Brosnan - What went wrong?

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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    GE: Excellent Bond film.
    TND: Good action film.
    TWINE: Excellent drama film.
    DAD: Terrible Bond film.

    There's just a lack of consistency vs. other Bond films.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    I can totally get why someone would hate DAD, but for me it's a fun film, plus it benefits from having my fave Bond.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    Yeah I don't agree that it wasn't heartfelt. You can see it in his face and the way he talks to her before killing her - he knows what he has to do and it's f-ing hard.

    Best Brosnan moment in all his tenure.
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    My fave individual Brosnan 007 moment is prob the scene between Bond and M at the clinic in DAD. I just love his performance in that scene.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    I can totally get why someone would hate DAD, but for me it's a fun film, plus it benefits from having my fave Bond.

    Oh I can write reams and reams of my dislike for Die another Day. The time that I wanted Bond to finish..

    Luckily Dan Craig was waiting in the wings
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    My fave individual Brosnan 007 moment is prob the scene between Bond and M at the clinic in DAD. I just love his performance in that scene.

    What? The scene where he slows his heart? When DAD began to resemble bad science fiction.A true indicator that DAD was going to be "one of those films"
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    My fave individual Brosnan 007 moment is prob the scene between Bond and M at the clinic in DAD. I just love his performance in that scene.

    What? The scene where he slows his heart? When DAD began to resemble bad science fiction.A true indicator that DAD was going to be "one of those films"

    just accept that there are people who like it!
    "You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    Recently, I rewatched all Brosnan Bond films and found that TND has aged better than others. .... How time flies. His last film is now over a decade old
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    My fave individual Brosnan 007 moment is prob the scene between Bond and M at the clinic in DAD. I just love his performance in that scene.

    What? The scene where he slows his heart? When DAD began to resemble bad science fiction.A true indicator that DAD was going to be "one of those films"

    No broad, a bit before that. When they're talking.

    But you despise the film anyway, so why should I bother to explain this?
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I for one enjoy the Brosnan films -{ and yes that includes DAD. :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    edited November 2015
    It's not everyone's cup of tea for sure, but it's still an EON Bond film.


    And the worst EON Bond films are better than many bad films.


    Because every EON Bond film has something that redeems it.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    The worst Bond film is better than many GOOD films ! :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    am747 wrote:
    Recently, I rewatched all Brosnan Bond films and found that TND has aged better than others. .... How time flies. His last film is now over a decade old

    TWINE has aged very well. It really doesn't seem dated at all. GE is really dated.
    Visit my blog, Bond Suits
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
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    But you despise the film anyway, so why should I bother to explain this?

    I've just got back from Manchester so will address this

    Whether I "despise it" is immaterial. If we engaging on discussions here then try to contradict me with facts. So far no one has rocked me with an opinion. There's been no counterargument to say this is the best thing since sliced bread. Come up with reasons that I am wrong?
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
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    But you despise the film anyway, so why should I bother to explain this?

    I've just got back from Manchester so will address this

    Whether I "despise it" is immaterial. If we engaging on discussions here then try to contradict me with facts. So far no one has rocked me with an opinion. There's been no counterargument to say this is the best thing since sliced bread. Come up with reasons that I am wrong?

    I don't think you're wrong broad, this isn't about being right or wrong.

    I just think that dialogue between Bond and M shows a great performance from Brosnan. But that's just my opinion.

    And I can understand your criticism of the scene when Bond's heart stops, and then he suddenly escapes the clinic.

    I was just clarifying that the dialogue scene to which I was referring to was before that.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    [
    But you despise the film anyway, so why should I bother to explain this?

    I've just got back from Manchester so will address this

    Whether I "despise it" is immaterial. If we engaging on discussions here then try to contradict me with facts. So far no one has rocked me with an opinion. There's been no counterargument to say this is the best thing since sliced bread. Come up with reasons that I am wrong?

    I don't think you're wrong broad, this isn't about being right or wrong.

    I just think that dialogue between Bond and M shows a great performance from Brosnan. But that's just my opinion.

    And I can understand your criticism of the scene when Bond's heart stops, and then he suddenly escapes the clinic.

    I was just clarifying that the dialogue scene to which I was referring to was before that.

    +1 -{
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    I for one enjoy the Brosnan films -{ and yes that includes DAD. :D
    A re-post from another site I posted on:

    Look, when we feel we've been betrayed, there's a certain amount of anger we feel as fans, I get that. I've felt it myself twice ("Here's to us" & Severine's demise), but hey, films aren't all art, they are a blend of art & business. To make a 200 million dollar movie is a huge undertaking, and peeps fronting the money WILL have their say. Producers WILL have re-writes, and directors WILL make snap decisions due to time & budgetary constraints. We need to be happy for the ones that we love, and be tolerant of the ones we don't IMHO. For this is a rather unique series of films and not every entry will please every fan.*

    *My attempt at the diplomatic thing here. :007)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    I can totally get why someone would hate DAD, but for me it's a fun film, plus it benefits from having my fave Bond.

    Oh I can write reams and reams of my dislike for Die another Day. The time that I wanted Bond to finish..

    Luckily Dan Craig was waiting in the wings


    You wanted Bond to finish then? I don't want Bond to finish now, I'm just waiting for the new actor!
  • MR-9MR-9 Posts: 15MI6 Agent
    Aston Martin equipped with "adaptive camouflage"!! :s
  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    MR-9 wrote:
    Aston Martin equipped with "adaptive camouflage"!! :s
    Yup
    "You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    MR-9 wrote:
    Aston Martin equipped with "adaptive camouflage"!! :s

    I hope you don't watch 007 films hoping to see normal everyday gadgets :))
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    So long as the gadget has some basis in truth, I'm ok with it.
    "Adaptive Camouflage " , is being worked on, so we could
    see it ( or rather, Not see it) in the future. :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    So long as the gadget has some basis in truth, I'm ok with it.
    "Adaptive Camouflage " , is being worked on, so we could
    see it ( or rather, Not see it) in the future. :D

    Imagine if everyone has adaptive camouflage on on the road :))
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I never heard any complaints about Wonder Woman's Plane ;) :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    am747 wrote:
    Recently, I rewatched all Brosnan Bond films and found that TND has aged better than others. .... How time flies. His last film is now over a decade old

    I quite agree...TND has not aged at all. It makes me feel exactly the same emotions as the first day I saw it. 8-)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    am747 wrote:
    Recently, I rewatched all Brosnan Bond films and found that TND has aged better than others. .... How time flies. His last film is now over a decade old

    I quite agree...TND has not aged at all. It makes me feel exactly the same emotions as the first day I saw it. 8-)
    *Passes the Phuyuck*
    This will make it better.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    '74 Sir!
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    Brosnan - what went wrong? :))

    Same question could be applied to Dalton or Craig :p

    What went wrong the most is having cut his tenure short. DAD was hugely successful and critically acclaimed and loved by the audiences around the world in 2002. That is a fact that many (try) tend to forget these days.

    Sure DAD didn't hold up well, especially after CR was released because the change of style that was needed but that would have worked wonderful with Campbell/Brosnan.
    Dalton Rulez™
  • Dirty PunkerDirty Punker ...Your Eyes Only, darling."Posts: 2,587MI6 Agent
    DAD was hugely successful and critically acclaimed and loved by the audiences around the world in 2002. That is a fact that many (try) tend to forget these days.
    My father, being a man with impeccable taste, found it agonising to see it in the cinema back in '02.
    (I'm sure he wasn't the only one that felt that way)
    In fact, he was counting seconds until the movie ended. (He liked it until Jinx surfaced. "It all went downhill after that.")
    Had he been watching it alone he would've left the cinema.
    We saw it together quite recently and his feelings towards it haven't changed.
    Even when he saw GE back then he found it to be a let down (being the Dalton fan that he was) and he still does today.
    His favourite (and oddly mine) is TND, by far.
    a reasonable rate of return
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    Yes Dirty Punker, but the general audience loved it back then nonetheless.

    It's the same with SF, while generally loved in 2012 there are in fact a few people that never liked it much.

    Not liking GE is the same as not liking CR, it's perfectly alright, tastes are different.
    Dalton Rulez™
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