossing their kabors )

The Debonair Bond

I agree.

this is something that confused me when I was watching the movie the other day

Strangeways

The events at the start of the film are in September. If we return to the novel, it contains one of my favourite opening lines of any novel - not just a 007 adventure

It was one of those Septembers when it felt like the summer would last forever.

The events after Dracos office are in October and November. Bond arrives in Switzerland undercover as Bray in December. Bray takes Christmas off to do brass rubbings in Brittany.

Does this work?

HatThrowingHenchman

Strangeways wrote:

The events at the start of the film are in September. If we return to the novel, it contains one of my favourite opening lines of any novel - not just a 007 adventure

It was one of those Septembers when it felt like the summer would last forever.

The events after Dracos office are in October and November. Bond arrives in Switzerland undercover as Bray in December. Bray takes Christmas off to do brass rubbings in Brittany.

Does this work?

I'm affraid not. the scenes after Draco's office are the heraldry scenes, where Bond also visits M's house. but there, M says that Bond is still on his 2 weeks-leave which he had gotten before the Draco scenes.

Thunderpussy

) works for me Strange ways, I just imagine in my head an on screen title.
" .... Sometime later, Bond arrives in Switzerland ".

HatThrowingHenchman

Thunderpussy wrote:

) works for me Strange ways, I just imagine in my head an on screen title.
" .... Sometime later, Bond arrives in Switzerland ".

I wish it'd be that simple )

Thunderpussy

) luckily I am that simple. ) , I just assume Bond's trip
was later.

Strangeways

OK. OK. But when Bond arrives in Switzerland and is met by Bunt, there is plenty of snow. There wouldn't be snow there in September, so time must have passed and it must be winter - December.

Thunderpussy

Also just before Bond arrives, that is where the deleted
Scenes of the foot chase and the tube tunnel scene with
Q, which might have helped with the sense of time having passed ?

HatThrowingHenchman

Strangeways wrote:

OK. OK. But when Bond arrives in Switzerland and is met by Bunt, there is plenty of snow. There wouldn't be snow there in September, so time must have passed and it must be winter - December.

but then again, there is this deleted scene where Bond follows Hilary Bray's assistant ( who turns out a henchman of Blofeld) through the streets of London where the henchman is finally thrown infront of a train.the MI6 covers up the incident so Blofeld doesn't smell a rat.
later, when Campbell is seen at Lauterbrunnen station, you can briefly see the accident as a headline of his newspaper which makes it a recent topic- in septembre

this illustrates my point (esecially at 6:05)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tr8pWfXi3s

Thunderpussy

To be honest it doesn't have to be a recent topic, may
Have been a report on the inquest, into it. Also the days are
Very short in winter, which may also have sped up the process.

HatThrowingHenchman

Thunderpussy wrote:

Also the days are
Very short in winter, which may also have sped up the process.

either that or Bond took the Delorean for a spin ) -{ wait a second....

Thunderpussy

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x8w95xIdH4o
I suggest you don't worry about it and just enjoy the movie !
( Before Barbel, posts it ) )

HatThrowingHenchman

I really don't care much about it since I love OHMSS abd especially the winter scenes and their athmosphere

btw: cool clip but I've never ever seen a complete AP film

Thunderpussy

) The whole point of being a fan is to go over these tiny details, over and
over again. I too love the film, and have never even noticed it before, but
It will not stop my enjoyment of the film. {[]

HatThrowingHenchman

to be honest it was this thread that even brought it to my attention )
I was always occupied with more important stuff e.g. the stunning locations.

Dutchfinger

Wow! Lots of comments on this! But reading through them I think the overall conclusion here is that it is indeed a plothole. I have seen the movies many times and never really thought about it myself.. But since i'm making detailed video reviews on all the movies and this one is up next, I tend to analyze the movies more closely, thus noticing little tidbits like these. It's just something minor, so for me this is not the reason i'm not a fan of this movie in anyway, but it is probably something I'm going to point out...

Unless somebody here somehow finds the awnser why this should not be a plothole.. But I personally don't see it :P

Matt S

The only explanation I can think of is that Bond's leave was extended by a few months, and the montage is where the time has passed. When Bond arrives at M's house and then at the College of Arms he is wearing an overcoat, probably since the weather has gotten much colder. It's supposed to be December then because of the overcoat and flannel three piece suit. But it doesn't explain why Bond waited from September to December to visit Gumbold's office, and he's still dressed for September in that scene.