To my ears Pierce tended to say 'Baaand' most of the time. He sounded less English as his tenure progressed.
No problem there- Bond isn't English .
Just so B-) At the end of the TMWTGG novel, Bond refers to himself as a 'Scottish peasant.'
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To my ears Pierce tended to say 'Baaand' most of the time. He sounded less English as his tenure progressed.
No problem there- Bond isn't English .
I know that. I was referring to his accent which is/was/should be English.Bond himself tends to refer to himself as British. What is certain is that he does not have an American accent.
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
The last time you brought this up I listened to that line again and I have no idea what you are hearing.
The British Calvin Dyson brings it up in this video. Perhaps it's easier to hear if you're used to hearing mostly British? It's around 11 minutes in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mte9HfYL_I
To my ears Pierce tended to say 'Baaand' most of the time. He sounded less English as his tenure progressed.
He has a wonderful pronunciation and accent though, probably the best of the Bond actors, with Dalton and Moore closely following.
Didn't realise "hungry" is not a British word! "Peckish" is not a word in my lexicon...
Interesting article, but by necessity simplistic - there are many other "Englishes" (Indian, Nigerian, Australian, NZ, South African... almost an endless list), and even within British or American English there are many varieties, which include vocabulary only used locally.
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The British Calvin Dyson brings it up in this video. Perhaps it's easier to hear if you're used to hearing mostly British? It's around 11 minutes in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mte9HfYL_I
To my ears Pierce tended to say 'Baaand' most of the time. He sounded less English as his tenure progressed.
He has a wonderful pronunciation and accent though, probably the best of the Bond actors, with Dalton and Moore closely following.
Very subjective ground here, IMO, if we're discussing who comes off as more British? I know Dalton was Welsh; Craig I believe comes from the North? I never had any issues with any of the actors' accents, personally. Brosnan's is the most interesting to me, because there seems to be a lot going on. We know he's Irish, but that doesn't seem at all in the forefront. Ironically, given the Scottish heritage that Fleming added because of Connery's success in the role, Connery's accent seems the most authentic to me.
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To my ears Pierce tended to say 'Baaand' most of the time. He sounded less English as his tenure progressed.
He has a wonderful pronunciation and accent though, probably the best of the Bond actors, with Dalton and Moore closely following.
Very subjective ground here, IMO, if we're discussing who comes off as more British? I know Dalton was Welsh; Craig I believe comes from the North? I never had any issues with any of the actors' accents, personally. Brosnan's is the most interesting to me, because there seems to be a lot going on. We know he's Irish, but that doesn't seem at all in the forefront. Ironically, given the Scottish heritage that Fleming added because of Connery's success in the role, Connery's accent seems the most authentic to me.
Dalton does not have a Welsh accent. His training got rid of that. Same with Moore. Brosnan left Ireland at 10 years old and went to London, so that softened the Irish accent and gave him a little of London. And his training must have taught him RP, since that's what I hear a bit of in Remington Steele. Then Brosnan went to the States and his accent softened more. Connery attempted to sound less Scottish in his earlier Bond films, but the Scottish accent really comes out in DAF. Bond is public school educated, so he should not be expected to have an entirely regional accent. I understand that a public school education teaches RP, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
To my ears Pierce tended to say 'Baaand' most of the time. He sounded less English as his tenure progressed.
No problem there- Bond isn't English .
I know that. I was referring to his accent which is/was/should be English.Bond himself tends to refer to himself as British. What is certain is that he does not have an American accent.
People from England, Wales and Scotland are all British, so Bond is certainly British. There is no such thing as an English accent, but there are many English accents. Bond would be expected to speak RP no matter where he is from.
I know I said I wouldn't but .... You left out N.Ireland. 8-)
Not everyone from Northern Ireland is British. The Irish there generally don't consider themselves British.
I thought no-one from N. Ireland was British. It's the United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland...
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I know I said I wouldn't but .... You left out N.Ireland. 8-)
Not everyone from Northern Ireland is British. The Irish there generally don't consider themselves British.
I thought no-one from N. Ireland was British. It's the United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland...
Great Britain is only one of the British Isles. Others include the Isle of Man and Jersey, though there are many, many more tiny islands. Some consider Ireland to be one of the British Isles and some do not. I did not originally include Northern Ireland because it is controversial whether or not people there are British and I don't want to offend anyone here from Northern Ireland who isn't British.
That’s where it gets complicated… “British Isles” is a geographical name, and Ireland is certainly one of the British Isles. Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom but not part of Britain. Jersey and Isle of Man are not part of the United Kingdom, even though they are British Isles and they recognise the British monarchy.
I know that. I was referring to his accent which is/was/should be English.Bond himself tends to refer to himself as British. What is certain is that he does not have an American accent.
People from England, Wales and Scotland are all British, so Bond is certainly British. There is no such thing as an English accent, but there are many English accents. Bond would be expected to speak RP no matter where he is from.
Correct Bonds background and public school education would have produced RP. It was a mistake by me to say English. The point I was trying to make is that he would not sound American. For my Money Craig and Moore are the closest to my ears.
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
That’s where it gets complicated… “British Isles” is a geographical name, and Ireland is certainly one of the British Isles. Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom but not part of Britain. Jersey and Isle of Man are not part of the United Kingdom, even though they are British Isles and they recognise the British monarchy.
I love this I really do it's terrific! .A seemingly simple discussion has morphed into a fascinating discourse encompassing regional and national identity, class, education, and probably tons of other ' shiz' that I have missed. It's one of the things I really like about AJB
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
I know that. I was referring to his accent which is/was/should be English.Bond himself tends to refer to himself as British. What is certain is that he does not have an American accent.
People from England, Wales and Scotland are all British, so Bond is certainly British. There is no such thing as an English accent, but there are many English accents. Bond would be expected to speak RP no matter where he is from.
Correct Bonds background and public school education would have produced RP. It was a mistake by me to say English. The point I was trying to make is that he would not sound American. For my Money Craig and Moore are the closest to my ears.
Moore - definitely. But I think remains of the northern accent is clearly detectable in Craig's speech (is he a "Geordie"?).
People from England, Wales and Scotland are all British, so Bond is certainly British. There is no such thing as an English accent, but there are many English accents. Bond would be expected to speak RP no matter where he is from.
Correct Bonds background and public school education would have produced RP. It was a mistake by me to say English. The point I was trying to make is that he would not sound American. For my Money Craig and Moore are the closest to my ears.
Moore - definitely. But I think remains of the northern accent is clearly detectable in Craig's speech (is he a "Geordie"?).
Nope a Liverpudlian. He grew up in Chester where his family is and Liverpool would be the biggest town
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The British Calvin Dyson brings it up in this video. Perhaps it's easier to hear if you're used to hearing mostly British? It's around 11 minutes in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mte9HfYL_I
To my ears Pierce tended to say 'Baaand' most of the time. He sounded less English as his tenure progressed.
He has a wonderful pronunciation and accent though, probably the best of the Bond actors, with Dalton and Moore closely following.
Ummm..Pierce left Ireland at ten and it got replaced a pseudo-Putney. Of course he adopted Malibu speak and I hear him in interviews come out with this
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To my ears Pierce tended to say 'Baaand' most of the time. He sounded less English as his tenure progressed.
He has a wonderful pronunciation and accent though, probably the best of the Bond actors, with Dalton and Moore closely following.
Ummm..Pierce left Ireland at ten and it got replaced a pseudo-Putney. Of course he adopted Malibu speak and I hear him in interviews come out with this
I come from an Irish family although born in London (baby!) and can spot a 'Plastic Paddy' when I hear one (have even been guilty of it myself ;% ) Pierce can turn it on when he wants to and his accent is probably best described as 'fluid'
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
Not everyone from Northern Ireland is British. The Irish there generally don't consider themselves British.
I thought no-one from N. Ireland was British. It's the United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland...
Great Britain is only one of the British Isles. Others include the Isle of Man and Jersey, though there are many, many more tiny islands. Some consider Ireland to be one of the British Isles and some do not. I did not originally include Northern Ireland because it is controversial whether or not people there are British and I don't want to offend anyone here from Northern Ireland who isn't British.
Saying that you are offending me, I am Northern Irish born and bred, I am a BRITISH citizen not Irish , our currency is Stirling not Euro, the national flag is the Union flag, the red diagonal cross on it is the Cross of St Patrick, I have a British Passport and Driving licence, I am part of the BRITISH armed forces, I was part of a BRITISH police force for 26 years, my medals have the Queens head on all five, I have no connections at all to the RoI apart from friendships .
As far as accents go, several talented American actors can do a British one, just
As in " The walking dead" and" Hannibal" you have British actors playing Americans.
Perhaps non British people don't understand that there are many old Irish, Welsh
and Scottish Families, who send their kids to public schools, so the British accent
can be all over the place. So like Bond, you may come from Scotland but as soon
as possible you're shipped off to public school, and taught to speak proper ( like what
I does). At one point the only two accents allowed for army officers was, lowland
Scottish and Southern Irish. ( I read that somewhere, so have no facts to back it up)
I'd say these days with travelling and working in other countries, many accents are
Hybrids of sorts.
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I agree with that.
ending with x,y, ZEE.
No problem there- Bond isn't English
Just so B-) At the end of the TMWTGG novel, Bond refers to himself as a 'Scottish peasant.'
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I know that. I was referring to his accent which is/was/should be English.Bond himself tends to refer to himself as British. What is certain is that he does not have an American accent.
He has a wonderful pronunciation and accent though, probably the best of the Bond actors, with Dalton and Moore closely following.
I had to correct my daughter for a couple of years. Think I'm finally winning...
Didn't realise "hungry" is not a British word! "Peckish" is not a word in my lexicon...
Interesting article, but by necessity simplistic - there are many other "Englishes" (Indian, Nigerian, Australian, NZ, South African... almost an endless list), and even within British or American English there are many varieties, which include vocabulary only used locally.
Very subjective ground here, IMO, if we're discussing who comes off as more British? I know Dalton was Welsh; Craig I believe comes from the North? I never had any issues with any of the actors' accents, personally. Brosnan's is the most interesting to me, because there seems to be a lot going on. We know he's Irish, but that doesn't seem at all in the forefront. Ironically, given the Scottish heritage that Fleming added because of Connery's success in the role, Connery's accent seems the most authentic to me.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Dalton does not have a Welsh accent. His training got rid of that. Same with Moore. Brosnan left Ireland at 10 years old and went to London, so that softened the Irish accent and gave him a little of London. And his training must have taught him RP, since that's what I hear a bit of in Remington Steele. Then Brosnan went to the States and his accent softened more. Connery attempted to sound less Scottish in his earlier Bond films, but the Scottish accent really comes out in DAF. Bond is public school educated, so he should not be expected to have an entirely regional accent. I understand that a public school education teaches RP, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Nope. British. The words aren't interchangeable.
People from England, Wales and Scotland are all British, so Bond is certainly British. There is no such thing as an English accent, but there are many English accents. Bond would be expected to speak RP no matter where he is from.
Not everyone from Northern Ireland is British. The Irish there generally don't consider themselves British.
I thought no-one from N. Ireland was British. It's the United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland...
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Great Britain is only one of the British Isles. Others include the Isle of Man and Jersey, though there are many, many more tiny islands. Some consider Ireland to be one of the British Isles and some do not. I did not originally include Northern Ireland because it is controversial whether or not people there are British and I don't want to offend anyone here from Northern Ireland who isn't British.
Correct Bonds background and public school education would have produced RP. It was a mistake by me to say English. The point I was trying to make is that he would not sound American. For my Money Craig and Moore are the closest to my ears.
I love this I really do it's terrific! .A seemingly simple discussion has morphed into a fascinating discourse encompassing regional and national identity, class, education, and probably tons of other ' shiz' that I have missed. It's one of the things I really like about AJB
You wouldn't let it lie
Moore - definitely. But I think remains of the northern accent is clearly detectable in Craig's speech (is he a "Geordie"?).
Nope a Liverpudlian. He grew up in Chester where his family is and Liverpool would be the biggest town
Ummm..Pierce left Ireland at ten and it got replaced a pseudo-Putney. Of course he adopted Malibu speak and I hear him in interviews come out with this
I come from an Irish family although born in London (baby!) and can spot a 'Plastic Paddy' when I hear one (have even been guilty of it myself ;% ) Pierce can turn it on when he wants to and his accent is probably best described as 'fluid'
Faux Irish accent. Which she says he turns on and off as needed.
Saying that you are offending me, I am Northern Irish born and bred, I am a BRITISH citizen not Irish , our currency is Stirling not Euro, the national flag is the Union flag, the red diagonal cross on it is the Cross of St Patrick, I have a British Passport and Driving licence, I am part of the BRITISH armed forces, I was part of a BRITISH police force for 26 years, my medals have the Queens head on all five, I have no connections at all to the RoI apart from friendships .
As in " The walking dead" and" Hannibal" you have British actors playing Americans.
Perhaps non British people don't understand that there are many old Irish, Welsh
and Scottish Families, who send their kids to public schools, so the British accent
can be all over the place.
as possible you're shipped off to public school, and taught to speak proper ( like what
I does). At one point the only two accents allowed for army officers was, lowland
Scottish and Southern Irish. ( I read that somewhere, so have no facts to back it up)
I'd say these days with travelling and working in other countries, many accents are
Hybrids of sorts.