Which was better - SPECTRE vs ROGUE NATION
MilleniumForce
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Rogue Nation, hands down.
Whilst SPECTRE had some good moments, it felt a bit unfinished in places, such as the CGI and felt a bit.....underwhelming, it didn't have anything that would make me love it. Rogue Nation, on the other hand, felt like a good thriller and executed the comedy perfectly (I felt some bits in SPECTRE were either out of place or fell flat). Rogue Nation was also much more impressive, with more memorable stunts (SPECTRE really lacked in having impressive stunts, even the car chase felt simple and didn't really have many moments that made it stand out). Rogue Nation even had a better PTS (look, I loved the one in SPECTRE, probably the best part of the film and it looked beautiful, but Tom Cruise hanging off the side of the plane was more of an impressive feat).
Whilst SPECTRE had some good moments, it felt a bit unfinished in places, such as the CGI and felt a bit.....underwhelming, it didn't have anything that would make me love it. Rogue Nation, on the other hand, felt like a good thriller and executed the comedy perfectly (I felt some bits in SPECTRE were either out of place or fell flat). Rogue Nation was also much more impressive, with more memorable stunts (SPECTRE really lacked in having impressive stunts, even the car chase felt simple and didn't really have many moments that made it stand out). Rogue Nation even had a better PTS (look, I loved the one in SPECTRE, probably the best part of the film and it looked beautiful, but Tom Cruise hanging off the side of the plane was more of an impressive feat).
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+ 1 SPECTRE all the way having now seen it but RG came a close second for me
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The last Mission: Impossible film that has locations in common with Quantum of Solace and Spectre and does Bond film stunts better than Bond has in years.
Never heard of it. Sounds rubbish.
I'll see SP a minimum of 3 times in the cinema; one of them in IMAX.
Guess which I'm likely to prefer? :007)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Now are any of Daniel Craigs previous Bond films better than any of the three Mat Damon Bourne films I'm not so sure as those films took film making into a different place which Bond has had to copy unfortunaely not the other way round.
Will the new Jason Bourne movie next year be better than SPECTRE I would hazard a guess it will be.
It's all subjective and about opinions in the my World I have a place for the Mission Impossible films, the Bourne movies and of course my favourite James Bond.
"Do you expect me to talk? "No Mister Bond I expect you to die"
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Hollywood has been trying to oust James Bond since 'in like flint' in the sixties
It hasn't happened yet?
Rogue Nation topped Bond in a few ways, especially the stunts. Bond was once a leader in stunts, but with the last decade Mission: Impossible has been the top. Though they copied the opera scene from Quantum of Solace, they did it better.
How do you measure stunts? Is there a little man underneath with a tape measure?
I'll ask again. How do you measure stunts?
So QoS does the opera scene first. Interesting?
Fleming's novels don't have stunts, so why should I even bother...
Oh I totally agree and don't forget the Mat Helm films all Bond wanna-be's.
The difference with the Bourne films though in particular was they were the first films to show that realistic way of fight sequences with him using anything he can get his hands on pens, pencils etc.
CR adopted the same techniques for the fight sequences and some may say Bond ripped Bourne off.
Another technique which was used in the Bourne Supremancy and Ultimatum was the technique of putting the audience inside the car whilst its being crashed into etc, during the car chase sequences.
QOS copied the exact same technique, and copied Bourne with the same editing style.
Bond is my favourite but the new Bourne film is something to look forward to whilst 3 years pass before the next Bond movie arrives, I believe it's out sometime in 2016..
"Do you expect me to talk? "No Mister Bond I expect you to die"
The stunts have been really impressive in recent years. The last film alone had Tom Cruise hanging off the side of a plane 4000ft in the air. He jumps on while it's moving and doesn't let go. This is shown in one shot aswell. No different angles. The scene where he escapes from being handcuffed by climbing up a pole and he then flips off. The car chase which leads into the motorbike chase is superbly done. While Spectres car chase falls flat IMO.
For me I enjoyed Rogue Nation more than any other releases this year. I think Spectre could of done with some more editing. But still enjoyed it.
"Greatness From Small Beginnings."
And OHMSS was doing all this in 69. As I said It hasn't happened yet?
I love Bond, more than Bourne, however having said that I still enjoy Matt Damon as Bourne and will definately go to his next outing next year sometime.
I can't wait to see SPECTRE again, but kid free so it will have to be after the half term holidays over here in the UK.
"Do you expect me to talk? "No Mister Bond I expect you to die"
I for one enjoy both and since I have to pick between the two, I would pick the Bond franchise. Though both are escapist entertainment, the Bond movies have an elegance and heritage about them, and it's this legacy that they borrow from, time and time again. There is a huge difference between the Mission Impossible tv series and movies as a result the movies don't follow the original formula which has lead to a divide between fans of the tv show and those of the movies. Bond fans are a "Ride or Die" bunch.
Having said that I would like to see the stunt team in the Bond movies replaced so better action sequences can be put together in the Bond movies. My definition of "better" is truly jaw dropping, adrenaline pumping, vertigo inducing sequences. In that department there is no competition, the Mission Impossible movies keep raising the bar. Ones that jump to mind off the bat, are the free cliff climbing opener from MI2, to running down the Burge Khalifa, to hanging off a plane wing in one take, to the hard to breathe while watching under water sequence, to finally that crazy bike chase without a helmet in Rogue Nation.
Everyone's opinion will be different but my reality is that though at a time the Bond franchise was seen as an industry leader, they seem to be in the middle of spy genre entertainment spectrum today, between Bourne movies which I would put at the top and the Mission Impossible movies in third place. All in all what this means to the fan of the spy genre is a wonderful variety and that never is a bad thing.
I can imagine Sam Mendes pitching that scene to Babs and MG.
However - it's just NOT BOND.
SPECTRE wins by a country mile.
For me, The fight scene in the Opera House in Austria was better then anything in Spectre, that tension was unbelieveable. Just imagine Craig having that scene in Spectre. Rebecca Ferguson, even putting Michelle Yeoh to shame, along with Charlize Theron, it's been a great year for kick ass female action leads and she is the reason I loved Rogue Nation. I loved Sean Harris Villain, plus they didn't kill him off was great. The Scene in the underwater tank out Bond even Bond top stunts. The car chase after was great as well.
That's the first thing myself and my brother said after the first screening of Spectre, "it's no Rogue Nation". I was shocked at how good that film was. Spectre isn't bad it's a solid film.
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