Even people who have issues with the Brosnan Era can't agree exactly on their opinions of the movies.
Just goes to show that there is diversity even in criticism.
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Goldeneye is one of the very best Bond movies, and it's certainly not forgettable. Tomorrow Never Dies - a very solid one. To me Brosnan remains the ultimate modern/21st century Bond. Craig's Bond is not even close.
Goldeneye is one of the very best Bond movies, and it's certainly not forgettable. Tomorrow Never Dies - a very solid one. To me Brosnan remains the ultimate modern/21st century Bond. Craig's Bond is not even close.
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"You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
Before I joined this forum, I would never have guessed that there is so much "hate" for Mr.Brosnan. lately, in every thread you can read begative comments about the Brosnan films, now this gets started; I tell you it is really crazy
would be nice some people on here must really understand that there are fellow fans on here (like me) that like him. and therfore shouldn't aleays pick on him!
"You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
If ever you want to shore up controversy on these boards you start with "Brosnan is ****" trope and let the insults fly.
"But he was my Bond" sing the Brozzers. He wasn't for me. He was my third. So I can look at his films dispassionately.
Things which went wrong during his tenure
Script
Casting
directors
The Bond scripts were turned out by Richard Maibaum and Tom Mankiewicz and for 30 years they made good solid films. They handed in the script, Cubby tweaked it but they were put together with help from producer, director. With GE we got Purvis and Wade, two unknowns and worst of all we were interference from the director. The director is key in all this. He interferes. And as we know starting with TND we know the studio had massive interference with the scripts. They had to have their men on board.
The studio were stumping up a huge amount pf money. So they had to oversee it. In the Cubby Broccoli days they had people on board -but Cubby Broccoli kept them in check. All Cubbys people were part of the team from wardrobe assistant to key cameranan. Once again Barbaras people were new and were at the mercy of directors
With GE they had Martin Campbell - who did solid work. Personally I find GE to be the most depressing of the Bonds. Too formulaic for words. The first half hour is Bond in cliche, ie the vodka martini, the Aston Martin. But after LTK they had to make them like that again. Get Bond back on course. But the thought of watching GE fills me with ennui. TND is where the problems begin. They were having trouble securing directors amd chose ones which didn't like Bond that much. Roger Spottiswoode is like that. Also the casting was wrong. Debbie McWilliams was throwing her hands in the air with Teri Hatcher. And we can thank Judi Dench for spilling about the script rewrites they went through. Quite frankly what a mess
Michael Apted did TWINE and it has an interesting premise based on Barbara's onshore gas pipelines. But Apted thought he was making a drama therefore he concentrates on the drama (and his wife on Electra). Once again Purvis and Wade are pulled in different direction - drama or humour? And the result is a mess? It actually had me swearing at the screen? "What the hell is going on here?"
And Die another Day? Well, I hope Tamahori is sitting in New Zealand hanging his head in shame
Lets take a look at the casting. I am afraid Brosnan himself should take some bashing. Compared with his predecessor and successor he lacks acting chops. During his time I was mixing with actors in London and they told me what to look for in actors. James Bond is a non-acting role. I beg to differ. To watch Connery, Dalton or Craig in the role is to watch professionals. If Pierce had tried that then maybe it would have worked. At least Pierce could try and get them out of the mess they were in. Sometimes lead actors lead on set as well
Brosnan is a great Bond. And we are just throwing poo his way because we are all caught up in the " moody Craig era".
I'm guessing this is part of the "hate the bond before trope".
Not really. Craig has got it in spades. He can actually act. Do you think Connery is criticised for his sixties Bonds? A great performance is a great performance. It carries on throughout the ages. I truly believe there wasn't any direction in the films but for Casino Royale
Brosnan is capable of doing everything Craig has done as Bond acting-wise (though not stunt-wise), though Brosnan would have done it with more emotion, and people might not have liked that.
Acting wise? Its first year drama emotion. I think he graduated then slunk off to America to do Remington Steele. Do you think he could play Iago as Craig will be doing in New York in a few months time?
Ben Wishaw is a better actor then Brosnan is?
1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
If ever you want to shore up controversy on these boards you start with "Brosnan is ****" trope and let the insults fly.
"But he was my Bond" sing the Brozzers. He wasn't for me. He was my third. So I can look at his films dispassionately.
Things which went wrong during his tenure
Script
Casting
directors
The Bond scripts were turned out by Richard Maibaum and Tom Mankiewicz and for 30 years they made good solid films. They handed in the script, Cubby tweaked it but they were put together with help from producer, director. With GE we got Purvis and Wade, two unknowns and worst of all we were interference from the director. The director is key in all this. He interferes. And as we know starting with TND we know the studio had massive interference with the scripts. They had to have their men on board.
The studio were stumping up a huge amount pf money. So they had to oversee it. In the Cubby Broccoli days they had people on board -but Cubby Broccoli kept them in check. All Cubbys people were part of the team from wardrobe assistant to key cameranan. Once again Barbaras people were new and were at the mercy of directors
With GE they had Martin Campbell - who did solid work. Personally I find GE to be the most depressing of the Bonds. Too formulaic for words. The first half hour is Bond in cliche, ie the vodka martini, the Aston Martin. But after LTK they had to make them like that again. Get Bond back on course. But the thought of watching GE fills me with ennui. TND is where the problems begin. They were having trouble securing directors amd chose ones which didn't like Bond that much. Roger Spottiswoode is like that. Also the casting was wrong. Debbie McWilliams was throwing her hands in the air with Teri Hatcher. And we can thank Judi Dench for spilling about the script rewrites they went through. Quite frankly what a mess
Michael Apted did TWINE and it has an interesting premise based on Barbara's onshore gas pipelines. But Apted thought he was making a drama therefore he concentrates on the drama (and his wife on Electra). Once again Purvis and Wade are pulled in different direction - drama or humour? And the result is a mess? It actually had me swearing at the screen? "What the hell is going on here?"
And Die another Day? Well, I hope Tamahori is sitting in New Zealand hanging his head in shame
Lets take a look at the casting. I am afraid Brosnan himself should take some bashing. Compared with his predecessor and successor he lacks acting chops. During his time I was mixing with actors in London and they told me what to look for in actors. James Bond is a non-acting role. I beg to differ. To watch Connery, Dalton or Craig in the role is to watch professionals. If Pierce had tried that then maybe it would have worked. At least Pierce could try and get them out of the mess they were in. Sometimes lead actors lead on set as well
Brosnan is a great Bond. And we are just throwing poo his way because we are all caught up in the " moody Craig era".
I'm guessing this is part of the "hate the bond before trope".
Not really. Craig has got it in spades. He can actually act. Do you think Connery is criticised for his sixties Bonds? A great performance is a great performance. It carries on throughout the ages. I truly believe there wasn't any direction in the films but for Casino Royale
Brosnan is capable of doing everything Craig has done as Bond acting-wise (though not stunt-wise), though Brosnan would have done it with more emotion, and people might not have liked that.
Acting wise? Its first year drama emotion. I think he graduated then slunk off to America to do Remington Steele. Do you think he could play Iago as Craig will be doing in New York in a few months time?
Ben Wishaw is a better actor then Brosnan is?
I think I'll stick to the singing
"You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
Before I joined this forum, I would never have guessed that there is so much "hate" for Mr.Brosnan. lately, in every thread you can read begative comments about the Brosnan films, now this gets started; I tell you it is really crazy
would be nice some people on here must really understand that there are fellow fans on here (like me) that like him. and therfore shouldn't aleays pick on him!
I wouldn't say hate so much as disappointment. And the box office numbers suggest the general audience feels the same way.
The Bond scripts were turned out by Richard Maibaum and Tom Mankiewicz and for 30 years they made good solid films. They handed in the script, Cubby tweaked it but they were put together with help from producer, director. With GE we got Purvis and Wade, two unknowns and worst of all we were interference from the director. The director is key in all this. He interferes. And as we know starting with TND we know the studio had massive interference with the scripts. They had to have their men on board.
You can't blame Purvis and Wade for GE. They didn't start until TWINE.
Saying Brosnan is not a good actor is ridiculous. I actually think he's a great actor. And YES I do think he could have pulled off the darker more realistic Bond that Craig is doing. I'm telling you give Brosnan a CR and it would have been a total different story.
I do agree though, when I joined the boards I was also surprised at the Brosnan hate. And I will say hate because he is the only Bond that gets criticized so much. Which to me was shocking upon arrival.
I also would like to add that I find it funny that George Lazenby largely gets a pass around here. His film was great. But all you hear about him is ehh,not a good actor. I loved what he did In OHMSS. Dalton also was not well received by the audience AT ALL. Yet he has a cult following now and on the boards seems more respected then Brosnan.
But hey that's why these conversations can be fun. All the different opinions.
To watch Connery, Dalton or Craig in the role is to watch professionals.
I'm a Dalton fan myself, so at least we share that.
Connery, at least in my opinion, was great in his early films, but utterly sucked in DAF. Being a professional wasn't of much use there.
I think Craig's a good actor, but if you ask me, he's not quite as charming as Brosnan was. Generally, he has shown improvement since his debut as Bond, but when I stack up his quotes against those of Brosnan, Dalton, Moore, or Connery, he's a clear loser. It's not so much being a "professional" what makes a great Bond for me, as it is managing to fit in and leave your stamp on the part.
In the end, we're just expressing opinions, and Bond fans will be fighting until the end of time over this or that. Such is the way of things.
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Usually I can get into blasting the Brosan-haters, but I'm so full of good will thanks to seeing SPECTRE recently that I will give all of the nonsense a pass... for now.
Brosnan would not have owned CR, he looked out of shape in DAD and he didn't have the look of a killer in his eyes, DC has the killer look and is cool in the role.
Brosnan would not have owned CR, he looked out of shape in DAD and he didn't have the look of a killer in his eyes, DC has the killer look and is cool in the role.
to say he was out of shape is sheer nonsense talk!
he has a flat stomach and looks just fine!
guess you're only a Bond fan since DC?
"You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
DAD has one of Brozzer's very best 007 performances imo.
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Brosnan would not have owned CR, he looked out of shape in DAD and he didn't have the look of a killer in his eyes, DC has the killer look and is cool in the role.
to say he was out of shape is sheer nonsense talk!
he has a flat stomach and looks just fine!
guess you're only a Bond fan since DC?
I've been a Bond fan 40 years, PB Bond was not in shape, compare him to Toby Stephens in the fencing fight, I rest my case. PB never had the killer look.
Connery in his early films, GL and DC all look like they could kill you.
Brosnan looked very convincing as a cold killer to me in that scene in TND when his Bond killed Kauffman.
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Brosnan would not have owned CR, he looked out of shape in DAD and he didn't have the look of a killer in his eyes, DC has the killer look and is cool in the role.
to say he was out of shape is sheer nonsense talk!
he has a flat stomach and looks just fine!
guess you're only a Bond fan since DC?
I've been a Bond fan 40 years, PB Bond was not in shape, compare him to Toby Stephens in the fencing fight, I rest my case. PB never had the killer look.
Connery in his early films, GL and DC all look like they could kill you.
Have you seen The November Man or The Fourth Protocol? Brosnan can be tough and dark, and I think he does it more effectively than Craig. If Brosnan could get back into shape for The November Man in his 60s, he could have done it a decade earlier for CR.
Perhaps as Bond had just been released from a North Korean prison,
Having been torture and not allowed any hair products, he shouldn't
Really look in the best of shape ? Just an idea.
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Perhaps as Bond had just been released from a North Korean prison,
Having been torture and not allowed any hair products, he shouldn't
Really look in the best of shape ? Just an idea.
Brosnan looked very convincing as a cold killer to me in that scene in TND when his Bond killed Kauffman.
Brosnan is too much of a pretty boy Imo, a bit like Sir Roger.
I have to disagree, but to each their own. I think Brosnan was a fantastic 007, and not just there for eye-candy.
I'm a Moore fan as well, love some of his one-liners.
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Perhaps as Bond had just been released from a North Korean prison,
Having been torture and not allowed any hair products, he shouldn't
Really look in the best of shape ? Just an idea.
At the moment he leaves prison, he looks to be in the best shape of the entire film!
Brosnan would not have owned CR, he looked out of shape in DAD and he didn't have the look of a killer in his eyes, DC has the killer look and is cool in the role.
to say he was out of shape is sheer nonsense talk!
he has a flat stomach and looks just fine!
guess you're only a Bond fan since DC?
I've been a Bond fan 40 years, PB Bond was not in shape, compare him to Toby Stephens in the fencing fight, I rest my case. PB never had the killer look.
Connery in his early films, GL and DC all look like they could kill you.
rest the case as you wish, but do the math: Toby Stephens was 33 at the time while Brosnan was 49 already. The same applies to Connery!
I would hardly call that "out of shape"
"You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
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Just goes to show that there is diversity even in criticism.
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
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Good point, I tend to agree.
Craig is a little more rip-sht-and-bust, more of the literary type Bond (still not as rough as that though). Brosnan is the more modern man I guess.
"Better make that two."
would be nice some people on here must really understand that there are fellow fans on here (like me) that like him. and therfore shouldn't aleays pick on him!
"But he was my Bond" sing the Brozzers. He wasn't for me. He was my third. So I can look at his films dispassionately.
Things which went wrong during his tenure
Script
Casting
directors
The Bond scripts were turned out by Richard Maibaum and Tom Mankiewicz and for 30 years they made good solid films. They handed in the script, Cubby tweaked it but they were put together with help from producer, director. With GE we got Purvis and Wade, two unknowns and worst of all we were interference from the director. The director is key in all this. He interferes. And as we know starting with TND we know the studio had massive interference with the scripts. They had to have their men on board.
The studio were stumping up a huge amount pf money. So they had to oversee it. In the Cubby Broccoli days they had people on board -but Cubby Broccoli kept them in check. All Cubbys people were part of the team from wardrobe assistant to key cameranan. Once again Barbaras people were new and were at the mercy of directors
With GE they had Martin Campbell - who did solid work. Personally I find GE to be the most depressing of the Bonds. Too formulaic for words. The first half hour is Bond in cliche, ie the vodka martini, the Aston Martin. But after LTK they had to make them like that again. Get Bond back on course. But the thought of watching GE fills me with ennui. TND is where the problems begin. They were having trouble securing directors amd chose ones which didn't like Bond that much. Roger Spottiswoode is like that. Also the casting was wrong. Debbie McWilliams was throwing her hands in the air with Teri Hatcher. And we can thank Judi Dench for spilling about the script rewrites they went through. Quite frankly what a mess
Michael Apted did TWINE and it has an interesting premise based on Barbara's onshore gas pipelines. But Apted thought he was making a drama therefore he concentrates on the drama (and his wife on Electra). Once again Purvis and Wade are pulled in different direction - drama or humour? And the result is a mess? It actually had me swearing at the screen? "What the hell is going on here?"
And Die another Day? Well, I hope Tamahori is sitting in New Zealand hanging his head in shame
Lets take a look at the casting. I am afraid Brosnan himself should take some bashing. Compared with his predecessor and successor he lacks acting chops. During his time I was mixing with actors in London and they told me what to look for in actors. James Bond is a non-acting role. I beg to differ. To watch Connery, Dalton or Craig in the role is to watch professionals. If Pierce had tried that then maybe it would have worked. At least Pierce could try and get them out of the mess they were in. Sometimes lead actors lead on set as well
Not really. Craig has got it in spades. He can actually act. Do you think Connery is criticised for his sixties Bonds? A great performance is a great performance. It carries on throughout the ages. I truly believe there wasn't any direction in the films but for Casino Royale
Acting wise? Its first year drama emotion. I think he graduated then slunk off to America to do Remington Steele. Do you think he could play Iago as Craig will be doing in New York in a few months time?
Ben Wishaw is a better actor then Brosnan is?
I think I'll stick to the singing
The general audience is irrelevant, they're no Bond fans
You can't blame Purvis and Wade for GE. They didn't start until TWINE.
I do agree though, when I joined the boards I was also surprised at the Brosnan hate. And I will say hate because he is the only Bond that gets criticized so much. Which to me was shocking upon arrival.
But hey that's why these conversations can be fun. All the different opinions.
I'm a Dalton fan myself, so at least we share that.
Connery, at least in my opinion, was great in his early films, but utterly sucked in DAF. Being a professional wasn't of much use there.
I think Craig's a good actor, but if you ask me, he's not quite as charming as Brosnan was. Generally, he has shown improvement since his debut as Bond, but when I stack up his quotes against those of Brosnan, Dalton, Moore, or Connery, he's a clear loser. It's not so much being a "professional" what makes a great Bond for me, as it is managing to fit in and leave your stamp on the part.
In the end, we're just expressing opinions, and Bond fans will be fighting until the end of time over this or that. Such is the way of things.
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
to say he was out of shape is sheer nonsense talk!
he has a flat stomach and looks just fine!
guess you're only a Bond fan since DC?
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
I've been a Bond fan 40 years, PB Bond was not in shape, compare him to Toby Stephens in the fencing fight, I rest my case. PB never had the killer look.
Connery in his early films, GL and DC all look like they could kill you.
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Have you seen The November Man or The Fourth Protocol? Brosnan can be tough and dark, and I think he does it more effectively than Craig. If Brosnan could get back into shape for The November Man in his 60s, he could have done it a decade earlier for CR.
Having been torture and not allowed any hair products, he shouldn't
Really look in the best of shape ? Just an idea.
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Ha ha
Brosnan is too much of a pretty boy Imo, a bit like Sir Roger.
I have to disagree, but to each their own. I think Brosnan was a fantastic 007, and not just there for eye-candy.
I'm a Moore fan as well, love some of his one-liners.
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
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Me too, all the actors have their merits.
At the moment he leaves prison, he looks to be in the best shape of the entire film!
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
My curse
rest the case as you wish, but do the math: Toby Stephens was 33 at the time while Brosnan was 49 already. The same applies to Connery!
I would hardly call that "out of shape"