Possible Reception of Dalton's Third Film

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  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    I can agree with am747's post, as LTK is one of my favourite Bond films.
    The higher certification was a killer for it along with the poor marketing.
    It may have been in Europe but not in the U.S. Teens, of which I was one, regularly went to see "R" rated films in the U.S. rather than the "PG" ones, which were considered lame at the time. The "PG-13" rating was also lame, but certainly better in the eyes of many than a "PG."

    In terms of marketing, this may have been true of general audiences. But Bond fans certainly were ready for the film, and it had publicity. What I recall is that audiences mostly thought it was too much a Miami Vice episode, which they were tired of from TV.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I can't imagine any uk teen going to see an inappropriate film :D
    that would be more an American thing. ;)

    Those of us who like it will always defend it, possibly illogically. :p
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    edited January 2016
    In the 80s, a teen in US who is also a big Bond fan is a relatively small sample size .... Vs. families who would go to movies targeted at them. Also since a bunch of such family focused releases, there could be constraints on time, budget, etc. as well .... Therefore, marketing initiatives targeted towards general audiences play a key role, along with certification
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    I can't imagine any uk teen going to see an inappropriate film :D
    that would be more an American thing. ;)

    Those of us who like it will always defend it, possibly illogically. :p
    Back in my teens we used to make fake but real-looking ID's to get into R rated films. Art class came in very handy.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    I was one of the people who went and saw Licence to Kill, Indiana Jones, Batman and much to my chagrin Lethal Weapon II (I was going out with someone who loved the cinema). I was twenty at the time

    But Licence to Kill was the better effort out of all of them.

    Don't give a **** whether it was filmed in Mexico, looked like cutprice Miami Vice....but it has the most powerful protagonist....in Tim Dalton

    **** the American hordes. He still my man. My Bond.
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    When Dalton left we lost something. Someone actually took the role seriously

    They brought Bond back in 1995....but we went backwards. We went into reverse
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent

    Don't give a **** whether it was filmed in Mexico, looked like cutprice Miami Vice....but it has the most powerful protagonist....in Tim Dalton

    **** the American hordes. He still my man. My Bond.
    Here we agree precisely & fully!
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    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    When Dalton left we lost something. Someone actually took the role seriously

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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    When Dalton left we lost something. Someone actually took the role seriously
    Craig takes it seriously and I really really appreciate that, but Dalton immersed himself in Bond as few if any could.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Julius No M.D.Julius No M.D. Posts: 110MI6 Agent
    Dalton's movies had unique plots to them, but Goldeneye reverted the series back to the "Goldfinger, except with a modern superweapon" formula.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Dalton's movies had unique plots to them, but Goldeneye reverted the series back to the "Goldfinger, except with a modern superweapon" formula.
    Yes, safety first.
    The Daltonator was dangerous.... :v
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Julius No M.D.Julius No M.D. Posts: 110MI6 Agent
    I have nothing against Brosnan. He's a great Bond, but the casting of Brosnan was basically a message saying that we want to tread as safely as possible with these films.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Dalton ( in my opinion) gave Bond a hard edge, which had been missing
    for years.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Julius No M.D.Julius No M.D. Posts: 110MI6 Agent
    He gave Bond his balls back, and a little bit of a sentimental side too.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I think we're all sentimental about our " Bezants" :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Dalton's movies had unique plots to them, but Goldeneye reverted the series back to the "Goldfinger, except with a modern superweapon" formula.

    And what a mess they became.

    Still stunned at the brilliance of licence to kill and within a few films it degenerated into **** like die another day
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
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    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    I think we're all sentimental about our " Bezants" :D
    TP, you're making me all misty-eyed.... 8-)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    When Dalton left we lost something. Someone actually took the role seriously
    Craig takes it seriously and I really really appreciate that, but Dalton immersed himself in Bond as few if any could.


    Oh believe you me Craig immerses himself in a role

    There's three superb actors as bond

    Dalton, Craig and connery
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    There's three superb actors as bond

    Dalton, Craig and Connery
    I agree, and in that order also. All so close though.... -{
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I too agree with those three. -{
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    For me

    1st - SC and RM (The Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Astons and Rolls)
    2nd - TD, PB, DC and GL (The Porsches, Maseratis and Bentleys)

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  • Julius No M.D.Julius No M.D. Posts: 110MI6 Agent
    I count 5 superb actors.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I count Six , although some are closer to the literary version than others. ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    I count Six , although some are closer to the literary version than others. ;)

    Lazenby is not a superb actor. He hardly even qualifies as an actor. But I think he was still a superb Bond.
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  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    I count Six , although some are closer to the literary version than others. ;)

    True .... After reading the first 5 IF books + Trigger Mortis, I feel that it is good that the cinematic version of Bond differentiates himself from the literary version to some extent .... I guess with IF's approval, SC was able to strike the perfect balance

    Below are a few excerpts from Fleming's letters that he wrote while editing FRWL:

    "the point about Bond is that he makes a fool of himself and falls headlong into the trap. This is a change from making him the cardboard hero and I cannot help thinking it is a healthy change. There is so much danger of these books being all alike and my main satisfaction (such as it is) with the book is that a Formula which was getting stale has been broken."

    ^ RM provided that change in the 70s which worked well for the franchise .... His first two films are different


    "There is also the point that one simply can't go on writing the simple bang-bang, kiss-kiss, type of books. However, hard one works at it, you automatically become staler and staler and very quickly the staleness shows through to the reader and all is indeed lost."

    ^ then TD brought in a lot of intensity


    Other Bond actors have been a mix and match of the above 3 but still good in their own way :)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    I count Six , although some are closer to the literary version than others. ;)

    Lazenby is not a superb actor. He hardly even qualifies as an actor. But I think he was still a superb Bond.
    Quite. {[]
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    I count Six , although some are closer to the literary version than others. ;)

    Lazenby is not a superb actor. He hardly even qualifies as an actor. But I think he was still a superb Bond.
    Quite. {[]

    If we are judging by how the actors performed as Bond, GL did a great job in OHMSS -{
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    am747 wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Matt S wrote:

    Lazenby is not a superb actor. He hardly even qualifies as an actor. But I think he was still a superb Bond.
    Quite. {[]

    If we are judging by how the actors performed as Bond, GL did a great job in OHMSS -{

    I think if lazenby had had the training and worked his way up from drama school he could be a contenders
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
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