The producers seem to like the continuation stories of the past 4 films whereas Dr No - DAD were always "one off stories" albeit loosely connected.
I like the idea of Bond 25's PTS opening with Bond and Swann holidaying somewhere on a coastal road, pulling over and then being machine gunned by Blofeld with Swann getting shot as we roll into the credits. No need to overtly say whether they were married or not.
How is M calling Brosnan's Bond a misogynistic dinosaur and relic of the Cold War and a blatant reference to his Bond having been married - which cannot realistically be anything other than a clear reference to Tracy - representative of "loose comments"?
Perhaps you can stretch it and take it as a reference to Dalton's Bond, but you can't seriously expect that young Goldeneye guy to have already been around for a generation. They were probably intentionally vague with this, so that some could take it to suggest continuity with all previous Bonds the way you did, if they chose to!
The "original continuity" had always been rather loose, and completely gone long before Craig (about Dalton's time). Brosnan's Bond could not have been the one who got married to Tracy a generation earlier.
Comments from M in Goldeneye and Paris Carver in Tomorrow Never Dies prove otherwise.
Hello again, DigificWriter. Can you provide the comment from Paris Carver in Tomorrow Never Dies that proves otherwise?
Maybe I was wrong about there being a reference to Tracy in TND, but I've only seen it once, so sue me.
Regardless, though, Brosnan's Bond is still clearly meant to be the same character - with the same character history - as was originated by Sean Connery and previously played by George Lazenby, Roger Moore, and Timothy Dalton.
Name-calling won't be necessary either. I don't think you're an asset to our site, DigificWriter.
Simply put, your lack of knowledge doesn't put you in a position to make generalisations then ask others to prove you wrong.
DigificWriter, I think we'd all prefer it if you took your misplaced ego and attitude off to another website please. Go bother the folks at MI6 or something. -{
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Although it's a long shot, I'm hoping for a Craig-Blofeld Trilogy :007) I'd like a chance to see Craig in his Royal Navy uniform...so far, only he and Lazenby haven't done it.
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And this once again further proves MY timeline theory!
Connery - Moore, One person, married to Tracy
Dalton - Brosnan, One person, married to someone who died
Craig - onwards
Again with the codename or timeline theories. In TWINE Brosnan even mentioned "The World Is Not Enough" to be an old family motto, and in OHMSS it's explained it's the traditional family motto of the Bond herritage. He's supposed to be the same character.
Why is it so hard for some people to accept that?
I'd like a chance to see Craig in his Royal Navy uniform...so far, only he and Lazenby haven't done it.
And Dalton has not either. So half the Bonds have and half have not.
True! Forgot about Tim. Seems to only happen with longer tenures. The uniform is something I enjoy, and I'd like to see Craig try it on. I'd hate for the 'Commander' title to be lost or forgotten.
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I'd like a chance to see Craig in his Royal Navy uniform...so far, only he and Lazenby haven't done it.
And Dalton has not either. So half the Bonds have and half have not.
True! Forgot about Tim. Seems to only happen with longer tenures. The uniform is something I enjoy, and I'd like to see Craig try it on. I'd hate for the 'Commander' title to be lost or forgotten.
Was Bond referred to as Commander Bond in his obituary in SF?
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I believe he was...and that would be the only mention of it in his run as 007.
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In my mind, the ideal situation would be to usher in a new Bond, but keep the continuity. Craig is my favorite Bond, and I'll be the last to complain if he sticks around for another one or two, but I think SPECTRE is a great poetic end to his tenure. Rebooting with another actor would be a mistake, since so much effort has been put into setting up and maintaining a stricter continuity since CR. So the way I see it, the best way to go is to cast a great new actor close enough in age to Craig that he can realistically be the same 007 in the same continuity and bring back SF and SP's whitehall crew, Blofeld, and SPECTRE.
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There are golden opportunities for actors like Craig and Waltz over two more films---an epic story arc. I'd actually have them not interact personally very much (if at all) in the next one, using an Emilio Largo-type caper supervisor for #25, and then bring Craig and Waltz back together for a reimagining of the 'Death Collector' scenario from the YOLT novel in #26, which for me would be a perfect way to end this block of storytelling.
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Agreed. It was a tightrope walk to introduce a new Blofeld with all classical elements (Nehru jacket, white cat, scar) in a stylish and "believable" manner - but if they did it in 2015, it had to be with Christoph Waltz. In my opinion, he delivered perfectly. When he got into his helicopter I was actually rooting for him to get away because I wanted him to return. You don't introduce Blofeld only to have him killed in the same movie. I think they left this possibility open and I do hope they'll go down that route. If Waltz is going to commit himself to more Bond movies, however, is another question...
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In most interviews I've seen or read, looks like DC is coming back for the next one. I mean, they can use someone else, but if he doesn't come back and finish the sequel to SPECTRE it will be disappointing.
The whole time in the theater last night I was just hoping that they weren't going to kill off Blofeld. Someone heard my prayers and kept the bloke alive long enough.
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It would be cool if they did a Blofeld trilogy, or 2 parter, and included the poisoned garden from the YOLT novel. I'm not sure how this would work in the Craig timeline, maybe just a reference to it, not necessarily the main set-piece at the end of the film.
Also, if they followed the cliff-hanger at the end of the book and had bond lose his memory, people would probably say it's copying the Bourne films. That would be ironic.
Either way I think Waltz's Blofeld should move away from the petty hurt son routine, which didn't really ring true for me and turn into the 'collector of death'.
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In a way though have we not had the Blofeld trilogy plus one as Blofeld was behind everything that has happened since CR
No Blofeld trilogy will end with Blofeld alive, and in captivity
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In my own fantasy Bond film world I'd like to see BOND 25 feature Emily Blunt as a female 00-agent named Vivienne Michel - a nice nod to the book of THE SPY WHO LOVED ME. This could offer some sparky spy vs spy banter. With Bond having seemingly jacked it all in at the end of SPECTRE he could now be working back in the Navy (a nice opportunity to see Craig in a Naval Commander uniform) & through some action-packed incident could be drafted back into the service - perhaps he's been covertly working for M all along. I'd like to see Cillian Murphy & Andrea Riseborough as a kinky husband & wife killer couple called Mr & Mrs Spang (a cheeky nod to the Spang Brothers from the book of DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER), a sexy femme fatale named Gala Brand, Christoph Walz's Blofeld being broken out of a high security prison, the return of Jeffrey Wright as Felix Leiter & a Big Climax featuring a battle between armies. The possibilities are endless & marvellous. Make BOND 25 Craig's YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE & then start things afresh with BOND 26 & a new actor as 007. But no more reboots - they're unnecessary.
Three years after the end of Spectre we'll catch up with a James Bond that has left MI6 and is enjoying his new life with Madeline. The inciting incident will be Madeline's murder by way of a mysterious assailant named Shatterhand. This will lead Bond on a personal vendetta against Madeline's killer. He breaks into an old MI6 safehouse and steal something that gets him back on the radar of MI6. This creates the MI6 vs. fugitive Bond dynamic we've seen many times before, since Bond is basically operating outside the system with no regard for anything but revenge. So it will be M's responsibility to bring Bond in.
Eventually, Bond tracks Shatterhand to Japan, and discovers that Shatterhand actually works for Blofeld, who still controls SPECTRE from behind bars. Bond kills Shatterhand in some sort of dramatic fight, and sets his sights on Blofeld himself. Blinded by rage, Bond wants to do what he believes he should have done three years ago, finish Blofeld for good.
This is where our two plot lines converge, MI6 vs. fugitive Bond, and Bond's personal quest for revenge. Bond plans to break into the top secret government facility where Blofeld is being held, and kill him. To do this he has to go up against MI6 agents trying to stop him. Bond ends up playing directly into Blofeld's hands, and by breaking into the facility to kill Blofeld, he unintentionally allows Blofeld to escape. So basically Blofeld's plan was to play with Bond's emotions in order to engineer his own escape from prison. Bond is ultimately the one to free Blofeld.
Bond gets taken into custody by MI6 but escapes and continues his pursuit of Blofeld. He tracks Blofeld to the new SPECTRE base, and uncovers his endgame, whatever that may be. Throughout the final part of the film Bond works to set right what he has done, take Blofeld down, and stop his evil scheme.
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I like the idea of Bond 25's PTS opening with Bond and Swann holidaying somewhere on a coastal road, pulling over and then being machine gunned by Blofeld with Swann getting shot as we roll into the credits. No need to overtly say whether they were married or not.
Perhaps you can stretch it and take it as a reference to Dalton's Bond, but you can't seriously expect that young Goldeneye guy to have already been around for a generation. They were probably intentionally vague with this, so that some could take it to suggest continuity with all previous Bonds the way you did, if they chose to!
Hello again, DigificWriter. Can you provide the comment from Paris Carver in Tomorrow Never Dies that proves otherwise?
Regardless, though, Brosnan's Bond is still clearly meant to be the same character - with the same character history - as was originated by Sean Connery and previously played by George Lazenby, Roger Moore, and Timothy Dalton.
Suing you won't be necessary.
Simply put, your lack of knowledge doesn't put you in a position to make generalisations then ask others to prove you wrong.
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And Dalton has not either. So half the Bonds have and half have not.
Again with the codename or timeline theories. In TWINE Brosnan even mentioned "The World Is Not Enough" to be an old family motto, and in OHMSS it's explained it's the traditional family motto of the Bond herritage. He's supposed to be the same character.
Why is it so hard for some people to accept that?
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True! Forgot about Tim. Seems to only happen with longer tenures. The uniform is something I enjoy, and I'd like to see Craig try it on. I'd hate for the 'Commander' title to be lost or forgotten.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Was Bond referred to as Commander Bond in his obituary in SF?
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
"- That is something to be afraid of."
The whole time in the theater last night I was just hoping that they weren't going to kill off Blofeld. Someone heard my prayers and kept the bloke alive long enough.
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"I never joke about my work, 007."
Is a pretty big homage to YOLT as well.
Also, if they followed the cliff-hanger at the end of the book and had bond lose his memory, people would probably say it's copying the Bourne films. That would be ironic.
Either way I think Waltz's Blofeld should move away from the petty hurt son routine, which didn't really ring true for me and turn into the 'collector of death'.
No Blofeld trilogy will end with Blofeld alive, and in captivity
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Three years after the end of Spectre we'll catch up with a James Bond that has left MI6 and is enjoying his new life with Madeline. The inciting incident will be Madeline's murder by way of a mysterious assailant named Shatterhand. This will lead Bond on a personal vendetta against Madeline's killer. He breaks into an old MI6 safehouse and steal something that gets him back on the radar of MI6. This creates the MI6 vs. fugitive Bond dynamic we've seen many times before, since Bond is basically operating outside the system with no regard for anything but revenge. So it will be M's responsibility to bring Bond in.
Eventually, Bond tracks Shatterhand to Japan, and discovers that Shatterhand actually works for Blofeld, who still controls SPECTRE from behind bars. Bond kills Shatterhand in some sort of dramatic fight, and sets his sights on Blofeld himself. Blinded by rage, Bond wants to do what he believes he should have done three years ago, finish Blofeld for good.
This is where our two plot lines converge, MI6 vs. fugitive Bond, and Bond's personal quest for revenge. Bond plans to break into the top secret government facility where Blofeld is being held, and kill him. To do this he has to go up against MI6 agents trying to stop him. Bond ends up playing directly into Blofeld's hands, and by breaking into the facility to kill Blofeld, he unintentionally allows Blofeld to escape. So basically Blofeld's plan was to play with Bond's emotions in order to engineer his own escape from prison. Bond is ultimately the one to free Blofeld.
Bond gets taken into custody by MI6 but escapes and continues his pursuit of Blofeld. He tracks Blofeld to the new SPECTRE base, and uncovers his endgame, whatever that may be. Throughout the final part of the film Bond works to set right what he has done, take Blofeld down, and stop his evil scheme.