Question regarding Timothy Dalton?

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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
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    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
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  • Willard WhyteWillard Whyte Posts: 166MI6 Agent
    It was stated in a documentary that Broccoli did not like the fact Bond films were shown on TV (money issue I think) and it went to court, this was basically productions got shut down, when they re-approached Dalton he said "That parades moved on"

    Was on a documentary last night PREMUIM BOND
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,762Chief of Staff
    It was stated in a documentary that Broccoli did not like the fact Bond films were shown on TV (money issue I think) and it went to court, this was basically productions got shut down, when they re-approached Dalton he said "That parades moved on"

    Was on a documentary last night PREMUIM BOND

    Broccoli loved the films being shown on tv...what he objected to was the contract...he thought they were worth more per showing.... -{
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  • dick_mojodick_mojo Posts: 16MI6 Agent
    ly smaller profits from the Dalton films. But given the choice I would choose to watch any of the Dalton films over any of the Brosnan. 
    I am a massive Dalton fan, due to the fact that he was the first Bond I ever saw in film, and his last name is closest to mine (Dalton = Dobson), but I must say, I do feel that the Brosnan films are, like fine wines, improving with age.
    Goldneye of course gets its due credit, but TMD is also quite excellent and underrated in my opinion, and TWINE and DAD have great moments in them too. One thing I will say is that Brosnan's pre-credits action scenes at the very start of his films are some of the best of aaaalll time. So thrilling and exciting and, well FUN to watch (unlike the abysmal pre-credits scene in Skyfall).

    I still love Dalton though, his humanity and emotions were so palpable, those big soft eyes and his genuine warm smile. They were both outstanding Bonds in my opinion, but Brosnan especially is seeming more and more excellent in hindsight (in comparison to his immediate successor) imo.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    dick_mojo wrote:
    those big soft eyes and his genuine warm smile.

    :)) :)) :)) Oh yes, that's how Fleming described him exactly :D :D :D
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    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • MakeMonroeMakeMonroe Posts: 4MI6 Agent
    edited August 2016
    I found fairly recent interview where dalton talks about the subject. Tim is my favorite bond and top 3 favorite actors so i'm so disappointed that he didn't continue as james bond. Timothy Dalton just wanted to do one more after lawsuit was resolved but broccoli insisted him to do at least 4 if not 5. So that means he could have been james bond until die another day. Damn Tim. :(

    http://theweek.com/articles/447045/timothy-dalton-opens-about-penny-dreadful-leaving-james-bond-demon-all

    "Licence to Kill wasn't supposed to be his final James Bond movie; a third 007 movie, which would have starred Dalton, entered preproduction in 1990. "We had the script. They were interviewing directors. We were really rolling forward, ready to start. It was actually quite a good story, I thought," says Dalton. But a lengthy legal dispute between Eon Productions and MGM delayed the film indefinitely — and gave Dalton an out. "Because of the lawsuit, I was free of the contract," Dalton explains. "And [producer] Mr. Broccoli, who I really respected as a producer and as a friend, asked me what I was going to do when it was resolved. I said, 'Look, in all honesty, I don't think that I will continue.' He asked me for my support during that time, which of course, I gave him."

    But when the lawsuit was resolved several years later, Dalton had a change of heart. "When [the next movie] did come about, it was probably four or five years later," he explains. "[Broccoli] asked if I would come back, and I said, 'Well, I've actually changed my mind a little bit. I think that I'd love to do one. Try and take the best of the two that I have done, and consolidate them into a third.' And he said, quite rightly, 'Look, Tim. You can't do one. There's no way, after a five-year gap between movies that you can come back and just do one. You'd have to plan on four or five.' And I thought, oh, no, that would be the rest of my life. Too much. Too long. So I respectfully declined." When Goldeneye hit theaters in 1995, it was Pierce Brosnan in the starring role."
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,870Chief of Staff
    Hi MakeMonroe, and welcome to AJB. You might want to have a read at http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/45180/int … the-forum/ and if you like say hello at http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/34154/wel … s/page/68/
  • DEFIANT 74205DEFIANT 74205 Perth, AustraliaPosts: 1,881MI6 Agent
    MakeMonroe wrote:
    I found fairly recent interview where dalton talks about the subject. Tim is my favorite bond and top 3 favorite actors so i'm so disappointed that he didn't continue as james bond. Timothy Dalton just wanted to do one more after lawsuit was resolved but broccoli insisted him to do at least 4 if not 5. So that means he could have been james bond until die another day. Damn Tim. :(

    http://theweek.com/articles/447045/timothy-dalton-opens-about-penny-dreadful-leaving-james-bond-demon-all

    "Licence to Kill wasn't supposed to be his final James Bond movie; a third 007 movie, which would have starred Dalton, entered preproduction in 1990. "We had the script. They were interviewing directors. We were really rolling forward, ready to start. It was actually quite a good story, I thought," says Dalton. But a lengthy legal dispute between Eon Productions and MGM delayed the film indefinitely — and gave Dalton an out. "Because of the lawsuit, I was free of the contract," Dalton explains. "And [producer] Mr. Broccoli, who I really respected as a producer and as a friend, asked me what I was going to do when it was resolved. I said, 'Look, in all honesty, I don't think that I will continue.' He asked me for my support during that time, which of course, I gave him."

    But when the lawsuit was resolved several years later, Dalton had a change of heart. "When [the next movie] did come about, it was probably four or five years later," he explains. "[Broccoli] asked if I would come back, and I said, 'Well, I've actually changed my mind a little bit. I think that I'd love to do one. Try and take the best of the two that I have done, and consolidate them into a third.' And he said, quite rightly, 'Look, Tim. You can't do one. There's no way, after a five-year gap between movies that you can come back and just do one. You'd have to plan on four or five.' And I thought, oh, no, that would be the rest of my life. Too much. Too long. So I respectfully declined." When Goldeneye hit theaters in 1995, it was Pierce Brosnan in the starring role."

    Thank you for posting this. So now we have it from the horse's mouth, as it were, and there's no more need to speculate as to why he only did two.

    I agree it's a shame he didn't do more Bond films. He would've been fantastic in Goldeneye.
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  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 4,110MI6 Agent
    MakeMonroe wrote:
    " ... a third 007 movie, which would have starred Dalton, entered preproduction in 1990. "We had the script. They were interviewing directors. We were really rolling forward, ready to start. It was actually quite a good story, I thought," says Dalton.
    did they ever use this story, or elements of it, in future films? has the script circulated? anybody know anything about the story?
  • MilleniumForceMilleniumForce LondonPosts: 1,214MI6 Agent
    As much as I like Dalton, I'm glad he only did the two he did. GE was like a fresh start for Bond after such a long gap between films, and I feel it works that everyone (except Q) has been re cast.
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  • MakeMonroeMakeMonroe Posts: 4MI6 Agent
    MakeMonroe wrote:
    I found fairly recent interview where dalton talks about the subject. Tim is my favorite bond and top 3 favorite actors so i'm so disappointed that he didn't continue as james bond. Timothy Dalton just wanted to do one more after lawsuit was resolved but broccoli insisted him to do at least 4 if not 5. So that means he could have been james bond until die another day. Damn Tim. :(

    http://theweek.com/articles/447045/timothy-dalton-opens-about-penny-dreadful-leaving-james-bond-demon-all

    "Licence to Kill wasn't supposed to be his final James Bond movie; a third 007 movie, which would have starred Dalton, entered preproduction in 1990. "We had the script. They were interviewing directors. We were really rolling forward, ready to start. It was actually quite a good story, I thought," says Dalton. But a lengthy legal dispute between Eon Productions and MGM delayed the film indefinitely — and gave Dalton an out. "Because of the lawsuit, I was free of the contract," Dalton explains. "And [producer] Mr. Broccoli, who I really respected as a producer and as a friend, asked me what I was going to do when it was resolved. I said, 'Look, in all honesty, I don't think that I will continue.' He asked me for my support during that time, which of course, I gave him."

    But when the lawsuit was resolved several years later, Dalton had a change of heart. "When [the next movie] did come about, it was probably four or five years later," he explains. "[Broccoli] asked if I would come back, and I said, 'Well, I've actually changed my mind a little bit. I think that I'd love to do one. Try and take the best of the two that I have done, and consolidate them into a third.' And he said, quite rightly, 'Look, Tim. You can't do one. There's no way, after a five-year gap between movies that you can come back and just do one. You'd have to plan on four or five.' And I thought, oh, no, that would be the rest of my life. Too much. Too long. So I respectfully declined." When Goldeneye hit theaters in 1995, it was Pierce Brosnan in the starring role."

    Thank you for posting this. So now we have it from the horse's mouth, as it were, and there's no more need to speculate as to why he only did two.

    I agree it's a shame he didn't do more Bond films. He would've been fantastic in Goldeneye.


    Yeah it's darn shame. Goldeneye would have been even better with Timothy. Good that Timothy revealed the truth. Of course i never believed those rumors that he was kicked out but of course it's always good to get real/solid proof. No need to speculate about it anymore. In a way it's good to hear the truth but of course if i could create a time machine i would go back in time and talk some sense in to him. Damn Tim. Look at your future career. It's not that beautiful after James Bond. I think you should really reconcider this once more because in my opinion acting in James Bond films is much better choice than the films you do in my future :D (except hot fuzz but that would have been after his bond career anyways)
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    Sir Miles wrote:
    Bondage007 wrote:
    That's the official story, but there's reports that the studio wanted Dalton gone before they would greenlight the next film.

    Poppycock !

    Why wait six years and lose all that money ? The films didn't lose money so just make the third and move on...

    Well, I'm not sure Bondage meant that was the only reason, the official line is that it took long because of legal problems, and that's true, but it may also be that on top of that the studio wanted Brosnan instead once the legal issue was settled - but that wasn't made officially known.
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  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 4,110MI6 Agent
    I would have liked it if he'd returned as Rasillon in the last season of Dr Who ... he was actually quite intimidating looking, much more so than the guy they got to replace him

    ...and a third Bond film would've been nice, still would like to know more about this alleged script
  • PPK 7.65mmPPK 7.65mm Saratoga Springs NY USAPosts: 1,253MI6 Agent
    Just wanted to add my 2 cents to this thread. In Everything Or Nothing: The Untold Story of 007, Barbara Broccoli and many others mentioned that after LTK finished at the box office, UA/MGM had financial problems internally which held up Timothy Dalton's third movie. These issues apparently extended back to 1975 when Harry Saltzman sold his shares of Danjaq to United Artists. This was the major cause for the six year gap between films along with the death of longtime writer Richard Maibaum in 1991.
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