Does SPECTRE give TOO MUCH Fan service?

I've spoken to a few people I know who have seen the film. I'd describe some them as strong-casual Bond fans :)) They're not fanatics like a lot of us but they know quite a bit about Bond and the movies. I'd describe the rest as just casual fans who like the more recent movies but know little about the rest of the series.
It seems to me that the more casual fans liked the film less whilst those who like their Bond a bit more appreciated all the nods to the past and what not so therefore liked the film more.

So it got me thinking whether SPECTRE could pay the price for it's attempt to return to a more classic Bond? I guess those who have become fans of Bond during the Craig era could dislike SPECTRE's tone which is certainly different to the rest of Craig's films but more akin to the earlier films in the franchise.
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  • DutchfingerDutchfinger Holland With LovePosts: 1,240MI6 Agent
    Yes, you're pretty spot on about the tone. Although it all depends on how you feel about it going back to that tone yourself. Both diehard fans and casual fans could hate or love that.

    To me though, I think it's very comparable to the tone that GoldenEye had. Which was dark in places, but very lighthearted and traditional too. (Most of the time it's one of the other.)
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    I'm looking forward to finally getting to see it on 5 November! As a great fan of Craig's run as Bond thus far, I've had the feeling that they've been intending to complete the arc back to the Precious Classic Formula TM, and clearly that's exactly what they've done. It's a fine line...but I do think it's a way of seducing new fans of Craig's Bond into exploring the older films. Of course, I'll know more in a week's time and will revisit your question :007)
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  • MilleniumForceMilleniumForce LondonPosts: 1,214MI6 Agent
    I don't know what sort of fan I would say I am, but I wasn't happy with this sudden change of tone. Especially when CR was reboot specifically because of the tone (well, and the other problems but you know what I'm saying). I've said it before, if they're going to go back to this sort of tone and the classic Bond formula, they should have waited for Craig to leave. I think the problem with the tone of Spectre is its like a reverse of DAD: it starts off all cheerful with classic Bond, but then around the halfway point
    I'd say after Hinx dies
    the tone switches to serious. If you're going to do light hearted Bond, stick with it. And it could have made Spectre a great film, they could have had a YOLT or TSWLM climax with a big villain base and loads of henchmen, and everyone would love it, but the change of tone feels so sudden it just makes the film a bit messy.
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    SPECTRE as a mirror/reverse image of DAD---that's a new one!
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  • DutchfingerDutchfinger Holland With LovePosts: 1,240MI6 Agent
    SPECTRE as a mirror/reverse image of DAD---that's a new one!

    He does have a point, but (imo) the change of tone is not as drastic as it was in DAD. I mean that one went from dark torturing to surfing a CGI tsunami!
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  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
    SPECTRE is more YOLT/TWINE than DAD. It was lighter, but not on the level of DAD...
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    Jarvio wrote:
    SPECTRE is more YOLT/TWINE than DAD. It was lighter, but not on the level of DAD...

    I can live with that -{
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,068Chief of Staff
    By this point in the series, I don't think even casual fans wouldn't have picked up on some of the nods in SPECTRE- the earlier films have been shown frequently on TV for many, many years and it would be more likely than not that a moviegoer in 2015 had seen, say, YOLT and got the reference made.
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,912Chief of Staff
    ...it starts off all cheerful with classic Bond, but then around the halfway point the tone switches to serious...

    I agree...that's why I said in my review that it felt like two different films welded together....
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  • IanTIanT Posts: 573MI6 Agent
    Sir Miles wrote:
    ...it starts off all cheerful with classic Bond, but then around the halfway point the tone switches to serious...

    I agree...that's why I said in my review that it felt like two different films welded together....

    Is that because of the leaked script do you think?

    I've not read the leaked script so I don't know how different the final cut was. Maybe the rewrites caused that disjointed effect you experienced.
  • Robbo88Robbo88 Newcastle, England.Posts: 253MI6 Agent
    Yeah does anyone know what the changes were? If so, were they big?
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    I think the problem with the tone of Spectre is its like a reverse of DAD: it starts off all cheerful with classic Bond, but then around the halfway point
    I'd say after Hinx dies
    the tone switches to serious. y.

    Thank god!

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  • MilleniumForceMilleniumForce LondonPosts: 1,214MI6 Agent
    I think the problem with the tone of Spectre is its like a reverse of DAD: it starts off all cheerful with classic Bond, but then around the halfway point
    I'd say after Hinx dies
    the tone switches to serious. y.

    Thank god!

    Equating your film with DAD is the kiss of death!

    But it's true though - DAD starting off all serious, and then went into light hearted Bond. SP started off light hearted, and then turned all dark about halfway through.
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,912Chief of Staff
    IanT wrote:
    Sir Miles wrote:
    ...it starts off all cheerful with classic Bond, but then around the halfway point the tone switches to serious...

    I agree...that's why I said in my review that it felt like two different films welded together....

    Is that because of the leaked script do you think?

    I've not read the leaked script so I don't know how different the final cut was. Maybe the rewrites caused that disjointed effect you experienced.

    That's a distinct possibility...there is definitely a 'tonal' shift in the film though...there were differences - one scene in particular wasn't in the one I saw and the end was tweaked ever so slightly...but it was almost a "right, that's the 'fun' bit over, let's get on with the 'gritty' part now"...feel to it...
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,326MI6 Agent
    A few people told me their was a cool card game in the leaked script that never made the film?? Cant find the script online but it sounds pretty interesting
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    I don't want to directly compare Spectre and DAD, because that's discussing two different degrees of ineptitude. But both were trying to revive Classic-Bond by taking elements from each film.
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