Spectre had a huge budget but the money isn't really up on the screen. Where did so much of the budget go?
I can see the money on the screen: four far-flung locations, the manpower and logistics to move such a huge production---lodging, food, insurance, transportation---doing practical stunts on location, waiting days for the right weather in Austria, burning thousands of dollars a minute...production shut down for 2 weeks while Craig has surgery on his knee, while rented equipment sits idle...it really is right there on the screen.
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US weekend estimates are in. $35.4 million, above previous estimates. Drops of only 42% and 37% on Saturday and Sunday from previous weekend. Looks like SP may have strong legs.
US weekend estimates are in. $35.4 million, above previous estimates. Drops of only 42% and 37% on Saturday and Sunday from previous weekend. Looks like SP may have strong legs.
Haven't seen the international numbers yet.
It's raking the cash in abroad, from what I've heard; a $50+ million opening in China. SP isn't going to fail or lose money. It's good that it will have a couple of solid weeks before Mockingjay 2 swoops in and takes the #1 slot.
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I think ever since the Sony leaks, much of the internet media and to a lesser extent the print media (who seem to rehash a lot of internet garbage these days) have tried to exploit the negativity of those leaks and ride SPECTRE to a path of failure. Film critics (or the quasi-critics who frequent the net today) also seem to follow that pattern. Any reports of a film being overbudget, a "troubled shoot" etc will put a film in their crosshairs for a bad review. Bond films, which have the well earned reputation of being "critic proof" probably raise the ire of many of these critics even more. Personally, if I really want to see a film, I don't let what the critics think influence my decision to see it or not....if that was the case, I would have probably missed some films I ended up enjoying. If something turns out to be less than satisfactory, that's life.
I agree CR is the better film, but given the " Almost hatred" some reviewers have
for it, and the "depressed" mood of some fans over how much it's going to make.
I'll put my head above the trenches and say, I'm very upbeat about Spectre and
Think it will make a bloody fortune.
I also hope it does well as it secures the future. There could be benefits in a slightly lower take and reduced profit as it would reduce the pressure and the budget next time out. So much has been expected of SP both from critics following Skyfall and in terms of commercial success. Whatever happens now it is far from a financial disaster, the worst that could happen is it disappoints as a cash Cow. No reason at all to be depressed in my book, in fact all the more reason to be optimistic for the next one.
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I think ever since the Sony leaks, much of the internet media and to a lesser extent the print media (who seem to rehash a lot of internet garbage these days) have tried to exploit the negativity of those leaks and ride SPECTRE to a path of failure. Film critics (or the quasi-critics who frequent the net today) also seem to follow that pattern. Any reports of a film being overbudget, a "troubled shoot" etc will put a film in their crosshairs for a bad review. Bond films, which have the well earned reputation of being "critic proof" probably raise the ire of many of these critics even more. Personally, if I really want to see a film, I don't let what the critics think influence my decision to see it or not....if that was the case, I would have probably missed some films I ended up enjoying. If something turns out to be less than satisfactory, that's life.
Yes -{ Critics trash Bond, film audiences disregard critics, Bond films make money, the earth revolves around the sun...it's the circle of life.
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I can see the money on the screen: four far-flung locations, the manpower and logistics to move such a huge production---lodging, food, insurance, transportation---doing practical stunts on location, waiting days for the right weather in Austria, burning thousands of dollars a minute...production shut down for 2 weeks while Craig has surgery on his knee, while rented equipment sits idle...it really is right there on the screen.
The problem is that the cost of moving crews to these locations and the accommodation and all of that stuff is money that does not appear on screen. I must reiterate that while Spectre looks expensive, it does not look like one of the most expensive films ever produced despite that massive budget. The car chase, for example, amounts to little more than two vehicles driving through mostly deserted streets at not particularly great speed.
Production did shut down for a brief period after Craig's injury, but it certainly wasn't for two weeks. It was one week at most. There was only about half a day lost in Austria to my recollection.
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I can see the money on the screen: four far-flung locations, the manpower and logistics to move such a huge production---lodging, food, insurance, transportation---doing practical stunts on location, waiting days for the right weather in Austria, burning thousands of dollars a minute...production shut down for 2 weeks while Craig has surgery on his knee, while rented equipment sits idle...it really is right there on the screen.
The problem is that the cost of moving crews to these locations and the accommodation and all of that stuff is money that does not appear on screen. I must reiterate that while Spectre looks expensive, it does not look like one of the most expensive films ever produced despite that massive budget. The car chase, for example, amounts to little more than two vehicles driving through mostly deserted streets at not particularly great speed.
Production did shut down for a brief period after Craig's injury, but it certainly wasn't for two weeks. It was one week at most. There was only about half a day lost in Austria to my recollection.
Just going by what was said by the principals in interviews, re: the shutdown. My layman's eyes can see the money, at any rate---the locations and action shot there is prima facie evidence of the money being onscreen, IMO.
Interesting about Austria; leads me to think that they were fine with the overcast conditions, if they didn't wait more than half a day for it to clear! I really like the way that location looks.
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I kinda wish we saw more action in the snow a little - I guess DC can't ski!
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Scott 'Worst Bond Film in 30 Years' Mendelson of Forbes magazine can't stop talking about SPECTRE, now that it seems to have better legs than anticipated:
"Why is it doing so well despite comparatively half-hearted reviews and buzz? Well, the James Bond films tend to play to those who like James Bond movies. That may sound like an obvious statement, but even the bad reviews (such as mine) pointed out that the film still contained many of the things that fans liked about the franchise, specifically the violence, the various attractive sexual conquests, the gadgets, and the globetrotting locations. So for many casual fans of the franchise, or maybe just old-school action junkies, Spectre is absolutely worth their 2.5 hours."
Check out my Amazon author page!Mark Loeffelholz
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I can see the money on the screen: four far-flung locations, the manpower and logistics to move such a huge production---lodging, food, insurance, transportation---doing practical stunts on location, waiting days for the right weather in Austria, burning thousands of dollars a minute...production shut down for 2 weeks while Craig has surgery on his knee, while rented equipment sits idle...it really is right there on the screen.
The problem is that the cost of moving crews to these locations and the accommodation and all of that stuff is money that does not appear on screen. I must reiterate that while Spectre looks expensive, it does not look like one of the most expensive films ever produced despite that massive budget. The car chase, for example, amounts to little more than two vehicles driving through mostly deserted streets at not particularly great speed.
Production did shut down for a brief period after Craig's injury, but it certainly wasn't for two weeks. It was one week at most. There was only about half a day lost in Austria to my recollection.
Just going by what was said by the principals in interviews, re: the shutdown. My layman's eyes can see the money, at any rate---the locations and action shot there is prima facie evidence of the money being onscreen, IMO.
Interesting about Austria; leads me to think that they were fine with the overcast conditions, if they didn't wait more than half a day for it to clear! I really like the way that location looks.
I agree about seeing the money in the locations. I understand that location shooting is a lot more expensive than shooting at Pinewood, and the production made excellent use of the locations. It's very clear when compared to Skyfall, where Turkey is the only locations outside of the UK. China and Macau have impressive sets, but those are nothing compared to the location work that showed through in Spectre. Mexico City, Rome, Austria and Morocco all looked spectacular. In understanding how much money location work involves, I can see the money.
Scott 'Worst Bond Film in 30 Years' Mendelson of Forbes magazine can't stop talking about SPECTRE, now that it seems to have better legs than anticipated:
"Why is it doing so well despite comparatively half-hearted reviews and buzz? Well, the James Bond films tend to play to those who like James Bond movies. That may sound like an obvious statement, but even the bad reviews (such as mine) pointed out that the film still contained many of the things that fans liked about the franchise, specifically the violence, the various attractive sexual conquests, the gadgets, and the globetrotting locations. So for many casual fans of the franchise, or maybe just old-school action junkies, Spectre is absolutely worth their 2.5 hours."
Well, that's exactly what you would expect of a true Bond fan! Do you have a link for this?
Scott 'Worst Bond Film in 30 Years' Mendelson of Forbes magazine can't stop talking about SPECTRE, now that it seems to have better legs than anticipated:
"Why is it doing so well despite comparatively half-hearted reviews and buzz? Well, the James Bond films tend to play to those who like James Bond movies. That may sound like an obvious statement, but even the bad reviews (such as mine) pointed out that the film still contained many of the things that fans liked about the franchise, specifically the violence, the various attractive sexual conquests, the gadgets, and the globetrotting locations. So for many casual fans of the franchise, or maybe just old-school action junkies, Spectre is absolutely worth their 2.5 hours."
This guy has an odd attitude for a guy who is supposed to be a Bond fan. That's the kind of stuff that people who hate the Bond movies write.
I actually think that a problem with the movie is that it was overly ambitious and I think the critical attitude will change over time (in a positive way) much as it has with OHMSS.
LoeffelholzThe United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
Scott 'Worst Bond Film in 30 Years' Mendelson of Forbes magazine can't stop talking about SPECTRE, now that it seems to have better legs than anticipated:
"Why is it doing so well despite comparatively half-hearted reviews and buzz? Well, the James Bond films tend to play to those who like James Bond movies. That may sound like an obvious statement, but even the bad reviews (such as mine) pointed out that the film still contained many of the things that fans liked about the franchise, specifically the violence, the various attractive sexual conquests, the gadgets, and the globetrotting locations. So for many casual fans of the franchise, or maybe just old-school action junkies, Spectre is absolutely worth their 2.5 hours."
Well, that's exactly what you would expect of a true Bond fan! Do you have a link for this?
Check out my Amazon author page!Mark Loeffelholz
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Scott 'Worst Bond Film in 30 Years' Mendelson of Forbes magazine can't stop talking about SPECTRE, now that it seems to have better legs than anticipated:
"Why is it doing so well despite comparatively half-hearted reviews and buzz? Well, the James Bond films tend to play to those who like James Bond movies. That may sound like an obvious statement, but even the bad reviews (such as mine) pointed out that the film still contained many of the things that fans liked about the franchise, specifically the violence, the various attractive sexual conquests, the gadgets, and the globetrotting locations. So for many casual fans of the franchise, or maybe just old-school action junkies, Spectre is absolutely worth their 2.5 hours."
Oh dear, I hope this isn't keeping Mr. Mendelson from getting a good nights sleep. ) This guy really has his finger on the pulse of movie goers. What an epiphany, after 50+ years of raking in huge $$$ at the box office this gonad has finally come to the realization that people love Bond films. ) -{
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Whatever it ends up doing stateside (I predict around $200m), the worldwide box office will be substantial.
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Scott 'Worst Bond Film in 30 Years' Mendelson of Forbes magazine can't stop talking about SPECTRE, now that it seems to have better legs than anticipated:
.... "So for many casual fans of the franchise, "
X-( arg, gottal love "Casual Audiences" - again!
That arrogance in "my opinion is much better than yours" attitude X-(
From the AJB glossary: Casual Audiences/Casual Bond Fans - Suggested by Bondtoys - People for whom a James Bond film is "just another movie"...and also used to deride fans who don't enjoy Timothy Dalton's performance, offering the easy explanation that the "grittier" tone of the Dalton Bonds isn't as appealing for people who don't know much about Fleming and Bond - or, maybe they simply can't get over the fact that Roger Moore had to retire at some point.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
LoeffelholzThe United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
Scott 'Worst Bond Film in 30 Years' Mendelson of Forbes magazine can't stop talking about SPECTRE, now that it seems to have better legs than anticipated:
.... "So for many casual fans of the franchise, "
X-( arg, gottal love "Casual Audiences" - again!
That arrogance in "my opinion is much better than yours" attitude X-(
From the AJB glossary: Casual Audiences/Casual Bond Fans - Suggested by Bondtoys - People for whom a James Bond film is "just another movie"...and also used to deride fans who don't enjoy Timothy Dalton's performance, offering the easy explanation that the "grittier" tone of the Dalton Bonds isn't as appealing for people who don't know much about Fleming and Bond - or, maybe they simply can't get over the fact that Roger Moore had to retire at some point.
Oh...that is just splendid. Thank you for making my late night complete, mein guter freund.
Check out my Amazon author page!Mark Loeffelholz
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Scott 'Worst Bond Film in 30 Years' Mendelson of Forbes magazine can't stop talking about SPECTRE, now that it seems to have better legs than anticipated:
"Why is it doing so well despite comparatively half-hearted reviews and buzz? Well, the James Bond films tend to play to those who like James Bond movies. That may sound like an obvious statement, but even the bad reviews (such as mine) pointed out that the film still contained many of the things that fans liked about the franchise, specifically the violence, the various attractive sexual conquests, the gadgets, and the globetrotting locations. So for many casual fans of the franchise, or maybe just old-school action junkies, Spectre is absolutely worth their 2.5 hours."
Oh dear, I hope this isn't keeping Mr. Mendelson from getting a good nights sleep. ) This guy really has his finger on the pulse of movie goers. What an epiphany, after 50+ years of raking in huge $$$ at the box office this gonad has finally come to the realization that people love Bond films. ) -{
He is actually being very specific. He feels that fans of the James Bond franchise might like this James Bond film. Now that's insight.
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Comments
Rome sequences and $75 mill for the man from uncle film.
I can see the money on the screen: four far-flung locations, the manpower and logistics to move such a huge production---lodging, food, insurance, transportation---doing practical stunts on location, waiting days for the right weather in Austria, burning thousands of dollars a minute...production shut down for 2 weeks while Craig has surgery on his knee, while rented equipment sits idle...it really is right there on the screen.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Haven't seen the international numbers yet.
That's gotta be pretty close to SF territory.
http://deadline.com/2015/11/spectre-china-box-office-record-opening-1201624239/
It's raking the cash in abroad, from what I've heard; a $50+ million opening in China. SP isn't going to fail or lose money. It's good that it will have a couple of solid weeks before Mockingjay 2 swoops in and takes the #1 slot.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Adele obviously critically acclaimed everywhere, Sam Smith not so (does he even exist in the US).
The song personally was the first (and only) negative thing about the films release for me
I remember Skyfall had a dodgy copy leaked onto torrents very quickly after the films release
I also hope it does well as it secures the future. There could be benefits in a slightly lower take and reduced profit as it would reduce the pressure and the budget next time out. So much has been expected of SP both from critics following Skyfall and in terms of commercial success. Whatever happens now it is far from a financial disaster, the worst that could happen is it disappoints as a cash Cow. No reason at all to be depressed in my book, in fact all the more reason to be optimistic for the next one.
Yes -{ Critics trash Bond, film audiences disregard critics, Bond films make money, the earth revolves around the sun...it's the circle of life.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Production did shut down for a brief period after Craig's injury, but it certainly wasn't for two weeks. It was one week at most. There was only about half a day lost in Austria to my recollection.
Just going by what was said by the principals in interviews, re: the shutdown. My layman's eyes can see the money, at any rate---the locations and action shot there is prima facie evidence of the money being onscreen, IMO.
Interesting about Austria; leads me to think that they were fine with the overcast conditions, if they didn't wait more than half a day for it to clear! I really like the way that location looks.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
"Why is it doing so well despite comparatively half-hearted reviews and buzz? Well, the James Bond films tend to play to those who like James Bond movies. That may sound like an obvious statement, but even the bad reviews (such as mine) pointed out that the film still contained many of the things that fans liked about the franchise, specifically the violence, the various attractive sexual conquests, the gadgets, and the globetrotting locations. So for many casual fans of the franchise, or maybe just old-school action junkies, Spectre is absolutely worth their 2.5 hours."
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I agree about seeing the money in the locations. I understand that location shooting is a lot more expensive than shooting at Pinewood, and the production made excellent use of the locations. It's very clear when compared to Skyfall, where Turkey is the only locations outside of the UK. China and Macau have impressive sets, but those are nothing compared to the location work that showed through in Spectre. Mexico City, Rome, Austria and Morocco all looked spectacular. In understanding how much money location work involves, I can see the money.
Well, that's exactly what you would expect of a true Bond fan! Do you have a link for this?
This guy has an odd attitude for a guy who is supposed to be a Bond fan. That's the kind of stuff that people who hate the Bond movies write.
I actually think that a problem with the movie is that it was overly ambitious and I think the critical attitude will change over time (in a positive way) much as it has with OHMSS.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2015/11/15/spectre-box-office-bond-plays-like-bourne-in-us-nears-550m-worldwide/
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
"Better make that two."
Oh dear, I hope this isn't keeping Mr. Mendelson from getting a good nights sleep.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
"Better make that two."
X-( arg, gottal love "Casual Audiences" - again!
That arrogance in "my opinion is much better than yours" attitude X-(
From the AJB glossary:
Casual Audiences/Casual Bond Fans - Suggested by Bondtoys - People for whom a James Bond film is "just another movie"...and also used to deride fans who don't enjoy Timothy Dalton's performance, offering the easy explanation that the "grittier" tone of the Dalton Bonds isn't as appealing for people who don't know much about Fleming and Bond - or, maybe they simply can't get over the fact that Roger Moore had to retire at some point.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Oh...that is just splendid. Thank you for making my late night complete, mein guter freund.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
He is actually being very specific. He feels that fans of the James Bond franchise might like this James Bond film. Now that's insight.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/china-box-office-spectre-has-840933
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
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