TLD has a serious plot mixed with some brilliant OTTness (milk bottle and cello case) great action (cargo net fight at the end) and a brilliant score. Damn near perfect. The main issue is while Dalton is great his one liners are very uncomfortably delivered
eventhough it isn't my favourite film, I'd have to say Goldfinger.
It's the movie that established the formula that all future installments followed (or tried to).
"You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
In the spirit of this thread, I watched OHMSS and TLD this week.
OHMSS is definitely not flawless, for example the huge plot hole blunder of Bond "not" getting his professional details right.
TLD was even better than I remembered. I've often criticized Moneypenny, Felix Leiter, and the second half being weaker than the first. However, last night none of that seemed to matter. I just really enjoyed it start to finish.
Fleming's short stories hold up quite well on film:
Property of a Lady is a flawless part of Octopussy.
Risico is a flawless part of FYEO.
TLD is a flawless part of TLD. In fact, I would rank most of TLD as flawless with just a few minor grips. (Why does Bond shoot over the heads of all 3 main villains when he surprises them on the cargo plane???Why waste all ppk ammo on the tiny piece of clear body armour???)
Overall, I would rank Goldfinger and TSWLM as the most flawless Bond films. They are both perfect examples of the series at its absolute finest. Moonraker comes very close, except for Jaws flapping his wings in the PTS and 7up product placement. The neat thing about MR is I enjoy each scene immensely, while eagerly looking forward to the next.
My current 10 favorite:
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
To me there is hands down no flawless Bond film. I love the movies so much but I can definitely pick apart aspects of even my favourite ones. However it is these imperfections that are often part of what I love about the series and relish that these films are not "perfect."
"Mango, banana and tangerine. Sugar and ackee and cocoa bean!"
However it is these imperfections that are often part of what I love about the series and relish that these films are not "perfect."
Exactly! The Bond novels upon which the film franchise was based are basically the stuff of pulp fiction- to expect a Bond film to hit the heights of The Godfather or Lawrence Of Arabia is silly. In fact, YOLT had gobs of money thrown at it, a big name writer, AND the cinematographer FROM Lawrence Of Arabia, and it's still just a big, giant B-movie. And I think Bond movies work best as sheer entertainment and not wannabe Oscar winners.
And I think Bond movies work best as sheer entertainment and not wannabe Oscar winners.
Well a little of both would be ideal )
I agree with chris. The Oscars have questionable criteria anyway.
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Okay guys, imagine this: OHMSS with a TB era Connery. IMO THAT would be perfection, and it would also be bad for every other Bond film made after, because no other would ever match that perfection. A perfect Bond movie could kill the entire franchise!
Drax has some wonderful lines in Moonraker, and his delivery of
them is masterful. -{
He sure does! Although Drax gets more good lines, imo Kamal Khan has has the best delivery of his two classic lines soon to made extinct, and nasty habit of surviving.
From Russia With Love comes close, as does On Her Majesty's Secret Service. To me, they both have only one flaw, which it shares with every other Bond film: Fleming's novels were better.
Other than that, it's about as flawless as a Bond film can be.
On a personal level, if there IS a flawless Bond movie, TND is it. Oh yeah, I know the 'generic' arguments, and yeah, lots of machine gun fire- whatever. It truly is the ONE Bond movie that I personally find no flaw at all in. -{
Goldfinger could have a good case for being flawless.
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
The biggest flaw in TSWLM for me (if anything) is the plot, but I don't let it bother me too much.
I think plots weren't Gilbert's forte, but he's still possibly my fave of the 007 directors.
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Comments
I can find more flaw with OHMSS.
Basically flawless-
DN
FRWL
GF
TB
OHMSS
TSWLM
TLD
LTK
CR
Sort of flawless-
LALD
FYEO
QOS
Flawed-
YOLT
TMWTGG
OP
AVTAK
GE
TND
TWINE
SF
So flawed-
DAF
MR
DAD
Hmmm?
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
1+
TLD did everything very near to perfection in my View -{
But that just may be me (us).
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
It's the movie that established the formula that all future installments followed (or tried to).
OHMSS is definitely not flawless, for example the huge plot hole blunder of Bond "not" getting his professional details right.
TLD was even better than I remembered. I've often criticized Moneypenny, Felix Leiter, and the second half being weaker than the first. However, last night none of that seemed to matter. I just really enjoyed it start to finish.
Fleming's short stories hold up quite well on film:
Property of a Lady is a flawless part of Octopussy.
Risico is a flawless part of FYEO.
TLD is a flawless part of TLD. In fact, I would rank most of TLD as flawless with just a few minor grips. (Why does Bond shoot over the heads of all 3 main villains when he surprises them on the cargo plane???Why waste all ppk ammo on the tiny piece of clear body armour???)
Overall, I would rank Goldfinger and TSWLM as the most flawless Bond films. They are both perfect examples of the series at its absolute finest. Moonraker comes very close, except for Jaws flapping his wings in the PTS and 7up product placement. The neat thing about MR is I enjoy each scene immensely, while eagerly looking forward to the next.
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
Well a little of both would be ideal
I agree with chris. The Oscars have questionable criteria anyway.
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
My sense of humour doesn't sway you, agent?
" Not being English (or from the Colonies) I sometimes find your sense of
Humour rather difficult to follow "
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
Lines like that are the reason why I can't dislike Moonraker. That scene is hilarious
them is masterful. -{
He sure does! Although Drax gets more good lines, imo Kamal Khan has has the best delivery of his two classic lines soon to made extinct, and nasty habit of surviving.
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
" Pros and Cons" threads ?
http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/45494/can-we-ban-anyone-whos-starting-another-ranking-or-pros-and-cons/
Other than that, it's about as flawless as a Bond film can be.
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
Anyone else?
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Disagree. The film is perfect until the Fort Knox raid then it all becomes a bit of a mess. Bond doesn't even save the day!
I don't really think any Bond film is flawless. Although I may nominate TSWLM as a contender
"Better make that two."
I think plots weren't Gilbert's forte, but he's still possibly my fave of the 007 directors.
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Nothing wrong with the plot....
"Better make that two."