[But did you have a terrible personal experience with Brosnan or something?
No I can tell bad actors from good actors and I got the feeling that we were going backwards with Brosnan
OK, you believe in him. I don't. If this internet forum is open then we can describe what we think of Brosnan. If you think he is the worlds greatest actor - then say so. Come up with enough evidence to shut me down.
I am not going to resort to insults like you...
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[But did you have a terrible personal experience with Brosnan or something?
No I can tell bad actors from good actors and I got the feeling that we were going backwards with Brosnan
OK, you believe in him. I don't. If this internet forum is open then we can describe what we think of Brosnan. If you think he is the worlds greatest actor - then say so. Come up with enough evidence to shut me down.
I am not going to resort to insults like you...
I don't think Brosnan is the world's greatest actor.
I also don't believe I insulted you. I just feel you are extremely unreasonable when it comes to Brosnan, not because of your opinion about Brosnan but in how you deal with others here when his name comes up. A response of "prove it" is not a reasonable way to have a conversation. It's extremely confrontational. I think you can discuss Brosnan more civilly.
Leaving aside the bickering (and please do just that), it seems to me that the problem in this thread is a confusion over the use of the word "Flemingesque"-
Some people have been arguing over whether Brosnan's films are more Flemingesque than Craig's, while others have been arguing over whether Brosnan himself is more Flemingesque as Bond than Craig is.
Each is a valid subject for argument but they have become intertwined above causing lack of clarity, and really are two distinct things.
Some people have been arguing over whether Brosnan's films are more Flemingesque than Craig's, while others have been arguing over whether Brosnan himself is more Flemingesque as Bond than Craig is.
I see. I would say that Craig's portrayal of Bond is more Flemingesque, and Craig's films win for more Flemingesque simply because of Casino Royale. I don't find Skyfall to be at all Flemingesque, and I feel the same about Brosnan's first two films. Of the two films in this topic, Spectre is clearly more Flemingesque. But as I said above, "Physically Brosnan is a little closer [to Fleming's Bond] than Craig", and I think I provided the necessary proof. And by physically I mean the definition: "of or relating to the body".
My fav Bonds are SC and RM. Unfortunately, they can't play Bond anymore so we are lucky to have actors such as TD, PB and DC step in to continue the series and keep the interest alive .... GL did one film but he gave a nice performance too
I would say that Craig's portrayal of Bond is more Flemingesque, and Craig's films win for more Flemingesque simply because of Casino Royale. I don't find Skyfall to be at all Flemingesque, and I feel the same about Brosnan's first two films. Of the two films in this topic, Spectre is clearly more Flemingesque. But as I said above, "Physically Brosnan is a little closer [to Fleming's Bond] than Craig", and I think I provided the necessary proof. And by physically I mean the definition: "of or relating to the body".
I don't think Brosnan is the world's greatest actor.
He may be my fave Bond, but he's not my fave actor.
That honor goes to another Irishman, Liam Neeson.
Btw, does anyone here think that Neeson would make a great Bond Villain?
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In my opinion Craig has all the elements of Fleming's Bond, a troubled
man with many inner demons, who wins despite being flawed. -{
Not quite. Craig is missing the looks, and he doesn't always win either. Fleming's Bond didn't fail his mission in Casino Royale but Craig's does. And Fleming's Bond doesn't let M get killed (despite trying to kill M himself in TMWTGG). But he does have the inner demons that the other film Bonds lacked.
Btw, does anyone here think that Neeson would make a great Bond villain?
He makes a good villain, but I don't know what special qualities he could bring to Bond. I'd picture him as being a similar villain to Trevelyan, personality-wise.
I don't believe I mentioned looks in my post, as it's fairly obvious to
Any Bond fan that Craig doesn't look how Fleming described him. I
Thought on a fan forum, I wouldn't have to be so obvious that others
would know that.
But some take delight in scoring points against others. 8-) or basically
Some members have to Always be right. ..... Must be very important to
Them ?
Still I'm not getting involved in an argument and will move on.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
I don't believe I mentioned looks in my post, as it's fairly obvious to
Any Bond fan that Craig doesn't look how Fleming described him. I
Thought on a fan forum, I wouldn't have to be so obvious that others
would know that.
But some take delight in scoring points against others. 8-) or basically
Some members have to Always be right. ..... Must be very important to
Them ?
Still I'm not getting involved in an argument and will move on.
I wasn't trying to be argumentative, but you did say "In my opinion Craig has all the elements of Fleming's Bond". For some people, looks are a very big thing. Craig lacks the physical parts of Fleming's Bond in his looks and his dress. I'm very sorry I offended you.
You can just do this:
Since Dalton is the perfect Bond, is Brosnan or Craig closer to him?
Both about the same distance away, for different reasons.
So, both equally Flemingesque.
There, no more argument. {[] )
Sorry, but at what moment did Brosnan stray into Fleming. Please enlighten me?
Physically Brosnan is a little closer than Craig.
Prove it
Chest hair! Can you imagine Fleming's Bond as having a waxed chest??? That should be enough, but unlike Craig Brosnan is tall and he doesn't look like a thug on steroids.
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I am going to bite my tongue over this...
The films aren't anything to do with Fleming. It was like they threw Flemings works out of the window....
+1000 -{
glad you said that!
and BS, what's the sense of saying "prove that Brosnan looks the part more than Craig"?
There's nothing to prove really?!
Sure. Brosnan's films' stories and tone take very little from Fleming. But did you have a terrible personal experience with Brosnan or something?
Well, there you go
No I can tell bad actors from good actors and I got the feeling that we were going backwards with Brosnan
OK, you believe in him. I don't. If this internet forum is open then we can describe what we think of Brosnan. If you think he is the worlds greatest actor - then say so. Come up with enough evidence to shut me down.
I am not going to resort to insults like you...
as you said, it's an open forum to discuss and not to bad mouth rvery single thing about Brosnan.
Nope, I am perfectly reasonable
to breath and get past it ?
I don't think Brosnan is the world's greatest actor.
I also don't believe I insulted you. I just feel you are extremely unreasonable when it comes to Brosnan, not because of your opinion about Brosnan but in how you deal with others here when his name comes up. A response of "prove it" is not a reasonable way to have a conversation. It's extremely confrontational. I think you can discuss Brosnan more civilly.
exactly
Some people have been arguing over whether Brosnan's films are more Flemingesque than Craig's, while others have been arguing over whether Brosnan himself is more Flemingesque as Bond than Craig is.
Each is a valid subject for argument but they have become intertwined above causing lack of clarity, and really are two distinct things.
No more personal comments- use PMs if necessary.
I see. I would say that Craig's portrayal of Bond is more Flemingesque, and Craig's films win for more Flemingesque simply because of Casino Royale. I don't find Skyfall to be at all Flemingesque, and I feel the same about Brosnan's first two films. Of the two films in this topic, Spectre is clearly more Flemingesque. But as I said above, "Physically Brosnan is a little closer [to Fleming's Bond] than Craig", and I think I provided the necessary proof. And by physically I mean the definition: "of or relating to the body".
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And I would agree with that.
man with many inner demons, who wins despite being flawed. -{
He may be my fave Bond, but he's not my fave actor.
That honor goes to another Irishman, Liam Neeson.
Btw, does anyone here think that Neeson would make a great Bond Villain?
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
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Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Not quite. Craig is missing the looks, and he doesn't always win either. Fleming's Bond didn't fail his mission in Casino Royale but Craig's does. And Fleming's Bond doesn't let M get killed (despite trying to kill M himself in TMWTGG). But he does have the inner demons that the other film Bonds lacked.
He makes a good villain, but I don't know what special qualities he could bring to Bond. I'd picture him as being a similar villain to Trevelyan, personality-wise.
Any Bond fan that Craig doesn't look how Fleming described him. I
Thought on a fan forum, I wouldn't have to be so obvious that others
would know that.
But some take delight in scoring points against others. 8-) or basically
Some members have to Always be right. ..... Must be very important to
Them ?
Still I'm not getting involved in an argument and will move on.
I wasn't trying to be argumentative, but you did say "In my opinion Craig has all the elements of Fleming's Bond". For some people, looks are a very big thing. Craig lacks the physical parts of Fleming's Bond in his looks and his dress. I'm very sorry I offended you.
to spoken words. -{ I'm sorry for misunderstanding your intentions.
Looks and other physical attributes aside who do you think talks more like Flemings Bond.
I find the way Flemings Bond talks to women a bit (struggling to find the word here). Poss soppy? I think Lazenby fits the bill here
Since Dalton is the perfect Bond, is Brosnan or Craig closer to him?
Both about the same distance away, for different reasons.
So, both equally Flemingesque.
There, no more argument. {[]
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Chest hair! Can you imagine Fleming's Bond as having a waxed chest??? That should be enough, but unlike Craig Brosnan is tall and he doesn't look like a thug on steroids.
I think Neeson has carved himself a nice niche as a "goodie". I'd rather see Daniel Craig as a Bond villain!
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I think the producers agree with me - luckily in SP he doesn't take his kit off as much as he did in SF. That horrible bare chest!!!! X-(
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Who's James - Bond? Connery knew no bird would make nest in a bare tree!