Haven't had a chance to see Spectre yet, but this topic has gotten me excited. Maybe I'll go this week at some point. SO many here have them fairly equal in many ways and I LOVE QoS.
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1) Action : QoS
2) Fights : SP - just !
3) Cinematography : SP
4) Humour : SP - but QoS is underrated for this
5) Bond Girl : QoS
6) Story : QoS - because SP is a mess
7) Villain : QoS - Waltz is underused
8) Henchman : SP - QoS doesn't have one
9) Title Song : QoS - by a MILE !
10) Score : QoS
11) Dan : Tie
An interesting question, I've thought about that exact thing quite a lot after watching Spectre
1) Action. I'll quote you directly on this - "I'll give it to QOS just for the crazy car chase in the PTS." Spectre was lacking. Two hypercars and they give us that chase? I'd rather they use supercars or even normal cars and get some twisted metal.
2) Fights. It was short but Hinx wins
3) Cinematography. Both are great, Spectre probably wins because you don't get to enjoy the shots long enough in QoS
4) Humour. SP
5) Bond Girl. Swann
6) Story. QoS, more straight forward. I liked the intelligence angle just not that brother crap in it
7) Villain. Waltz
8) Henchman. Uh, is this even a question
9) Title song. Neither.
10) Score. QOS by a long shot. Noone can match Barry but this one is great from beginning to end.
11) Dan himself. To quote you again "Always great. Tie."
So
QOS 3
SP 6
Looks like SP wins but not by much. Both had great potential but are severely flawed
My main gripe with QOS is the way it's edited in many respects similar to Paul Greengrasses techniques in the Bourne Supremacy and Ultimatum. No doubt he will employ these same techniques in the new Bourne movie currently being filmed which he is also directing.
I've recently watched QOS again after having watched the Bourne films (so my mind was tuned into that way of editing and filmaking) and I enjoyed it far far more than on any other previous occasions.
I said in another thread there isn't a Bond film that I don't like, I like them all, it's just I prefer some more than others which is all down to personal taste.
With regards to which is better SP or QOS I think SP wins in all departments with the exception of the opening car chase in QOS and QOS theme music.
SP is probably the worst film score in the entire series.
The worst film FAVTAK as least has A-ha great theme tune.
The worst film FAVTAK as least has A-ha great theme tune.
Along with what heartbroken_mr_drax, there is no Bond film with the acronym FAVTAK. There is an unrelated short story by Ian Fleming with that acronym, and the film with a similar title does not deserve to go by that acronym. Since I'd assume you're a Fleming fan, why would you call a Bond film you don't even like FAVTAK?
The worst film FAVTAK as least has A-ha great theme tune.
Along with what heartbroken_mr_drax, there is no Bond film with the acronym FAVTAK. There is an unrelated short story by Ian Fleming with that acronym, and the film with a similar title does not deserve to go by that acronym. Since I'd assume you're a Fleming fan, why would you call a Bond film you don't even like FAVTAK?
SP is probably the worst film score in the entire series.
Have you considered FYEO here? )
FYEO doesn't fit with a Bond film either, but it's fantastic music in its own right. Practically every track can stand alone apart from the film as a solid piece of music. You can't say that about SP's soundtrack.
I take GE's score over FYEO's any day, but everyone has a different opinion.
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New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
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Well then I'll throw a spanner in the works. It may not be the best score for a Bond film, but it's fantastic music. The GE score is more noise than anything.
Yeah, it doesn't happen every day that Virgil, you and I (the 3 of us) agree on something, so cheers for that. -{
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Well then I'll throw a spanner in the works. It may not be the best score for a Bond film, but it's fantastic music. The GE score is more noise than anything.
The GE score is...'experimental'. The FYEO score is Rocky Disco.
I'll take experimental over disco any day of the week (except if it's Donna Summer). )
Yep. Rocky Disco sounds dated. Experimental was ahead of its time and still sounds good. However, any Barry score runs circles around both of them, in my humble opinion.
Well then I'll throw a spanner in the works. It may not be the best score for a Bond film, but it's fantastic music. The GE score is more noise than anything.
The GE score is...'experimental'. The FYEO score is Rocky Disco.
I'll take experimental over disco any day of the week (except if it's Donna Summer). )
Serra's score for Léon was experimental. The second time it is no longer an experiment.
The reason why I hate the Conti score so much is because it works against FYEO's supposedly serious tone imo.
With Serra's score, I think it works well within the context of the movie. It fits the sort of movie it's in, whereas Conti's score does the opposite imo (specifically, the party music parts).
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
The reason why I hate the Conti score so much is because it works against FYEO's supposedly serious tone imo.
With Serra's score, I think it works well within the context of the movie. It fits the sort of movie it's in, whereas Conti's score does the opposite imo (specifically, the party music parts).
Which of these two has a better tone for you?
QOS is rather stone cold serious with some smart humour wedged into some moments.
SP is obviously broader with a lighter feel despite some bracing scenes of violence.
I guess I go with SP, but QOS is so far still my most watched Craig Bond... ?:) I'll see if that changes after the BR comes out.
Interesting, QOS is also my most watched Craig Bond, SP I imagine won't top it, but it'll come close. And your question of tone is likely why, Mendes has an odd feel to him, hard to quantity but the art house underpinnings seem anti-Bondian at times, if that makes any sense.
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Same here.
1) Action. I'll quote you directly on this - "I'll give it to QOS just for the crazy car chase in the PTS." Spectre was lacking. Two hypercars and they give us that chase? I'd rather they use supercars or even normal cars and get some twisted metal.
2) Fights. It was short but Hinx wins
3) Cinematography. Both are great, Spectre probably wins because you don't get to enjoy the shots long enough in QoS
4) Humour. SP
5) Bond Girl. Swann
6) Story. QoS, more straight forward. I liked the intelligence angle just not that brother crap in it
7) Villain. Waltz
8) Henchman. Uh, is this even a question
9) Title song. Neither.
10) Score. QOS by a long shot. Noone can match Barry but this one is great from beginning to end.
11) Dan himself. To quote you again "Always great. Tie."
So
QOS 3
SP 6
Looks like SP wins but not by much. Both had great potential but are severely flawed
2) Fights. SP
3) Cinematography. SP
4) Humour. SP
5) Bond Girl. SP
6) Story. SP
7) Villain. SP
8) Henchman. SP
9) Title song. SP
10) Score. QOS. David Arnold's best work.
11) Dan himself. SP
Oh dear, I'm a fan of QoS but on all of the questions SP wins it 10/11!
"Better make that two."
I've recently watched QOS again after having watched the Bourne films (so my mind was tuned into that way of editing and filmaking) and I enjoyed it far far more than on any other previous occasions.
I said in another thread there isn't a Bond film that I don't like, I like them all, it's just I prefer some more than others which is all down to personal taste.
With regards to which is better SP or QOS I think SP wins in all departments with the exception of the opening car chase in QOS and QOS theme music.
SP is probably the worst film score in the entire series.
The worst film FAVTAK as least has A-ha great theme tune.
"Do you expect me to talk? "No Mister Bond I expect you to die"
TLD is A-ha and AVTAK is Duran Duran.
"Better make that two."
Along with what heartbroken_mr_drax, there is no Bond film with the acronym FAVTAK. There is an unrelated short story by Ian Fleming with that acronym, and the film with a similar title does not deserve to go by that acronym. Since I'd assume you're a Fleming fan, why would you call a Bond film you don't even like FAVTAK?
Relax, everyone makes mistakes...
to err is human, to forgive .... is just the right thing to do.
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FYEO doesn't fit with a Bond film either, but it's fantastic music in its own right. Practically every track can stand alone apart from the film as a solid piece of music. You can't say that about SP's soundtrack.
GE is the worst, I'd say- and NSNA if counted.
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
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I agree, I don't have any issues with it. IMO it's better than FYEO.
"Better make that two."
Me too.
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Well then I'll throw a spanner in the works. It may not be the best score for a Bond film, but it's fantastic music. The GE score is more noise than anything.
Yeah, it doesn't happen every day that Virgil, you and I (the 3 of us) agree on something, so cheers for that. -{
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Yeah, I feel weird too...You guys must be learning to tell bad from good
I'll take experimental over disco any day of the week (except if it's Donna Summer).
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Serra's score for Léon was experimental. The second time it is no longer an experiment.
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
With Serra's score, I think it works well within the context of the movie. It fits the sort of movie it's in, whereas Conti's score does the opposite imo (specifically, the party music parts).
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
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QOS is rather stone cold serious with some smart humour wedged into some moments.
SP is obviously broader with a lighter feel despite some bracing scenes of violence.
I guess I go with SP, but QOS is so far still my most watched Craig Bond... ?:) I'll see if that changes after the BR comes out.
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
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