I read a copy of the leaked script yeaterday whilst bored on the plane!
The last line of the very movie had a huge nod to OHMSS but I guess was omitted at some point - bit of a shame really (unless im deaf and didnt hear it lol)
Is this still knocking around mate? Might cast my eye over it now I have seen the film a couple of times.
I read a copy of the leaked script yeaterday whilst bored on the plane!
The last line of the very movie had a huge nod to OHMSS but I guess was omitted at some point - bit of a shame really (unless im deaf and didnt hear it lol)
Could you send me the link in a PM? I've seen the film twice now and I really like to know how some thing changed overall.
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I read a copy of the leaked script yeaterday whilst bored on the plane!
The last line of the very movie had a huge nod to OHMSS but I guess was omitted at some point - bit of a shame really (unless im deaf and didnt hear it lol)
Would it be too much to ask if I could have a glance at this?
Could you pm it to me please?
“The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
On another note, does anyone here besides me think Fiennes's performance as M in SP is Oscar-worthy?
Ralph Fiennes he's proven that he is up there with Bernard Lee for best M, but I don't think he did anything to make him Oscar-worthy.
I disagree. I thought it was a step back. He seem more resolute, dignified, and strong in SF. He seemed really old in Spectre.
He's younger than Bernard Lee in DN, and Lee still seems a lot older. Fiennes is the youngest M, so I don't have a problem if he seems a bit older. He looks about the same as Daniel Craig.
On another note, does anyone here besides me think Fiennes's performance as M in SP is Oscar-worthy?
Ralph Fiennes he's proven that he is up there with Bernard Lee for best M, but I don't think he did anything to make him Oscar-worthy.
I disagree. I thought it was a step back. He seem more resolute, dignified, and strong in SF. He seemed really old in Spectre.
I agree that it seemed a step back, in Skyfall I got that sense that Bond would really come to respect him like he did Bernsrd Lee, but here he seems out of his depth and floundering.I do get that the threat to the 00 section drives that but it felt a bit of a let down.
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
I'm about to go see it for the 2nd time in 24hours...Finally released in Oz! The main gripe I have is the recycled SF score. It was made for SF scenes and the notes didn't match the action of SPECTRE. It was just SO LAZY. The music for the motorcycle chase in Istanbul was spectacular because it was made for it. Now in SPECTRE it was distracting and just put over the top of the scene (I forget which one), but the notes did not go with what was happening on screen, which makes a Bond score. I'm sooooo angry. Maybe someone could rescore and rerelease....
Below are a few suggestions that may have worked better:
1. A shorter PTS
PTS starts brilliantly. However, it is long. The helicopter part does not seem to add much value (esp. in the 3rd viewing). May be have the PTS end when Bond lands on the sofa (till that point the PTS is brilliant). Have Sciarra killed in that blast. .... Of course, Bond would hv acquired the SPECTRE ring through other means. May be in the mailbox with old M's msg
2. Trim Morroco parts
a) May be the 'l'americian' (or name it something else) could hv been the deserted train station where Bond and Swann are picked up in the 1948 RR .... After Q, Swann and Bond discuss Spectre in Austria, the next scene could hv started with the train sequence (removing the l'americian part)
b) In the train sequence, remove Hinx-007 fight (again does not add much value. it more like noise instead of a breathtaking stunt). Also ending Hinx's role with him being alive in Austria after the chase sequence could hv created more interest esp. with respect to future possibilities ... Swann and Bond would have connected on train post drinks (instead of after the end of that fight)
3. End Blofeld's part in Morroco
After the facility gets blown and Bond flies away in the helicopter, Blofeld could have limped out of the facility. He would have also acquired the "fresh" scar .... While dragging himself out, he would look at the flying helicopter in anger and pain .... Thus Blofeld future could have been open to various interpretation rather than being caught
4. Trim London sequence
a) M and Q would take on C (with C falling off like he did). Saving time on some of the sequences in London including Bond-M meeting, Bond getting captured, Bond saving Swann, and Bond showdown with Blofeld
b) After M thanks Bond, Bond would drive away with Swann in the Aston which would also leave his future open to interpretation (rather than the drama about him leaving. We know 007 will return)
(initially wrote it on cellphone, now edited on PC)
Undeveloped characters. Unjustified motives. Forced romance. Good action. Fantastic opening. Does that sound fair? And here's a list of the dumb things James Bond does in Spectre that I can remember off the top of my head.
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[*]Hands himself over to the enemy and gets tortured.[/*]
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[*]Doesn't kill or make sure Blofeld and Hinx are dead when he has the perfect opportunity.[/*]
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[*]Leaves a wanted woman wondering the streets alone at night.[/*]
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I read a copy of the leaked script yeaterday whilst bored on the plane!
The last line of the very movie had a huge nod to OHMSS but I guess was omitted at some point - bit of a shame really (unless im deaf and didnt hear it lol)
Hi Welshboy, I would be interested to take a peek at this too if you wouldn't mind PM'ing it -{
Undeveloped characters. Unjustified motives. Forced romance. Good action. Fantastic opening. Does that sound fair? And here's a list of the dumb things James Bond does in Spectre that I can remember off the top of my head.
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[*]Hands himself over to the enemy and gets tortured.[/*]
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[*]Doesn't kill or make sure Blofeld and Hinx are dead when he has the perfect opportunity.[/*]
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[*]Leaves a wanted woman wondering the streets alone at night.[/*]
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bit of a reduntant list, as does these thing not for the first time !
"You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
PTS starts brilliantly. However, it is long. The helicopter part does not seem to add much value (esp. in the 3rd viewing). May be have the PTS end when Bond lands on the sofa (till that point the PTS is brilliant). Have Sciarra killed in that blast. .... Of course, Bond would hv acquired the SPECTRE ring through other means. May be in the mailbox with old M's msg
But how would she have gotten the ring? In the film, I thought SPECTRE wasn't known by anyone. M just knew about Sciarra. So tanak would mean M knew of this organisation's existence (if she gave Bind the ring, she clearly felt it must be important) and, as the head of the secret service, didn't send anyone to investigate?
And the PTS would have been a bit anti climatic with it ending there.
2. Trim Morroco parts
a) May be the 'l'americian' (or name it something else) could hv been the deserted train station where Bond and Swann are picked up in the 1948 RR .... After Q, Swann and Bond discuss Spectre in Austria, the next scene could hv started with the train sequence (removing the l'americian part)
Wasn't Mr White looking for the place in the crater? If he was, why would he be so close to it and know nothing about it?
b) In the train sequence, remove Hinx-007 fight (again does not add much value. it more like noise instead of a breathtaking stunt). Also ending Hinx's role with him being alive in Austria after the chase sequence could hv created more interest esp. with respect to future possibilities ... Swann and Bond would have connected on train post drinks (instead of after the end of that fight)
I'm shocked someone's said that.......that was one of the best bits!
3. End Blofeld's part in Morroco
After the facility gets blown and Bond flies away in the helicopter, Blofeld could have limped out of the facility. He would have also acquired the "fresh" scar .... While dragging himself out, he would look at the flying helicopter in anger and pain .... Thus Blofeld future could have been open to various interpretation rather than being caught
That would have angered many people - if that was the case, Blofeld wouldn't have done anything in the film. And he would have been underused.
4. Trim London sequence
a) M and Q would take on C (with C falling off like he did). Saving time on some of the sequences in London including Bond-M meeting, Bond getting captured, Bond saving Swann, and Bond showdown with Blofeld
That was already short as it was - any shorter it would just be rushed.
b) After M thanks Bond, Bond would drive away with Swann in the Aston which would also leave his future open to interpretation (rather than the drama about him leaving. We know 007 will return)
Thee wasn't much drama about him leaving - in fact, the only thing that told us he had left was Q's line 'I thought you left'. That also would create a problem; when would Bind have got his Aston back?
PTS starts brilliantly. However, it is long. The helicopter part does not seem to add much value (esp. in the 3rd viewing). May be have the PTS end when Bond lands on the sofa (till that point the PTS is brilliant). Have Sciarra killed in that blast. .... Of course, Bond would hv acquired the SPECTRE ring through other means. May be in the mailbox with old M's msg
But how would she have gotten the ring? In the film, I thought SPECTRE wasn't known by anyone. M just knew about Sciarra. So tanak would mean M knew of this organisation's existence (if she gave Bind the ring, she clearly felt it must be important) and, as the head of the secret service, didn't send anyone to investigate?
And the PTS would have been a bit anti climatic with it ending there.
2. Trim Morroco parts
a) May be the 'l'americian' (or name it something else) could hv been the deserted train station where Bond and Swann are picked up in the 1948 RR .... After Q, Swann and Bond discuss Spectre in Austria, the next scene could hv started with the train sequence (removing the l'americian part)
Wasn't Mr White looking for the place in the crater? If he was, why would he be so close to it and know nothing about it?
b) In the train sequence, remove Hinx-007 fight (again does not add much value. it more like noise instead of a breathtaking stunt). Also ending Hinx's role with him being alive in Austria after the chase sequence could hv created more interest esp. with respect to future possibilities ... Swann and Bond would have connected on train post drinks (instead of after the end of that fight)
I'm shocked someone's said that.......that was one of the best bits!
3. End Blofeld's part in Morroco
After the facility gets blown and Bond flies away in the helicopter, Blofeld could have limped out of the facility. He would have also acquired the "fresh" scar .... While dragging himself out, he would look at the flying helicopter in anger and pain .... Thus Blofeld future could have been open to various interpretation rather than being caught
That would have angered many people - if that was the case, Blofeld wouldn't have done anything in the film. And he would have been underused.
4. Trim London sequence
a) M and Q would take on C (with C falling off like he did). Saving time on some of the sequences in London including Bond-M meeting, Bond getting captured, Bond saving Swann, and Bond showdown with Blofeld
That was already short as it was - any shorter it would just be rushed.
b) After M thanks Bond, Bond would drive away with Swann in the Aston which would also leave his future open to interpretation (rather than the drama about him leaving. We know 007 will return)
Thee wasn't much drama about him leaving - in fact, the only thing that told us he had left was Q's line 'I thought you left'. That also would create a problem; when would Bind have got his Aston back?
1. Old M could have got the ring in the same way she learned about Sciarra (she asked Bond to kill Sciarra ) .... Also knowing bout or finding the ring would not automatically imply uncovering SPECTRE. It only implies that the ring needs to be investigated
2. In the latter case, the story would be changed to Mr. White knowing the whereabouts of the crater (rather than just looking for it) and him hiding out of fear of getting killed because of the info he has acquired
3. IMO, train fight was OK. SPECTRE is not an out and out action film such as say TLD so it can afford to focus on story telling. The helicopter fight in the PTS also sets wrong expectations for the film (as there is relatively less action in this movie) which could be one of the reasons many have negative feeling about this film
4. Quality over Quantity. Also some additional sequences involving Blofeld could be included. May be a more detailed escape from his lair like in Dr. No
5. In the version, I suggested, since Blofeld is believed to have taken care of in Morocco, the London sequence could be limited to 'that" exchange b/w M and C in C's office. So after Bond flies away and Blofeld drags himself out, the next scene would be at C's office where M is waiting for him and Q is shutting the system down. (It would be implied that Bond informed M so M took that action)
6. True. But it can still be implied that Bond made that decision (since one always has a choice was discussed on the train). On the other hand, Bond just driving away with Swann would have appeared more classic (w/o unnecessary exchanges including "I have better things to do" by Bond when does not shoot Blofeld who asks for the trigger to be pulled) .... May be, at the end, even include a scene of Blofeld looking at them through binoculars when Bond and Swann are driving away .... and the credits roll
Mexico City
b) From Dead are alive to Bond landing on the sofa (Sciarra is killed in the blast. No helicopter fight sequence)
c) Title song comes on
Part A
From London to Rome .... minor adjustment in story to account of SPECTRE's ring
Part B
Austria .... minor story adjustment to account for Morocco's sequence starting with the train running in the desert (instead of at L'americian)
Part C
Morocco
a) Would start with the train sequence
b) No 007-Hinx fight on the train
c) Bond and Swann are picked up by the RR
d) Slightly extended sequence at Blofeld's lair .... May be a possibility of 007-Hinx battle as well
e) Bond and Swann escape in Helicopter .... Blofeld is shown limping or dragging himself out of the rubble
End
London
a) M & Q handle C
b) Bond and Swann drive away
c) Blofeld is shown with the scar. He is looking at Bond and Swann drive away through binoculars (could turn in to an iconic moment )
d) Credits roll
Well. I just watched it and I adored it!
Bond back to fine form. Skyfall was great but this film takes the cake for Craig's most Bondian performance. Blofeld was superb. I do really hope that he would be back for B25.
Madeleine Swann is gorgeous. Loved every scene she was in. -{
The "author of your pain" twist works fine for me. It's a nice connection between the films and it, to me, does not feel shoe horned. It is more than likely that Silva needed help getting his income and men, makes Sense that Spectre would help him.
The fight scenes were truly special and I just felt like a little kid during the whole time. A big smile on my face. The gun barrel at the start was fantastic, the pre title was the best I've seen. Period. And the helicopter scene was lovely. Sam smiths song gave me goosebumps.
Aston Martin chase scene was superbly shot and very funny. There were almost Moore moments there which made me laugh more.
Tangier train scene was probably my favourite scene however when the old mi6 building gets blown up that was a highlight. I'm just singing at the moment. Bond is back. The hot girls are too. Craig is brilliant. I could die of happiness, except I need more, can't wait for Bond 25
“The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
I'm just singing at the moment. Bond is back. The hot girls are too. Craig is brilliant. I could die of happiness, except I need more, can't wait for Bond 25
Welcome to the SPECTRE fan club, my friend! {[] B-)
I'm just singing at the moment. Bond is back. The hot girls are too. Craig is brilliant. I could die of happiness, except I need more, can't wait for Bond 25
Welcome to the SPECTRE fan club, my friend! {[] B-)
It's great to be here! I understand about the usual Post bond film hype. But that film was superb. Gosh.
this film takes the cake for Craig's most Bondian performance
Totally agree, contributes so much for me and my admiration for the film. Great you enjoyed it!! {[]
Thanks heartbroken drax, nice to see a NZ fan like me on the website. And someone who enjoyed it as much as me. He seemed to ooze confidence this time. Loved it to bits. A nice progression of character from CR to SP
“The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
Comments
Is this still knocking around mate? Might cast my eye over it now I have seen the film a couple of times.
Could you send me the link in a PM? I've seen the film twice now and I really like to know how some thing changed overall.
Ian Dunross's Inverse Law of Die Another Day "The more people trash Die Another Day, the more likely elements will end up in the next Bond Film".
I disagree. I thought it was a step back. He seem more resolute, dignified, and strong in SF. He seemed really old in Spectre.
Could you pm it to me please?
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
He's younger than Bernard Lee in DN, and Lee still seems a lot older. Fiennes is the youngest M, so I don't have a problem if he seems a bit older. He looks about the same as Daniel Craig.
I'd say "stately"
"Better make that two."
I agree that it seemed a step back, in Skyfall I got that sense that Bond would really come to respect him like he did Bernsrd Lee, but here he seems out of his depth and floundering.I do get that the threat to the 00 section drives that but it felt a bit of a let down.
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Below are a few suggestions that may have worked better:
1. A shorter PTS
PTS starts brilliantly. However, it is long. The helicopter part does not seem to add much value (esp. in the 3rd viewing). May be have the PTS end when Bond lands on the sofa (till that point the PTS is brilliant). Have Sciarra killed in that blast. .... Of course, Bond would hv acquired the SPECTRE ring through other means. May be in the mailbox with old M's msg
2. Trim Morroco parts
a) May be the 'l'americian' (or name it something else) could hv been the deserted train station where Bond and Swann are picked up in the 1948 RR .... After Q, Swann and Bond discuss Spectre in Austria, the next scene could hv started with the train sequence (removing the l'americian part)
b) In the train sequence, remove Hinx-007 fight (again does not add much value. it more like noise instead of a breathtaking stunt). Also ending Hinx's role with him being alive in Austria after the chase sequence could hv created more interest esp. with respect to future possibilities ... Swann and Bond would have connected on train post drinks (instead of after the end of that fight)
3. End Blofeld's part in Morroco
After the facility gets blown and Bond flies away in the helicopter, Blofeld could have limped out of the facility. He would have also acquired the "fresh" scar .... While dragging himself out, he would look at the flying helicopter in anger and pain .... Thus Blofeld future could have been open to various interpretation rather than being caught
4. Trim London sequence
a) M and Q would take on C (with C falling off like he did). Saving time on some of the sequences in London including Bond-M meeting, Bond getting captured, Bond saving Swann, and Bond showdown with Blofeld
b) After M thanks Bond, Bond would drive away with Swann in the Aston which would also leave his future open to interpretation (rather than the drama about him leaving. We know 007 will return)
(initially wrote it on cellphone, now edited on PC)
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Needless to say, it was a completely different experience.
I loved the film and I thought it did most things right.
I have a feeling that this is one of those that will get better with each viewing.
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[*]Hands himself over to the enemy and gets tortured.[/*]
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[*]Doesn't kill or make sure Blofeld and Hinx are dead when he has the perfect opportunity.[/*]
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[*]Leaves a wanted woman wondering the streets alone at night.[/*]
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Hi Welshboy, I would be interested to take a peek at this too if you wouldn't mind PM'ing it -{
Why should he have killed Blofeld? The ultimate goal is to capture villains to learn from them, not to kill them. Bond thus succeeded.
But how would she have gotten the ring? In the film, I thought SPECTRE wasn't known by anyone. M just knew about Sciarra. So tanak would mean M knew of this organisation's existence (if she gave Bind the ring, she clearly felt it must be important) and, as the head of the secret service, didn't send anyone to investigate?
And the PTS would have been a bit anti climatic with it ending there.
Wasn't Mr White looking for the place in the crater? If he was, why would he be so close to it and know nothing about it?
I'm shocked someone's said that.......that was one of the best bits!
That would have angered many people - if that was the case, Blofeld wouldn't have done anything in the film. And he would have been underused.
That was already short as it was - any shorter it would just be rushed.
Thee wasn't much drama about him leaving - in fact, the only thing that told us he had left was Q's line 'I thought you left'. That also would create a problem; when would Bind have got his Aston back?
1. Old M could have got the ring in the same way she learned about Sciarra (she asked Bond to kill Sciarra
2. In the latter case, the story would be changed to Mr. White knowing the whereabouts of the crater (rather than just looking for it) and him hiding out of fear of getting killed because of the info he has acquired
3. IMO, train fight was OK. SPECTRE is not an out and out action film such as say TLD so it can afford to focus on story telling. The helicopter fight in the PTS also sets wrong expectations for the film (as there is relatively less action in this movie) which could be one of the reasons many have negative feeling about this film
4. Quality over Quantity. Also some additional sequences involving Blofeld could be included. May be a more detailed escape from his lair like in Dr. No
5. In the version, I suggested, since Blofeld is believed to have taken care of in Morocco, the London sequence could be limited to 'that" exchange b/w M and C in C's office. So after Bond flies away and Blofeld drags himself out, the next scene would be at C's office where M is waiting for him and Q is shutting the system down. (It would be implied that Bond informed M so M took that action)
6. True. But it can still be implied that Bond made that decision (since one always has a choice was discussed on the train). On the other hand, Bond just driving away with Swann would have appeared more classic (w/o unnecessary exchanges including "I have better things to do" by Bond when does not shoot Blofeld who asks for the trigger to be pulled) .... May be, at the end, even include a scene of Blofeld looking at them through binoculars when Bond and Swann are driving away .... and the credits roll
Opening
a) Gun barrel sequence
Mexico City
b) From Dead are alive to Bond landing on the sofa (Sciarra is killed in the blast. No helicopter fight sequence)
c) Title song comes on
Part A
From London to Rome .... minor adjustment in story to account of SPECTRE's ring
Part B
Austria .... minor story adjustment to account for Morocco's sequence starting with the train running in the desert (instead of at L'americian)
Part C
Morocco
a) Would start with the train sequence
b) No 007-Hinx fight on the train
c) Bond and Swann are picked up by the RR
d) Slightly extended sequence at Blofeld's lair .... May be a possibility of 007-Hinx battle as well
e) Bond and Swann escape in Helicopter .... Blofeld is shown limping or dragging himself out of the rubble
End
London
a) M & Q handle C
b) Bond and Swann drive away
c) Blofeld is shown with the scar. He is looking at Bond and Swann drive away through binoculars (could turn in to an iconic moment
d) Credits roll
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Bond back to fine form. Skyfall was great but this film takes the cake for Craig's most Bondian performance. Blofeld was superb. I do really hope that he would be back for B25.
Madeleine Swann is gorgeous. Loved every scene she was in. -{
The "author of your pain" twist works fine for me. It's a nice connection between the films and it, to me, does not feel shoe horned. It is more than likely that Silva needed help getting his income and men, makes Sense that Spectre would help him.
The fight scenes were truly special and I just felt like a little kid during the whole time. A big smile on my face. The gun barrel at the start was fantastic, the pre title was the best I've seen. Period. And the helicopter scene was lovely. Sam smiths song gave me goosebumps.
Aston Martin chase scene was superbly shot and very funny. There were almost Moore moments there which made me laugh more.
Tangier train scene was probably my favourite scene however when the old mi6 building gets blown up that was a highlight. I'm just singing at the moment. Bond is back. The hot girls are too. Craig is brilliant. I could die of happiness, except I need more, can't wait for Bond 25
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
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Totally agree, contributes so much for me and my admiration for the film. Great you enjoyed it!! {[]
"Better make that two."
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
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"Better make that two."
Agree with all of your thoughts, except I struggled with the Helicopter CGI a bit.
I also liked the nod to Moore's meetings with Jaws when Bond/Hinx exchanged nods and smiles.
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