Strange differences in opinions - fans vs non fans
MilleniumForce
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I was thinking about this now, and I've just thought it's especially strange. The differences in opinion between some fans compared to those of non fans who may have seen the films and like them but aren't crazy about them.
Like, for instance, a lot of fans now like MR, Wheras, from what I've seen, Si mostly regarded as one of the worst in the series by other people.
I thought this was strange because normally this would be the other way around. Fans of a series would generally hate anything that jumps the shark or differs so far from the source, yet Moonraker does get a lot of love. I know there are fans who don't like it because it is too cartoony and silly, but again, a lot of people do like it.
And then there's GF. Widely considered to be the best Bond film according to various rankings by sites and videos done by channels that are made by/for the casual Bond viewer. But I haven't seen many, if any, fans (on here) that has GF as their favourite film.
My point is, that I find it rather strange how fans opinions differ from that of a casual viewer. Maybe it's because a casual viewer would judge the film's more severely, but I just think that some different opinions are strange, like the ones I mentioned above. In most other franchises, anything that differs greatly from the source, or is considered too silly, is generally the worst of the franchise. But what I've noticed is that a lot of the time that's not true with the Blnd films. MR is silly and differs greatly from the source, yet it still has a lot of fans, most of which are fans of the Bond series rather than the casual viewer. I'm not saying it's wrong to have MR as your least favourite or GF as your favourite, I'm just saying this based on what I've seen.
So, to sum up, my point is that the Bond films have a unique difference in opinions between a fans opinion and a casual viewers opinion. I feel like the only people who like MR are Bond fans, Wheras you'd expect it to be a hated entry, if this was any other series.
Like, for instance, a lot of fans now like MR, Wheras, from what I've seen, Si mostly regarded as one of the worst in the series by other people.
I thought this was strange because normally this would be the other way around. Fans of a series would generally hate anything that jumps the shark or differs so far from the source, yet Moonraker does get a lot of love. I know there are fans who don't like it because it is too cartoony and silly, but again, a lot of people do like it.
And then there's GF. Widely considered to be the best Bond film according to various rankings by sites and videos done by channels that are made by/for the casual Bond viewer. But I haven't seen many, if any, fans (on here) that has GF as their favourite film.
My point is, that I find it rather strange how fans opinions differ from that of a casual viewer. Maybe it's because a casual viewer would judge the film's more severely, but I just think that some different opinions are strange, like the ones I mentioned above. In most other franchises, anything that differs greatly from the source, or is considered too silly, is generally the worst of the franchise. But what I've noticed is that a lot of the time that's not true with the Blnd films. MR is silly and differs greatly from the source, yet it still has a lot of fans, most of which are fans of the Bond series rather than the casual viewer. I'm not saying it's wrong to have MR as your least favourite or GF as your favourite, I'm just saying this based on what I've seen.
So, to sum up, my point is that the Bond films have a unique difference in opinions between a fans opinion and a casual viewers opinion. I feel like the only people who like MR are Bond fans, Wheras you'd expect it to be a hated entry, if this was any other series.
1.LTK 2.AVTAK 3.OP 4.FYEO 5.TND 6.LALD 7.GE 8.GF 9.TSWLM 10.SPECTRE 11.SF 12.MR 13.YOLT 14.TLD 15.CR (06) 16.TMWTGG 17.TB 18.FRWL 19.TWINE 20.OHMSS 21.DAF 22.DAD 23.QoS 24.NSNA 25.DN 26.CR (67)
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#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
Bond films, and strangely they all ( Four of them) picked AVTAK as their
Favourite Bond film. Yet in Fan lists, It usually rates quite low.
SP seems to have been less popular with non-fans, but I'd say I prefer it to those 2.
It seems non-fans and Fleming-purists seem to be on a similar standing, and the rest of Bond fans on another.
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
Goldfinger, The Spy Who Loved Me, Goldeneye and Skyfall.
Those four are clearly very popular with the general audience. It's not even an age thing. My work colleagues are between 25 and 55.
A young friend of mine who had only seen all the Bond movies from GoldenEye on was finally watching everything from Dr. No to Licence To Kill this year.
His favourite was Dalton, by far. TLD and LTK. Furthermore he found OHMSS to be the best movie of all of them. He was quite a bit surprised that Lazenby and Dalton didn't make more Bond movies.
FRWL and FYEO belong to his favourites as well now. Surprising I say, FRWL, OHMSS, FYEO, TLD, LTK. Of course I was positively surprised as Dalton is my favourite too and it was interesting to hear my friends perspective on those movies.
I wrote earlier that Moonraker grew on me after watching it a second, then third time. The only reason that could explain why is that the plot was enjoyable to me, for some reason. And that's what makes this silliness forgivable. On the other hand, I was thoroughly bored watching Octopussy and it felt like Roger Moore was wearing a clown costume for two freaking hours.
By the way, I'm not as well versed in these films as most of you guys probably are. When I first became a fan I binge-watched the whole series in a month or two. I now only try to watch one Bond movie per year, so they remain 'fresh'. I've ruined GoldenEye because I've watched it about 15 times. It's probably my favorite. Most movies I've seen 2 or 3 times, except for Octopussy, which I've only seen once and am not ready to watch it again, yet.
If I had patience, I'd start with Dr. No and re-watch one film a year in order, but that would take 24 more years, plus new ones!!! So I end up only re-watching my favorites. I usually watch one around Christmas, so this year I'm going to revisit a Roger Moore film, but not sure which one, yet. Any suggestions?
I'm seriously considering giving Octopussy another try this year. A View to a Kill is another film that needs another chance to win me over.
TSWLM and LALD are good options too
Btw, Bond films usually remain fresh even if you watch them each 5 times a year
I'm going to be revisiting the Moore films in the next few years. I'm saving certain movies until I build myself a home theater. Then the plan will be to recreate the movie theater experience starting with License to Kill to the present, watching one per year.
Those who watched one each summer/winter every two years from 1962 to 1989
and those who picked it up in 1995.
My favourite is this bloke
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Pnb_Bq0h1M
Good point, but don't forget about our man Blackleiter -{
As for MR, I figured the "general public" liked that film because it did so well at the box office.
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
On the flip side as a teenager the only Bonds for me were Connery and Moore. Lazenby just wasn't Bond to me and I dismissed the film after watching it once. Now after having watched OHMSS many times I regard it as the greatest and always seem to see something new whenever I watch it. If I was a casual film fan and only watched OHMSS once I would say it was rubbish.
Also for lifelong Bond fans nostalgia plays a massive part in what we like. Every fan has certain special films. Films such as YOLT, LALD, MR and OP will always have a special place in my heart. That connection is something non Bond fans don't have so may not understand our love for particular films.
Having said all that even we Bond fans who have watched the films countless times will never completely agree. OHMSS lies near the bottom of quite a few rankings so it is all a matter of taste and opinion. -{
+1
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
I've prolly seen the Police Academys 30-40 times since I was a kid , same with Bruce Lee's.
When I sat down this yr to watch PA5 & 6 I hadn't seen them in a few yrs but I still remember them well. It's fun noticing things you haven't previously noted , for example Axel dips a Twinkie in mustard in The Deer Hunter
I've a friend who has prolly seen SW IV-VI like 100 times
Seeing different Bonds 2-3 times a yr isnt overdoing it if you ask me......but it's like candy , it can be too much of a good thing
"MR is well liked by casual fans"
It's like the Bruce Lee's : although acting wise FoF is prolly his best and Enter his most famous.....but I prefer Boss or Way over it in general , I do not need to follow trends.
+ 3, except for the part about Skyfall's ranking dropping after multiple viewings.
It's strange how much OHMSS has grown on me after repeated viewings. I think the blu ray transfers have helped OHMSS and even some of Moore's films I never appreciated before grow on me. It's easier to catch things you've never noticed before when you're not watching a crap image on VHS or DVD. For some of the films it's like watching a new movie to me.
"Better make that two."
It rates high in mine, I don't understand why anybody would hate it. The plot is terrific and I am in LOVE with Zorin and his thrilling backstory. It's my second favourite.
Most favourite is Skyfall because of its stunning picture art and image composition. It's a real visual pleasure to watch.
Worst are still Die Another Day, Moonraker and License To Kill. Moonraker being the worst of them all.
Those 2 are my most watched Connery films and I'm sure some credit is due to their beautiful transfers.