Any Bond films that don't use their main theme song in the score?

JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
Any bond films that don't use its main theme song in the score?

I can only think of: LTK, GE, TND, and QOS. Is this right? (I know TND uses Surrender, but I'm just talking about the main themes only)
1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby

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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,865Chief of Staff
    Yes, it's right.
  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,906Chief of Staff
    You don't really hear the "Thunderball" song in the film's score. . .what you hear is "Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang," which was dropped as the theme song almost at the last minute and "Thunderball" written and recorded. There was no time to incorporate it into the score.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,865Chief of Staff
    No, the TB song is used in the casino scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qi3Xy9KAgQ plus some snippets in other scenes.
  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,906Chief of Staff
    Barbel wrote:
    No, the TB song is used in the casino scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qi3Xy9KAgQ plus some snippets in other scenes.

    Well, I tried to hedge my bets by writing "You don't really hear" the song. . .
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    Hardyboy wrote:
    Barbel wrote:
    No, the TB song is used in the casino scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qi3Xy9KAgQ plus some snippets in other scenes.

    Well, I tried to hedge my bets by writing "You don't really hear" the song. . .

    It's in other places too.
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  • Bondage007Bondage007 AustraliaPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    Yeah TB is definitely heard in the score
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    Bondage007 wrote:
    Yeah TB is definitely heard in the score

    Just listening to the TB soundtrack, and the cue "Switching the Body" opens with the TB theme:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1IRXPWdhcw&index=4&list=PL8855330573089E44

    I'm sure I'll be hearing the TB theme throughout the score much more. I don't listen to the earlier scores as much as I listen to the rest. But TB showed a significant maturation from GF.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,865Chief of Staff
    You can hear it in "Bond Below Disco Volante" as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zucuCm-fdQ

    Yes, I agree the TB score is more developed than that of GF. Barry deftly weaves "Thunderball", "Mr Kiss Kiss Bang Bang", "007" and the Bond Theme itself in and out of the cues, creating a more varied listening experience than before. GF, for all its excellence, leans pretty heavily on the main theme in comparison.
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
    TB is probably my favourite score.... which is ironic as TB is probably my least favourite bond film
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    You can hear it in "Bond Below Disco Volante" as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zucuCm-fdQ

    Yes, I agree the TB score is more developed than that of GF. Barry deftly weaves "Thunderball", "Mr Kiss Kiss Bang Bang", "007" and the Bond Theme itself in and out of the cues, creating a more varied listening experience than before. GF, for all its excellence, leans pretty heavily on the main theme in comparison.

    I think the GF score is incredible in the way it uses the main theme. Dawn Raid on Fort Knox is an amazing piece developed creatively from the theme.
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  • Shady TreeShady Tree London, UKPosts: 2,998MI6 Agent
    In QOS, David Arnold uses a squiggle of the main theme in his score though he's clearly much more invested, even for QOS, with motifs from his own CR main theme (and who can blame him?)
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  • Bondage007Bondage007 AustraliaPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    Jarvio wrote:
    TB is probably my favourite score.... which is ironic as TB is probably my least favourite bond film

    Yeah its unfortunate as there is much to like about TB the score being a big one
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,865Chief of Staff
    Matt S wrote:
    I think the GF score is incredible in the way it uses the main theme. Dawn Raid on Fort Knox is an amazing piece developed creatively from the theme.

    Yes, agreed! I'm listening right now. Have you heard any of the cover versions of that piece? Nic Raine's is quite poor, but Roland Shaw's is pretty good.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    I think the GF score is incredible in the way it uses the main theme. Dawn Raid on Fort Knox is an amazing piece developed creatively from the theme.

    Yes, agreed! I'm listening right now. Have you heard any of the cover versions of that piece? Nic Raine's is quite poor, but Roland Shaw's is pretty good.

    I think I've heard Nic Raine's but not Roland Shaw's.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,865Chief of Staff
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:

    That's very interesting. There's a big difference between Roland Shaw and Nic Raine. Shaw interprets the Bond music whilst Raine tries to replicate it. He actual work on the Bond scores makes him qualified to do so, but it always sounds like an imitation. I appreciate Raine's work for the cues he's recorded that haven't been made available on the soundtracks, and his instrumental versions of themes are often fantastic. But Shaw does something different with the Bond music. I don't feel like he's trying to exactly replicate Barry's music like Raine does, though some of his cues sound very close to the originals. His 007 has a very 60s pop sound, just from the drum beat.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,865Chief of Staff
    That mirrors my feeling exactly, Matt. Raine tries to reproduce (sometimes successfully) the Barry sound, while Shaw does his own thing. I'm particularly fond of Shaw's take on "007" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7-bvLbpBrY .
    That said, I've been very happy with Raine's versions of otherwise unavailable Barry/Bond music.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    That mirrors my feeling exactly, Matt. Raine tries to reproduce (sometimes successfully) the Barry sound, while Shaw does his own thing. I'm particularly fond of Shaw's take on "007" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7-bvLbpBrY .
    That said, I've been very happy with Raine's versions of otherwise unavailable Barry/Bond music.

    I completely agree.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,865Chief of Staff
    The last two Silva Screen releases ("Mr Moses" and "The Betsy") have brought me much listening pleasure, and it's a crying shame that their MR project hasn't got off the ground... yet.
  • GoldenEye85GoldenEye85 Posts: 278MI6 Agent
    Where in DaD and Casino are their themes used? As many times as I have watched both films I've never heard them.
    1, GE 2, CR 3, SF 4, TWINE 5, Spectre 6, TMWTGG 7, DAD 8, LALD 9, AVTAK 10, LTK 11, Octopussy 12, Moonraker 13, TLD 14, GF 15, QOS 16, Tomorrow 17, FYEO 18. TSWLM Not seen much: Dr. No, Russia, Thunderball, Twice, Majesty.

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Isn't the disco instrumental of DAD, used in the ice palace party scene ?
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    Where in DaD and Casino are their themes used? As many times as I have watched both films I've never heard them.

    I don't know about Die Another Day, but in Casino Royale the theme is used a considerable amount. See one example here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwsBuB7o0Rk
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,865Chief of Staff
    Thunderpussy is right, it's in the ice palace scene- much to David Arnold's chagrin. And Matt S is correct, too.
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember the DAD theme being used in the snow chase scenes.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,865Chief of Staff
    No, it isn't there, AC.
  • Bondage007Bondage007 AustraliaPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    I'm pretty sure the DAD theme is used very briefly in one scene

    EDIT: Yep during the ice palace bit just after Jinx arrives. Shoehorned in just like in Skyfall
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,865Chief of Staff
    Read back a few posts, Bondage007.
  • Bondage007Bondage007 AustraliaPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    Thunderpussy is right, it's in the ice palace scene- much to David Arnold's chagrin. And Matt S is correct, too.
    Barbel wrote:
    Read back a few posts, Bondage007.

    So was it the producer's decision then?
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Bondage007. Yup, thats it! Right when Bond enters the ice palace.
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