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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
um...hello... I still like the gunbarrel at the end of Spectre. It allowed for a more cinematic opening. In Quantum not so much
Not sure I understand: gunbarrel at the END of SPECTRE? But it's at the beginning(?)
Check out my Amazon author page!Mark Loeffelholz
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
um...hello... I still like the gunbarrel at the end of Spectre. It allowed for a more cinematic opening. In Quantum not so much
Not sure I understand: gunbarrel at the END of SPECTRE? But it's at the beginning(?)
Honestly where the gunbarrel goes depends entirely on the film itself. If you end on a bittersweet note like Quantum than having the 007 music play on the gunbarrel immediately after will completely obliterate that melancholy feeling of Bond as he leaves the algerian love knot in the snow. In Skyfall it worked at the end better. Mendez said he tried to make it work at the beginning, but it would've ruined the cinematic opening where Bond immediately steps out behind that wall and you here the DUH-NUH. In Spectre he obviously figured it worked at the beginning this time. Its not like it belongs at the front, it belongs whereever it fits best depending on the moods at the beginning and end.
um...hello... I still like the gunbarrel at the end of Spectre. It allowed for a more cinematic opening. In Quantum not so much
Not sure I understand: gunbarrel at the END of SPECTRE? But it's at the beginning(?)
Honestly where the gunbarrel goes depends entirely on the film itself. If you end on a bittersweet note like Quantum than having the 007 music play on the gunbarrel immediately after will completely obliterate that melancholy feeling of Bond as he leaves the algerian love knot in the snow. In Skyfall it worked at the end better. Mendez said he tried to make it work at the beginning, but it would've ruined the cinematic opening where Bond immediately steps out behind that wall and you here the DUH-NUH. In Spectre he obviously figured it worked at the beginning this time. Its not like it belongs at the front, it belongs whereever it fits best depending on the moods at the beginning and end.
You always talk about a "cinematic opening", but what does that even mean, and how is the gunbarrel not a "cinematic opening"?
um...hello... I still like the gunbarrel at the end of Spectre. It allowed for a more cinematic opening. In Quantum not so much
Not sure I understand: gunbarrel at the END of SPECTRE? But it's at the beginning(?)
Honestly where the gunbarrel goes depends entirely on the film itself. If you end on a bittersweet note like Quantum than having the 007 music play on the gunbarrel immediately after will completely obliterate that melancholy feeling of Bond as he leaves the algerian love knot in the snow. In Skyfall it worked at the end better. Mendez said he tried to make it work at the beginning, but it would've ruined the cinematic opening where Bond immediately steps out behind that wall and you here the DUH-NUH. In Spectre he obviously figured it worked at the beginning this time. Its not like it belongs at the front, it belongs whereever it fits best depending on the moods at the beginning and end.
I just told you, the bond theme playing has a certain mood to it it affects what follows it, bond stepping out behind the wall after he has already walked into frame in the gunbarrel would be stupid thats why Mendez put it at the end
Spectre is getting mixed reviews, but the consensus emerges that it is better than QoS, which was probably the lowest point in the franchise.
QoS was nowhere near the "lowest point" of the franchise.
Try perhaps, TMWTGG or LTK or DAD. After each of those, the franchise almost ended after all of those movies.
Yeah the series will never get lower than the superfluous nipple, bond trying to wedgie a sumo wrestler and snowboarding to the beach boys, but what'd you have against LTK? a great bond film, maybe you meant AVTAK.
Spectre is getting mixed reviews, but the consensus emerges that it is better than QoS, which was probably the lowest point in the franchise.
QoS was nowhere near the "lowest point" of the franchise.
Try perhaps, TMWTGG or LTK or DAD. After each of those, the franchise almost ended after all of those movies.
Yeah the series will never get lower than the superfluous nipple, bond trying to wedgie a sumo wrestler and snowboarding to the beach boys, but what'd you have against LTK? a great bond film, maybe you meant AVTAK.
I have nothing against LTK but it was a low point as far as money goes. It was the lowest grossing movie and still is. The franchise was almost finished.
Spectre is getting mixed reviews, but the consensus emerges that it is better than QoS, which was probably the lowest point in the franchise.
QOS is one of the better films of the series - certainly better than the worst of Connery & Moore and the Brosnan stinkers.
Some people really like QoS! What makes it the lowest point for the franchise is how forgettable it is - but each to their own. I'll watch DAD 100 times over QoS!
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This thread is really for SPECTRE reviews.....if we could keep to topic please...there are many other threads in which to discuss the other films....thanks -{
None of the reviews are comparing Spectre to itself, comparing it to other action franchises, or even comparing it to other bonds. They're just comparing it to... Skyfall ... if they just compared it to the entire franchise, it has to be in the top 7.
They also are counting off just because it is not as emotional as the last 3. Well maybe it wasn't trying to, ever think of that. We don't need an emotionally driven narrative every time. In fact, the older bonds had action driven narratives, all the way up till OHMSS. And before that they would always hold the emotional stuff right towards the end just to give the finale some extra weight. goldfinger didn't have any emotion compared to Bond movies 1, 2, and 4 - it is the least emotional and the most cheesy of the 4, yet its considered the best one. I just think they are deducting the movie for all the wrong reasons. We have evolved into a culture that really likes that emotional stuff, and that was great coming out of the Die Another Day pit but we don't have to rely on it as much. action and rising against the odds is really is the most important thing. Don't cater to the critics
This is part of the problem with modern popcorn/ mass entertainment cinema, we always have to go into the history and psychology of the characters now a-la The Dark Knight Trilogy. Problem is, that sometimes their history is either not that interesting, a bit of a cliche, or just not very well done.
We rarely get just a straight up action film now. That's why Taken was pretty refreshing and most people liked it. It did straight up action, and did it well.
I don't necessarily mind exploring Bond's back story, but if it detracts from the mission and the overall charge of the film, then no.
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Awesome, thanks for the quick reply. Now I can stay out of this thread until it opens here in the U.S. in two weeks.
SPOILER....it is like no other Daniel Craig PROLOGUE I can promise you that! -{
stands on ?
it seemed like a classic Gun Barrel too me, but I didn't time it, there is a nice little twist going on during the MGM/Sony titles to.
B&Q breathable membrane -{
( Love a film tie in )
So do we see misty eyes?
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Much more of a niche market, that one B-)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Not sure I understand: gunbarrel at the END of SPECTRE? But it's at the beginning(?)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Honestly where the gunbarrel goes depends entirely on the film itself. If you end on a bittersweet note like Quantum than having the 007 music play on the gunbarrel immediately after will completely obliterate that melancholy feeling of Bond as he leaves the algerian love knot in the snow. In Skyfall it worked at the end better. Mendez said he tried to make it work at the beginning, but it would've ruined the cinematic opening where Bond immediately steps out behind that wall and you here the DUH-NUH. In Spectre he obviously figured it worked at the beginning this time. Its not like it belongs at the front, it belongs whereever it fits best depending on the moods at the beginning and end.
You always talk about a "cinematic opening", but what does that even mean, and how is the gunbarrel not a "cinematic opening"?
Ask Rachel Weisz.
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Skyfall, perhaps?
QoS was nowhere near the "lowest point" of the franchise.
Try perhaps, TMWTGG or LTK or DAD. After each of those, the franchise almost ended after all of those movies.
Yeah the series will never get lower than the superfluous nipple, bond trying to wedgie a sumo wrestler and snowboarding to the beach boys, but what'd you have against LTK? a great bond film, maybe you meant AVTAK.
I have nothing against LTK but it was a low point as far as money goes. It was the lowest grossing movie and still is. The franchise was almost finished.
Some people really like QoS! What makes it the lowest point for the franchise is how forgettable it is - but each to their own. I'll watch DAD 100 times over QoS!
This is part of the problem with modern popcorn/ mass entertainment cinema, we always have to go into the history and psychology of the characters now a-la The Dark Knight Trilogy. Problem is, that sometimes their history is either not that interesting, a bit of a cliche, or just not very well done.
We rarely get just a straight up action film now. That's why Taken was pretty refreshing and most people liked it. It did straight up action, and did it well.
I don't necessarily mind exploring Bond's back story, but if it detracts from the mission and the overall charge of the film, then no.