I believe it is meant to invoke the "C" word, as it's known in the States. Isn't that word more commonly used in UK? I'm pretty sure Bond is dropping a backhanded insult to Denbigh.
2. Blofeld was the cause of all of Bond’s other missions in the previous three films. How can that be? Bond was either given the assignment (Casino Royale, SF) or stumbled on it (QOS). And are we supposed to believe that Blofeld engineered everything (including the outcomes) just to get back at Bond? That’s nuts. For example, I thought Silva was going after M because of what she did to him (which makes sense), but it turns out it was really a plot to kill M so as to make Bond unhappy. That’s insane (in a bad way, unlike, say, Goldfinger, which is insane in a good way).
I agree completely, couldn't believe the scene with the photos of Le Chiffre and Silva (curiously no Dominic Greene ) ) Like Blofeld lined up these 'footsoldiers' to mess Bond up before he delivered the killer blow. Just remember sitting in the cinema really enjoying the film until this scene and then......Ah come off it, I'm not having that 8-)
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1. Madeline decides to go into the desert with Bond on a suicide mission. Why? What possible motive could she have? Remember, she doesn’t even like Bond at this point
Who the hell knows what goes on inside a woman's head ! )
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Gala Brand wrote ...
1. Madeline decides to go into the desert with Bond on a suicide mission. Why? What possible motive could she have? Remember, she doesn’t even like Bond at this point
Who the hell knows what goes on inside a woman's head ! )
If you are suggesting that women generally (at least to men) are a giant plot hole in our lives, then I'm not sure I can disagree.
) ) ) We love them, but will never understand them !
On the point itself, in my mind ( so might not work for everyone) she wants
To find whoever is responsible for her father's death, and she's seen enough
of Bond's unique skills set, to think he may just be the man to finish the job ?
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
I believe it is meant to invoke the "C" word, as it's known in the States. Isn't that word more commonly used in UK? I'm pretty sure Bond is dropping a backhanded insult to Denbigh.
Agreed, can't believe people are missing this !
I don't think most people are missing this. If Bond calls Denbigh "C" because he merely wants to call him a c**t, Denbigh would be livid. But Denbigh responds like it is his title that he'd rather not be called because of Bond's subtle insult. There has to be a more proper meaning to the name "C", and that's what people are wondering.
) ) ) We love them, but will never understand them !
On the point itself, in my mind ( so might not work for everyone) she wants
To find whoever is responsible for her father's death, and she's seen enough
of Bond's unique skills set, to think he may just be the man to finish the job ?
Yeah, maybe. I think this would've worked better if Blofeld had done something to her when she was a child (this is sort of hinted at but then dropped, one of those things that got lost in all the re-writes). She didn't have a lot of love for dear old dad, so I don't think she would've gone on a suicide mission to avenge his death.
2. Blofeld was the cause of all of Bond’s other missions in the previous three films. How can that be? Bond was either given the assignment (Casino Royale, SF) or stumbled on it (QOS). And are we supposed to believe that Blofeld engineered everything (including the outcomes) just to get back at Bond? That’s nuts. For example, I thought Silva was going after M because of what she did to him (which makes sense), but it turns out it was really a plot to kill M so as to make Bond unhappy. That’s insane (in a bad way, unlike, say, Goldfinger, which is insane in a good way).
I agree completely, couldn't believe the scene with the photos of Le Chiffre and Silva (curiously no Dominic Greene ) ) Like Blofeld lined up these 'footsoldiers' to mess Bond up before he delivered the killer blow. Just remember sitting in the cinema really enjoying the film until this scene and then......Ah come off it, I'm not having that 8-)
But how is Blofeld being tuned in to the comings and goings of Bond any more fantastic than Silva creating his elaborate plan in advance to lure Bond to Turkey, have a laptop hard drive stolen to discredit the British Secret Service, have Patrice then escape by train, have Bond take out Patrice and then go to Macau in his place, have Bond go to a Japanese island and capture Silva, have himself taken to a new Secret Service headquarters, have himself escape into a subway line, emerge disguised as a policeman, and then try to kill M on the day and time when she is meeting with a committee only just formed to determine her fitness to administrate? How could Silva be that good? How could he predict this?
The only way to reconcile this absurdly intricate and implausible plot is to assume that Silva was somehow constantly hacked into the Secret Service's computer networks and tracking everything, making adjustments as needed along the way. Of course, there is no direct onscreen verification of this, but if we are to believe Silva could accomplish this, then why couldn't Blofeld have been doing the same thing all along with Bond. After all, at least in Blofeld's lair we have lots of computer screens and such, and Nine Eyes would just be a greater iteration of the sort of computer hacking that, I guess, Silva is supposed to have been doing all along.
I believe it is meant to invoke the "C" word, as it's known in the States. Isn't that word more commonly used in UK? I'm pretty sure Bond is dropping a backhanded insult to Denbigh.
Agreed, can't believe people are missing this !
I don't think most people are missing this. If Bond calls Denbigh "C" because he merely wants to call him a c**t, Denbigh would be livid. But Denbigh responds like it is his title that he'd rather not be called because of Bond's subtle insult. There has to be a more proper meaning to the name "C", and that's what people are wondering.
Sorry Matt, I think you may be wrong, in the UK although we know the C word is still the worst form of swearing, it is not unusual to say things like " there's only one name for people like you, and it starts with C"... It is very much a British insult, Denbigh knows it, but it is only implied, so cannot accuse bond of anything... If bond denies it, he cannot say " well I know what you meant" it's a subjective joke, good old British humour... This time on Denbiegh...
Way late to all of this - I actually only saw Spectre last night, so now I'm catching up on discussions.
I just wanted to weigh in on the definition of plot holes. I believe that there's so much contentious discussion about what constitutes a 'plot hole' because there are related plot issues that have other names, which people mistakenly dub a 'plot hole'.
Plot contrivance - Contrivance in the script that does not go against the logic of a story/character but instead goes against all odds of it occurring.
(a) Contrived Coincidence -- Characters will make bad/good moves against all odds of their respective attributes in order to get the story moving.
(b) Contrived Event -- There could be 1 chance in a billion for two characters to meet, but they will.
Retroactive Continuity - Retcons are script inconsistencies that exist in-between movies of the same franchise. They are thus very similar to plot holes but can only exist in movie series. They are however usually used purposefully to:
(a) accommodate sequels and prequels
(b) resolve chronological issues
(c) correct past plot holes from earlier films in the series.
Unaddressed Issue - Information left out of the script that would have been useful to understand the story better.
Since information is left out, it is impossible to categorize the problem as a plot hole since the script did not address the issue BUT there is reasonable doubt to think that the movie's fictional universe could not answer it appropriately. Sometimes, important plot points are kept vague in order to conceal inevitable plot holes. Unaddressed Issues create general vagueness in the script and overall lazy writing.
Some have called Silva's unlikely plan in Skyfall a plot hole, but I think it would be better categorized as a plot contrivance. Mind you, it's still a problem with the plot, just a slightly different category than a 'hole'.
I enjoyed Spectre - every scene on its own made for good watching, IMO - but unfortunately when these scenes are put together, the plot is littered with contrivances, unaddressed issues, and retcons (Blofeld retroactively being behind the previous films against all logic, etc). Unfortunately this sort of writing is all too common in franchise blockbusters as of late, it seems - Star Trek (2009 and Into Darkness), Terminator (both Salvation and Genesys), Skyfall, Jurassic World, Prometheus, Man of Steel, and so on and so forth. Movies that cost hundreds of millions of dollars to produce, yet they can't sort out basic plot issues for some reason.
The information from the leaked drafts of the script and the Sony emails between the production staff shed some light into the issue where Spectre is concerned. Emails from last year point out concerns with the plot that still made it into the final film for some unknown reason, so it's not like they didn't know they existed. Perhaps part of the problem is that there are too many cooks in the kitchen for most of these movies, and constant re-writing due to various inputs result in a bit of a jumble. Design by committee, and all that.
I know Quantum of Solace isn't everyone's favorite, but I find it interesting that its plot is actually quite clean of plot issues. The general complaint I read about that film seems to be that people don't like the plot, but as far as I can tell it is free of holes/contrivances/etc. Makes me wonder if the writer's strike wasn't a good thing for that film.
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Agreed, can't believe people are missing this !
I agree completely, couldn't believe the scene with the photos of Le Chiffre and Silva (curiously no Dominic Greene
1. Madeline decides to go into the desert with Bond on a suicide mission. Why? What possible motive could she have? Remember, she doesn’t even like Bond at this point
Who the hell knows what goes on inside a woman's head !
If you are suggesting that women generally (at least to men) are a giant plot hole in our lives, then I'm not sure I can disagree.
On the point itself, in my mind ( so might not work for everyone) she wants
To find whoever is responsible for her father's death, and she's seen enough
of Bond's unique skills set, to think he may just be the man to finish the job ?
I don't think most people are missing this. If Bond calls Denbigh "C" because he merely wants to call him a c**t, Denbigh would be livid. But Denbigh responds like it is his title that he'd rather not be called because of Bond's subtle insult. There has to be a more proper meaning to the name "C", and that's what people are wondering.
Yeah, maybe. I think this would've worked better if Blofeld had done something to her when she was a child (this is sort of hinted at but then dropped, one of those things that got lost in all the re-writes). She didn't have a lot of love for dear old dad, so I don't think she would've gone on a suicide mission to avenge his death.
The only way to reconcile this absurdly intricate and implausible plot is to assume that Silva was somehow constantly hacked into the Secret Service's computer networks and tracking everything, making adjustments as needed along the way. Of course, there is no direct onscreen verification of this, but if we are to believe Silva could accomplish this, then why couldn't Blofeld have been doing the same thing all along with Bond. After all, at least in Blofeld's lair we have lots of computer screens and such, and Nine Eyes would just be a greater iteration of the sort of computer hacking that, I guess, Silva is supposed to have been doing all along.
Sorry Matt, I think you may be wrong, in the UK although we know the C word is still the worst form of swearing, it is not unusual to say things like " there's only one name for people like you, and it starts with C"... It is very much a British insult, Denbigh knows it, but it is only implied, so cannot accuse bond of anything... If bond denies it, he cannot say " well I know what you meant" it's a subjective joke, good old British humour... This time on Denbiegh...
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I just wanted to weigh in on the definition of plot holes. I believe that there's so much contentious discussion about what constitutes a 'plot hole' because there are related plot issues that have other names, which people mistakenly dub a 'plot hole'.
Three examples of plot issues that aren't technically 'holes', from http://movieplotholes.com/definitions.html :
Some have called Silva's unlikely plan in Skyfall a plot hole, but I think it would be better categorized as a plot contrivance. Mind you, it's still a problem with the plot, just a slightly different category than a 'hole'.
I enjoyed Spectre - every scene on its own made for good watching, IMO - but unfortunately when these scenes are put together, the plot is littered with contrivances, unaddressed issues, and retcons (Blofeld retroactively being behind the previous films against all logic, etc). Unfortunately this sort of writing is all too common in franchise blockbusters as of late, it seems - Star Trek (2009 and Into Darkness), Terminator (both Salvation and Genesys), Skyfall, Jurassic World, Prometheus, Man of Steel, and so on and so forth. Movies that cost hundreds of millions of dollars to produce, yet they can't sort out basic plot issues for some reason.
The information from the leaked drafts of the script and the Sony emails between the production staff shed some light into the issue where Spectre is concerned. Emails from last year point out concerns with the plot that still made it into the final film for some unknown reason, so it's not like they didn't know they existed. Perhaps part of the problem is that there are too many cooks in the kitchen for most of these movies, and constant re-writing due to various inputs result in a bit of a jumble. Design by committee, and all that.
I know Quantum of Solace isn't everyone's favorite, but I find it interesting that its plot is actually quite clean of plot issues. The general complaint I read about that film seems to be that people don't like the plot, but as far as I can tell it is free of holes/contrivances/etc. Makes me wonder if the writer's strike wasn't a good thing for that film.