Le Chiffre and "sanctuary"
justonequestion
Central EuropePosts: 59MI6 Agent
Hi everybody,
just got one question regarding "Casino Royale":
Le Chiffre is promised sanctuary in exchange for information. And I've always wondered what that actually meant.
If Le Chiffre had agreed, would would have happened to him? Like during the torture scene, let's just assume he would have given in after all, long before White came to shoot him.
Would they have taken him to MI6 headquarters, given him a room to sleep in for the next few months and questioned him there as long as the people wanting to murder him are still around? Would he have been put on trial for his evil actions nonetheless or be brought to prison afterwards? Or would they have even let it go in exchange for the information?
Would they have let him join some witness protection program, change his identity and background and let him live like a normal person in Britain after everybody wanting to assassinate him has been caught?
I really have no idea. I've been wondering for the past 10 years and with Spectre hitting theatres, I finally decided to google some James Bond forum to ask you guys haha.
Thanks for reading and sorry for any grammar or spelling mistakes, English isn't my first language (I tried hard though).
justonequestion
edit: oh my god, I just realized I should have posted this in the film section. I am sorry! Perhaps someone can move it?
just got one question regarding "Casino Royale":
Le Chiffre is promised sanctuary in exchange for information. And I've always wondered what that actually meant.
If Le Chiffre had agreed, would would have happened to him? Like during the torture scene, let's just assume he would have given in after all, long before White came to shoot him.
Would they have taken him to MI6 headquarters, given him a room to sleep in for the next few months and questioned him there as long as the people wanting to murder him are still around? Would he have been put on trial for his evil actions nonetheless or be brought to prison afterwards? Or would they have even let it go in exchange for the information?
Would they have let him join some witness protection program, change his identity and background and let him live like a normal person in Britain after everybody wanting to assassinate him has been caught?
I really have no idea. I've been wondering for the past 10 years and with Spectre hitting theatres, I finally decided to google some James Bond forum to ask you guys haha.
Thanks for reading and sorry for any grammar or spelling mistakes, English isn't my first language (I tried hard though).
justonequestion
edit: oh my god, I just realized I should have posted this in the film section. I am sorry! Perhaps someone can move it?
"You don’t make art out of good intentions." - Gustave Flaubert;
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Sanctuary city is a term that is applied by some to cities in the United States or Canada that have policies designed to not prosecute illegal aliens. These practices can be by law (de jure) or they can be by habit (de facto). The term generally applies to cities that do not allow municipal funds or resources to be used to enforce federal immigration laws, usually by not allowing police or municipal employees to inquire about an individual's immigration status. The designation has no legal meaning.
I would guess it's something similar in CR. Le Chiffre gives the info they want and in turn they won't prosecute him for his crimes. They may provide him a place to stay to.
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Ah thank you! That makes sense!
But where could he stay? It's not like the people who are after him wouldn't be able to find him. I think they'd probably find him everywhere. Wouldn't it still be dangerous for him even if they changed his identity?
Where are such people safe? Can they be safe at all? He can't spend the rest of his life at MI6 headquarters.
And I don't think M would let him move in with her, or Bond, for that matter haha (just joking).
Thank you!
Thanks for your answer!
That is how I understood it, too. I just wondered what kind of "safe haven" they meant.
Witness protection. Happens all the time. New identity and a low profile life in Canada or New Zealand.
Or if really lucky, Tyne and Wier :v
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_McGartland
Okay, thank you.
So they would have taken him to London, questioned him and send him off to somewhere safe shortly afterwards? Like just hours or days later? I don't know anything about such procedures.
I hope my questions aren't too dumb. ^^
Welcome to AJB!
Safe house, maybe on an army camp or somewhere similar, and "talked to" for weeks or months before re-location.
Thank you!
I'm not trolling or anything if you suspect me of being a former user called Lt Columbo (it appears you do, I am not that person - or do you mean the character Columbo? I've never watched it - shame on me, I know).
I'm in my mid twenties, female and from central Europe.
No, my friend, I'm not calling you a troll at all. I'm a big Columbo fan and he always asks "Just one more thing..." so I thought that might have been where you got the username.
You raise an interesting question - you are most welcome here, have no fear.
I just hope you stay with us and ask more than one more question!
Aw, thank you!
I've never watched Columbo though!
"talked to"?
Doesn't sound pleasant.
water skiing and snow boarding you get
water boarding
That's morbid.
But why would they if he agreed to tell them everything they want to know?
They're debriefed then released under an assumed name. I think they sent Tatiana Romanova from FRWL to Canada in the original novel (when she defected from the Soviet Union), for just one other instance of this sort of thing.
Torture is of course illegal in Britain but that never stops them trying sometimes.
lol, I naively thought they'd just take him to MI6 headquarters and question him there like regular witnesses of regular crimes are questioned at regular police departments. I even imagined M doing it or being present while some other guys do it. I guess I was more than wrong.
And being a regular "good" person I just can't imagine somebody being tortured for information who accepted sanctuary out of fear in the first place in exchange for their knowledge. That's ... cruel.
edit: I even thought they'd give him medical attention if needed and such things and/or check him psychologically, like umm, I don't know the English word for it, get a psychological report on him?
Indeed, I believe the procedure is that such people are taken to a safe house to be debriefed (interrogated) and then they are given a new identity and place to live in order to protect them for information rendered. The Bill of Rights 1688 outlawed "cruel and unusual punishments" (torture) but you wouldn't think that looking at the Craig era Bonds (QoS especially).
Ah, yes, I remember the first scene with White in QoS. But White wasn't really cooperative if I remember correctly. So the torture does somewhat make sense to me. It wouldn't make sense with somebody who's cooperative from my perspective though.
I haven't watched QoS that often to be honest, it was actually one of the bond movies I enjoyed least.
Yes, but it's still illegal hence the rendering in other countries...the QoS reference to the torture of Mr White drew some angry noties in the Press I recall, I think in the Daily Telegraph.
Of course it's still illegal. But they were about to do it and regarding somebody uncooperative it does somewhat make sense they'd try. But I don't see why they'd try to torture somebody who's being totally cooperative.
(needless to say that I do consider the reference to Mr White's torture and torture in general inacceptible - I'm only talking about the plot).
Wouldn't be torture but total de-briefing, everything checked ,double checked and checked again, questioned when tired, lack of sleep,but also treated well .good food etc he was/is an enemy so you don't trust a thing he says until a lot is confirmed. No contact with the outside world.
Thank you, that seems realistic. So they'd probably do psychological profiles/reports and give medical attention too like I thought, I guess.
I was about to doubt our Western nations of law already when everybody started talking about somebody totally cooperative being illegaly tortured lol.
(the whole list of illegal interrogation methods in my country: abuse, tiring, physical interference, giving drugs, torture, misleading/deceiving/tricking and hypnosis)
crucial infomation. I'm guessing manys a blind eye
Is turned. It may not be a nice thought, but might be
an unpleasant necessity.
I fear you're right.
It's still shocking to think about somebody being tortured who AGREED to give that crucial information. And there are actually studies that show that torture/abuse correlates with more wrong information and lies in interrogations.
Ok...I'm lost here...who was going to be tortured after agreeing to voluntarily give information ?:)
Haha, no one really - but Le Chiffre, assuming, just hypothetically, he had agreed to sanctuary in exchange for information. Somebody brought up the thought he might have been tortured during the interrogation. So it's a shocking thing to to think about in case he AGREED to tell them everything they want.