Which was better - SPECTRE vs ROGUE NATION

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  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    It's quite bizarre how the MI movies have changed in tone, MI was relatively dark, mi2 was radically different, mi3 seems to be the most disliked and the last 2 have followed a formula, and all with the same actor! Bond films seem to get a lot more criticism when the tone or formula are changed.
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    because MI (as good as they are) can't measure up to Bond and don't have such a fanbase
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  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    Quite true hth, Ive enjoyed the MI films but have such a long standing attachment to bond nothing else compares really. I think it's the sheer timescale that brings bond out in front.
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    I don't think it's the timescale alone, Bond is bigger on every scale ( the stunts were too untl MI:4 came around), Bond has even more famous actors and as you said, runs now successfully for 53 years. :)
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    For tose who prefer MI5 to Bond .....

    " I find your lack of faith disturbing !" :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Westward_DriftWestward_Drift Posts: 3,113MI6 Agent
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    For tose who prefer MI5 to Bond .....

    " I find your lack of faith disturbing !" :D

    I found the lack of a decent script, editing, theme song, and leading lady in Spectre disturbing.

    I unabashedly prefer the Bond film series to the MI film series, but when looking at specific films, Rogue Nation is much better than Spectre.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    In your world perhaps, happily not in mine. ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • sniperUKsniperUK UlsterPosts: 594MI6 Agent
    Westward_Drift wrote:

    I found the lack of a decent script, editing, theme song, and leading lady in Spectre disturbing.

    Have to totally agree and would add soundtrack as well.
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,767MI6 Agent
    It's a shame that SPECTRE sucked :# 8-) :))
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    HowardB wrote:
    It's a shame that SPECTRE sucked :# 8-) :))
    SPECTRE reminds me of Return Of The Jedi in that many elements might have been weak, but Dan, like Mark in the latter, carried it through despite it all. -{
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  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    I have come to regard SP (sadly) as a draw, rather than a win.
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    I have come to regard SP (sadly) as a draw, rather than a win.
    Whoah, I started out NOT a Craig fan in 2006, am I now an even bigger Craig fan than many here---??? ?:)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    zaphod99 wrote:
    I have come to regard SP (sadly) as a draw, rather than a win.
    Whoah, I started out NOT a Craig fan in 2006, am I now an even bigger Craig fan than many here---??? ?:)

    Craig is very good in SP and is not the problem, in fact for me he propels it and carries it forward.
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    chrisisall wrote:
    zaphod99 wrote:
    I have come to regard SP (sadly) as a draw, rather than a win.
    Whoah, I started out NOT a Craig fan in 2006, am I now an even bigger Craig fan than many here---??? ?:)

    Not more than me :D

    BTW, saw RN yesterday evening---what a blast. Just a rollicking good time. I do love the ongoing nod to the original series in the credits, wherein we see bits of the upcoming action with the burning fuse. And in this one, a nod to the TV show's pilot episode, where the principal gets his briefing in a record store! This time with a twist, of course B-)

    I really admire how Cruise is handling this franchise as it matures (along with him, haha)...the quality remains very high, the action top-notch, and the humour spot-on. Really a fantastic couple of hours.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I recently watched MI1 and Tom looks like a teenager in it. :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • superdaddysuperdaddy englandPosts: 917MI6 Agent
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    For tose who prefer MI5 to Bond .....

    " I find your lack of faith disturbing !" :D
    I have always been disturbed :))
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    So we've been told ! :p ;) :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • superdaddysuperdaddy englandPosts: 917MI6 Agent
    By those nice men in the white coats :))
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I never trust Bakers ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • TheundeadkennedyTheundeadkennedy Posts: 292MI6 Agent
    blame_thatcher wrote:
    Jag wrote:
    MI was nowhere near Bond movies at the time. MI2 was vasty improved and almost as watchable.
    Yes, the first Mission: Impossible was far better than the Brosnan films. M:I2 was poor.
    -{ Agreed.
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Brian de Palma runs circles around any Bond director with the possible exception of Sam Mendes.
    Less drugs, dude... :))

    Yeah, the ones you surely must do to actually like TND :)) :))
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Brian de Palma runs circles around any Bond director with the possible exception of Sam Mendes.
    Less drugs, dude... :))

    Yeah, the ones you surely must do to actually like TND :)) :))
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Buttered Heavily.? good Bond Girl's name ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • UnderwaterBattle007UnderwaterBattle007 Posts: 284MI6 Agent
    About 6 weeks ago I took my wife to see SPECTRE at the cinema (she isn't a Bond fan per se but she's been to every single one of them since we've been married 30+ years ago), on leaving the theatre I asked her if she enjoyed it. She said she did but it was very samey to Skyfall, and she didn't understand part of it. I asked her would she watch it again and she answered no way.

    So tonight we have just watched Rogue nation and all the way through it she was jumping about like a kid. I asked her which was the better film and unfortunately she said Rogue Nation.

    Just reporting what her thoughts were.

    One thing for sure is we need better writers on the next Bond film.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    UnderwaterBattle007 wrote:
    So tonight we have just watched Rogue nation and all the way through it she was jumping about like a kid. I asked her which was the better film and unfortunately she said Rogue Nation.
    Understandable. Cruise never does not deliver the goods, and from a female POV I guess he's cute as Hell. :))
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • UnderwaterBattle007UnderwaterBattle007 Posts: 284MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    UnderwaterBattle007 wrote:
    So tonight we have just watched Rogue nation and all the way through it she was jumping about like a kid. I asked her which was the better film and unfortunately she said Rogue Nation.
    Understandable. Cruise never does not deliver the goods, and from a female POV I guess he's cute as Hell. :))

    So's Craig to my mrs, she loves Casino Royale.

    I think it was the story.

    For instance the capture of Blofeld in SPECTRE loads of CGI and not very believable.

    The capture of the baddie in Rogue nation far more plot with twists and reality, plus a throw back to an earlier scene when Hunt was captured.
    FRWl, CR, OHMSS, TSWLM, SF, GF, TLD, LTK, TND, FYEO, OP,TWINE, GE, LALD, TB, SPECTRE, DN, YOLT, TMWTGG, QOS, MR, DAF, DAD, AVTAK, NTTD.

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  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,173MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    UnderwaterBattle007 wrote:
    So tonight we have just watched Rogue nation and all the way through it she was jumping about like a kid. I asked her which was the better film and unfortunately she said Rogue Nation.
    Understandable. Cruise never does not deliver the goods, and from a female POV I guess he's cute as Hell. :))

    That may depend on the age of the female. Over the summer my wife and I were talking about seeing Rogue Nation. My nineteen-year-old daughter and her friends were in the kitchen and I asked them if they'd seen it.

    I was greeted by laughter and gagging noises. I asked what that was all about and they said they couldn't stand Tom Cruise. "Weird" "old" "short" "too much plastic surgery" were the comments I recall.

    I asked them about Daniel Craig and they all thought he was hot.

    Just goes to show you.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,616MI6 Agent
    Gala Brand wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    UnderwaterBattle007 wrote:
    So tonight we have just watched Rogue nation and all the way through it she was jumping about like a kid. I asked her which was the better film and unfortunately she said Rogue Nation.
    Understandable. Cruise never does not deliver the goods, and from a female POV I guess he's cute as Hell. :))

    That may depend on the age of the female. Over the summer my wife and I were talking about seeing Rogue Nation. My nineteen-year-old daughter and her friends were in the kitchen and I asked them if they'd seen it.

    I was greeted by laughter and gagging noises. I asked what that was all about and they said they couldn't stand Tom Cruise. "Weird" "old" "short" "too much plastic surgery" were the comments I recall.

    I asked them about Daniel Craig and they all thought he was hot.

    Just goes to show you.

    Tom Cruise certainly is weird and short. But he's not much older than Daniel Craig, and he looks younger.
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  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    I think the height of an actor shouldn't play a role when rating him as an actor ?:)
    and he may be weird, but blend that out, most of his movies are good
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    HatThrowingHenchman wrote:
    I think the height of an actor shouldn't play a role when rating him as an actor ?:)
    and he may be weird, but blend that out, most of his movies are good
    Yeah, only the old part comes into play when talking to teenage girls... 8-)
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