Most Impactful Bond Films
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The "most" series continues. This thread is about Bond films that made the most impact may be on the franchise or on you. It is not necessarily about rating or ranking films. For e.g. a film that you rank low could have made a huge impact on the franchise and vice-versa.
Below is a list of films that I believe made an impact on either establishing or rejuvenating the franchise:
* DN - the pioneer .... BO gross $460M
* FRWL - solidified Bond as a franchise .... BO gross $600M
* GF - introduced the bond formula and took the franchise to another level in terms of BO numbers at $935M
* DAF - rejuvenated the franchise after the relatively weak performance of OHMSS at the BO grossing $665M .... Interestingly, OHMSS grossed $520M which is more than many of the Bond films but at that time it was probably considered as "less than expected"
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* LALD - established RM as Bond and the fact that he could take the franchise forward .... BO gross $845M
* TSWLM - OTT stunts, sequences and gadgets are introduced .... BO gross $710M
* GE - after various issues, the Bond franchise makes a comeback in style after 6 years .... BO gross $545M
* CR - a back to basics films that is well received by non-franchise fans as well .... BO gross $685M
* SF - reintroduced the franchise to SC and early RM films type of numbers at BO .... BO gross $1120M
(PS added BO gross adjusted @2012 $s and rounded to nearest 5k)
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Below is a list of films that I believe made an impact on either establishing or rejuvenating the franchise:
* DN - the pioneer .... BO gross $460M
* FRWL - solidified Bond as a franchise .... BO gross $600M
* GF - introduced the bond formula and took the franchise to another level in terms of BO numbers at $935M
* DAF - rejuvenated the franchise after the relatively weak performance of OHMSS at the BO grossing $665M .... Interestingly, OHMSS grossed $520M which is more than many of the Bond films but at that time it was probably considered as "less than expected"
)* LALD - established RM as Bond and the fact that he could take the franchise forward .... BO gross $845M
* TSWLM - OTT stunts, sequences and gadgets are introduced .... BO gross $710M
* GE - after various issues, the Bond franchise makes a comeback in style after 6 years .... BO gross $545M
* CR - a back to basics films that is well received by non-franchise fans as well .... BO gross $685M
* SF - reintroduced the franchise to SC and early RM films type of numbers at BO .... BO gross $1120M
(PS added BO gross adjusted @2012 $s and rounded to nearest 5k)
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Comments
DN - There's such a good feeling to this movie in the sense of what's to come, and while it isn't like FRWL or GF; the feeling of a Bond style is clearly evident (thanks to Ken Adam).
GF - Clearly just the Bond film that gets the whole Bondmania going. While it has gone down in my rankings over time, GF still feels like a big, big deal.
TSWLM - A perfect feeling, sexy and well made Bond film for the 70s. To me it's YOLT done properly.
GE - To me GE is the start of the modern-era of Bond, it has such a good feeling to it even with its flaws.
"Better make that two."
* SF - $1120M
* TB - $1040M
* GF - $935M
* LALD - $845M
* YOLT - $775M
* TSWML - $710M
SP has joined the list too. However, the $s of the rest would have to be adjusted to 2015 $s too
"Better make that two."
It was well received .... and I find it to be a great Bond film (in my top 7)
The older films had relatively limited access to the market such as non-English speaking ones such as China. The population and number of cinemas were less as well, so their numbers are even more crazy compared to SF and SP's which benefit from wider market reach esp. in markets such as China where population and cinemas numbers continue to grow
•GE: first Bond-movie ever seen in 2001
•DAD: first Bond-film, where I was aware of its making
•CR: first Bond-movie I saw in the cinema
I can remember the opening shot of Andrea and Scaramanaga on the beach and John Barry's score having a big impact on me.
"Better make that two."
- DN - First one
- FRWL - Made Bond famous
- GF - Started the formula
- OHMSS - Bond gets married, first change of actor
- LALD - Chamge of actor
- TSWLM - Rebooted the franchise, made it popular again
- TLD - Change of actor
- LTK - Nearly the last film
- GE - Bought back the franchise; change of actor
- DAD - Essentially ended the original series
- CR - Rebooted Bond
- SF - 50th anniversary film; made Bond even more popular
How did TSWLM reboot the series? It ramped-up the Bond series in the same way GF did from the films made before it.
* TLD - $390M
* AVTAK - $330M
* LTK - $290M
Leaving aside films that grossed more than $700M (6 films excluding SP) and less than $400M (3 films) - the outliers, the avg. gross of the remaining 14 films is: $550M
PS In terms of BO Gross:
Avg plus 15%+: DAF, MR and CR
Avg plus 10% to 15%: FRWL and QoS
Closer to average: OHMSS, GE and DAD
Avg less 10% to 15%: TWINE, FYEO, TND, DN and TMWTGG
Avg less 15%+: OP
"Better make that two."
Maybe reboot isn't the right word........I mean, it got Bond back on track after TMWTGG and how it saved the series.
To me, TSWLM is a return to the scale and feeling of GF/TB/YOLT - which is just a return to that successful formula which made boatloads of cash.
It proved so successful that it was repeated (basically exactly the same) in MR. What's interesting is that the less-formulaic Bond films are less successful in the States but more successful internationally - and vice versa.
TSWLM and MR had a pretty heavy marketing campaign in the States - and both films were very successful there.
"Better make that two."
TMWTGG has a very high ROI
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
And then I remembered the old films whose repeat value is awesome. For e.g. in the 80s Glen optimized parts that work best overtime and mix those with a great background score so even the normal scenes stand out. For e.g. in OP the score for after the auction scenes makes those normal sequences so engaging:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgHR7Ay9674
In that film, the score during the PTS is memorable too esp. when RM is planting the bomb. Unlike the latest films, I can watch these movies to just listen to the score!
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"Better make that two."
I know my maths, but ROI is completely meaningless to me, whatever it stands for...
Personal impact. It's what made me a fan of the series. The perfect Bond film. Even after 20 years, even in the age of smart technology, it does not feel dated.
Watched it yesterday, for the first time on Blu-ray. Amazing! Some people here stated that it hasn't been digitally "cleaned" for Blu-ray as much as the other ones, but I didn't notice that. This movie is like good wine... the older, the better! I remember I didn't really like it as much when I first saw it at the cinema.
* SC - TB (4th)
* GL - OHMSS (1st)
* RM - LALD (1st)
* TD - TLD (1st)
* PB - DAD (4th)
* DC - SF (3rd)
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
The modern films tend to rank low on this list due to the fact they need bigger budgets to compete with popular films today. Spectre, considering it's crazy-high budget, is probably going to be near the bottom.
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
Just Daniel Craig's salary for Spectre alone was supposedly more than twice that.
Most impactful films
All of Connery's films - They were the very first, set all of the precedents and resonated with lots of people.
Live and Let Die - Was Moore's debut, which was well received. Taking over after Connery and doing it well is a big accomplishment in itself.
The Spy Who Loved Me - Established Moore in the role, gave fans a film with all of the "bumps" and remains his most acclaimed film.
The Living Daylights - Revved up sales, energized the action and set the tone for the darker modern films.
Goldeneye - Was seen as Bond's big modern comeback, with the actor that people wanted to play Bond for a long time, and after a six year hiatus and the end of the Cold War.
Casino Royale - After the silliness in the series got to be too much, Casino Royale emphasized a more serious tone with strong storytelling.
Skyfall - Became Britain's best-selling movie full of big budget action, strong advertising strong acting all-around and an emotional story about Bond's past.
Least impactful films:
The Man with the Golden Gun - It received mixed reviews at the time, was seen as inferior to Moore's debuting film before it and didn't sell a whole lot.
Octopussy & A View to a Kill - Even though I like them, they came way too late in Moore's tenure to have an impact. Moore was getting really old and people wanted a change in direction.
License to Kill - Due to a weak advertising campaign, stiff competition at the box office and this underrated film was seen as too dark for Bond standards, it was one of the lowest selling films in the series.
The World Is Not Enough - Due to the corny dialogue, inconsistent tone and convoluted story, it didn't stick with audiences long after it came out.
Die Another Day - It had an impact. Just not a good one. Lol.
Quantum of Solace - Got mixed reviews and is often not mentioned when talking about Craig's films. Most people I know tell me two things. "I saw it" & "I totally forgot what it was about"
TSWLM, TLD, GE, CR, SF & SP (yes, it's up there, like it or not) were notable seconds.
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
SP BO details:
When adjusted for inflation, it will probably come in at #5. Might challenge LALD, whose gross will increase relative to the 2015 level, for the 4th spot
Spectre still sold spectre-acularly well.