Why do people insist on this timeline when the producers say that they started fresh with Casino Royale? It's a reboot, not a prequel. We can think whatever we want, but the filmmakers have the most say in this matter. And Bond doesn't even meet Moneypenny until SF, so how could Bond know Moneypenny so well before that? If you had to place SF somewhere in relation to the other Bond films, it would still have to be before the others. Dench plays different Ms since the scripts have her with different names (Mawdsley in GoldenEye and Mansfield in Skyfall), so you can't tie her character to both series. It's like Charles Gray, Maud Adams or Shane Rimmer playing multiple characters in the films. It's the DB5 homage that messes people up, since according to the writers the DB5 is supposed to be the same one from CR.
in a certain way, I don't care what the producers said.
and like I mentioned before: even if there are flaws (M's name/Moneypenny appearence) I will stick to my illusion because that's the way I enjoy Bond most!
Like you said, they "mustn't be overthought too hard". That's why I take them for what they are and what the filmmakers say they are. Sorry if I prefer the filmmakers opinions over yours and many other fans'.
that's fine with me
"You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,929Chief of Staff
I think you are 100% wrong in your assessment that Bond is now too old to carry out his job...and I'm somewhat perplexed that anybody could reach that conclusion from Skyfall...however, it's your opinion and that's fine with me -{
I'm closer to Matt S on this...Bond failing the tests is to do with his physical and mental condition...NOT his age -{
I agree that age is not a factor in why Bond failed the tests, although other characters certainly think it is a factor. Mallory makes the comment that it's "a young man's game" and Moneypenny refers to Bond as an "old dog." Q clearly thinks that Bond is a dinosaur during their first meeting and says as much. So while Bond ultimately proved all of them wrong, I can see why someone might attribute Bond's decline early in the film to his age.
Are they even aware that Bond has a bullet in him? I would think that if they were they would have removed the bullet and not ignored it. Is Bond hiding the bullet from them so they don't keep him in hospital to recover?
I agree that age is not a factor in why Bond failed the tests, although other characters certainly think it is a factor. Mallory makes the comment that it's "a young man's game" and Moneypenny refers to Bond as an "old dog." Q clearly thinks that Bond is a dinosaur during their first meeting and says as much. So while Bond ultimately proved all of them wrong, I can see why someone might attribute Bond's decline early in the film to his age.
Are they even aware that Bond has a bullet in him? I would think that if they were they would have removed the bullet and not ignored it. Is Bond hiding the bullet from them so they don't keep him in hospital to recover?
That's actually a very good point, Matt S -{
With all the tests they have him go through, you'd think they would have given him a physical examination too. They know Eve shot him (but probably not the wound from Patrice), and they know he fell off a bridge. Anyway, I could imagine 00-agents would get physical exams more regularly than most people. They gave him a mental examination, so why not a physical? It's just one of the many plot holes in the film.
The way I see it, IF the films need to fit in a set timeline(s), there are three distinct timelines in the series. Timeline 1 is 1962-1985 (DN-AVTAK). Timeline 2 is 1987-2002 (TLD-DAD). Timeline 3 is 2006-present (CR-???). Now, clearly these timelines share similar events and circumstances, which would explain why Bond's marriage to Tracy is mentioned in LTK even if it's not in the same timeline (theoretically). This would also explain why SF mentions exploding pens, has a gadget-laden Aston Martin, and features an aging Bond whose been on a number of missions since we last saw him in QoS.
If Dalton is separate from Moore, why would M need to mention that Gogol was replaced? That's acknowledging the past five films with Gogol were relevant to Dalton's Bond.
I think I covered this. If Moore and Dalton exist in two separate timelines, they're timelines might still share circumstances, plotlines, and characters. So Gogol might exist in both timelines. But I see your point that even if this were the case, there wouldn't necessarily be a need to mention that Pushkin was Gogol's being replaced.
All that being said, I'm not particularly attached to my own timeline theory. Just laying it out for fun. I actually prefer to look at the Bond canon as something far more nebulous that doesn't necessarily need a set timeline(s) to function well as a series.
Are they even aware that Bond has a bullet in him? I would think that if they were they would have removed the bullet and not ignored it. Is Bond hiding the bullet from them so they don't keep him in hospital to recover?
That's actually a very good point, Matt S -{
With all the tests they have him go through, you'd think they would have given him a physical examination too. They know Eve shot him (but probably not the wound from Patrice), and they know he fell off a bridge. Anyway, I could imagine 00-agents would get physical exams more regularly than most people. They gave him a mental examination, so why not a physical? It's just one of the many plot holes in the film.
I agree that age is not a factor in why Bond failed the tests, although other characters certainly think it is a factor. Mallory makes the comment that it's "a young man's game" and Moneypenny refers to Bond as an "old dog." Q clearly thinks that Bond is a dinosaur during their first meeting and says as much. So while Bond ultimately proved all of them wrong, I can see why someone might attribute Bond's decline early in the film to his age.
Are they even aware that Bond has a bullet in him? I would think that if they were they would have removed the bullet and not ignored it. Is Bond hiding the bullet from them so they don't keep him in hospital to recover?
That's actually a very good point, Matt S -{
The piece of metal Bond takes out isn't a bullet, it's a fragment. The bullet hit something else and splintered and a fragment lodged just under Bond's skin. If it had been a bullet, it would have penetrated much deeper. Since the piece of metal was small and covered with scar tissue it may not have shown up on a physical exam.
Also, too, the National Health Service.
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,929Chief of Staff
Are they even aware that Bond has a bullet in him? I would think that if they were they would have removed the bullet and not ignored it. Is Bond hiding the bullet from them so they don't keep him in hospital to recover?
That's actually a very good point, Matt S -{
The piece of metal Bond takes out isn't a bullet, it's a fragment. The bullet hit something else and splintered and a fragment lodged just under Bond's skin. If it had been a bullet, it would have penetrated much deeper. Since the piece of metal was small and covered with scar tissue it may not have shown up on a physical exam.
Also, too, the National Health Service.
It's a fragment of the bullet that's removed...I think Bond is with BUPA
In my world the films are the reminiscences of an ageing Bond in a
Nursing home. Hence why there are a few mistakes, as he's old now
and gets some of his facts mixed up.
CR67 was a nightmare Bond had, when on a different medication, same
with NSNA, when he ate the cheese before going to bed.
Thanks for the explanation, makes the most sense so far. Although I'm beginning to form yet another theory: DC Bond watched SC Bond movies as a child. That's why he chose spying as a career, and did everything he could to become professionally known as 007, just like his movie idol. That's why he was so keen on getting a DB5, and once he got one, he customised it himself in his spare time to look and work like the one in Goldfinger. Are you buying it so far???
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that's fine with me
That's actually a very good point, Matt S -{
Bond probably didn't want the other "00s" making
fun of him.
With all the tests they have him go through, you'd think they would have given him a physical examination too. They know Eve shot him (but probably not the wound from Patrice), and they know he fell off a bridge. Anyway, I could imagine 00-agents would get physical exams more regularly than most people. They gave him a mental examination, so why not a physical? It's just one of the many plot holes in the film.
I think I covered this. If Moore and Dalton exist in two separate timelines, they're timelines might still share circumstances, plotlines, and characters. So Gogol might exist in both timelines. But I see your point that even if this were the case, there wouldn't necessarily be a need to mention that Pushkin was Gogol's being replaced.
All that being said, I'm not particularly attached to my own timeline theory. Just laying it out for fun. I actually prefer to look at the Bond canon as something far more nebulous that doesn't necessarily need a set timeline(s) to function well as a series.
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Ahh, now you're just being logical
For me it's needlepoint and Broadway show tunes.
The piece of metal Bond takes out isn't a bullet, it's a fragment. The bullet hit something else and splintered and a fragment lodged just under Bond's skin. If it had been a bullet, it would have penetrated much deeper. Since the piece of metal was small and covered with scar tissue it may not have shown up on a physical exam.
Also, too, the National Health Service.
It's a fragment of the bullet that's removed...I think Bond is with BUPA
Thanks for the explanation, makes the most sense so far. Although I'm beginning to form yet another theory: DC Bond watched SC Bond movies as a child. That's why he chose spying as a career, and did everything he could to become professionally known as 007, just like his movie idol. That's why he was so keen on getting a DB5, and once he got one, he customised it himself in his spare time to look and work like the one in Goldfinger. Are you buying it so far???