Don't for one second think I'm trying to defend him. I'm just attempting to point out how I feel his legal team & the CPS may look upon the matter.
That's what I'm trying to do. Playing Devils Advocate.
Having had many dealings with the CPS, they have to see it from all sides and what a possible defence will be. Nineteen million pounds of public money has been spent already in defending SYP during the inquest. They have to decide if it's in the public interest to continue, especially if there is a chance it would be taken to further i.e. European Courts ....
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,749Chief of Staff
Whatever we may think of him & his actions we have to remember that he has a right to a fair trial under our system of law & he will play upon that point mercilessly.
I too fear another disappointment for the families, as there is a certain class of people in Britain
who never seem to be held responsible for their actions. So I expect that to protect others involved
a few less senior officers will get some minor sentences, a slap on the wrist basically.
I think it's wrong, and I think it's sad and I would obviously love to see those responsible brought to
Justice, but maybe I've become too cynical over the years, that I just can't see it happening.
I would dearly love to be proved wrong in a year or so.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
The best way for this to play out is for duckenfield and his cronies who have been party to this terrible disasters cover up and flagrant law breaking to be charged and offer no contest to the charges and plead guilty and no contest in the trial, therefore negating the need for a jury. But of course that would need some morals, backbone and a genuine desire to take your punishment. Qualities lacking in the main players of this drama.
The best way for this to play out is for duckenfield and his cronies who have been party to this terrible disasters cover up and flagrant law breaking to be charged and offer no contest to the charges and plead guilty and no contest in the trial, therefore negating the need for a jury. But of course that would need some morals, backbone and a genuine desire to take your punishment. Qualities lacking in the main players of this drama.
It would but decency is not a value obviously held by these legal degenerates who have held high offices.
I worry just how indecent and morally bankrupt lot of people in top police positions are. It seems the woman asked to step in as head of south Yorkshire Police has already stepped down as she is being investigated by greater Manchester Police!
Maybe the time is right to root out all the corruption?
I think it's an incredibly numb thing to do to brand every police officer in a force rotten due to corrupt command, the honourable Bobby on the ground who tried to do their best has been forgotten in the clamour. There was some fault with some aspects of some of the fans behaviour as there was with the shoddy policing, but the blame for the outcome lies squarely at the doors of the senior police officers. And to attempt a cover up, pervert the course of justice and abuse of your office should deserve the fullest penalty of law.
The guys at the top give the orders and have the power to conceal and
Cover up evidence, not the ordinary police officer. Many who have already
Come forward to say that even their statements were changed.
As pointed out already, the facts of statements being changed was accepted
Years ago, yet still no action has been taken.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,749Chief of Staff
I saw this article written by a police officer who was present at the time of the Hillsborough disaster. Because of it's eyewitness nature I feel it is worth including here:
I have considered carefully what I want to say here about Hillsborough. The media coverage over the past few days, comments in the House of Commons and the suspension of the South Yorkshire Chief Constable all persuade me to post my thoughts.
I was a Constable, Sergeant and Inspector in South Yorkshire Police and served 17yrs before leaving to run a family business. I was there on the pitch at Hillsborough when the tragedy occurred working as a PC in a public order serial which had been called into the ground when the shout went up for assistance.
I witnessed the lack of command. The almost complete radio silence from the control room at the ground and the ridiculous decision to line up our serial in front of the Notts fans to prevent a pitch invasion whilst people at the Leppings Lane end were in obvious trouble.
I broke ranks at that moment with several other officers and began helping the injured from the pitch because it was obvious that senior commanders were not reacting to the situation as they should have been.
There is no doubt in my mind that poor policing decisions led to the deaths that day and it comes as no surprise that those in charge tried to deflect the blame. The culture in the force at that time was demonstrated in person by the majority of the Chief Superintendents and senior Command team. I have never come across a more arrogant, pompous and unlikeable group of individuals. They had absolute power over their Divisions and were completely unaccountable. What they said went and they were completely but mistakenly self assured in their ability.
That it took so long to discover the depth of the cover up from the then Chief Constable Peter Wright to the Chief Superintendents and those under their direct command is no surprise to me as no one would have dared to speak out.
What does offend me however is the headline in todays edition of “i” which screams ROTTEN TO THE CORE. Well that's not true either. The huge majority of officers on duty that day did just that – their duty. They helped where they could, used initiative when the chain of command failed and should be commended for their work.
The current Chief Constable David Compton has been suspended by the Police and Crime Commissioner Dr Alan Billings. Yes he takes responsibility for the force but he wasn't there 27 years ago. It looks as though he was suspended because he tried to defend his force during the inquest proceedings. I think our Dr Billings is coming up for re election and needs to be able to say to the electorate “look how tough I am”. This has nothing to do with proportionality.
And the fans – yes like all football crowds some of their number were intoxicated. I know because I saw it and we were confiscating beer from vehicles all morning. A huge haul of trays of lager and beer cans which had been brought to drink before the match. This was nothing unusual. This was the culture at the time and the reason fans were penned in like sheep at all grounds. Their behaviour in the previous decade had necessitated separation because of continued violence. So to say the fans had no responsibility is also wrong. Perhaps on the day the fans did not contribute directly to the 96 deaths but as a group their general behaviour over previous years had led to the point of wire cages on terraces.
Yes, let the people responsible face the music. Yes let Chief Superintendent Duckenfield and his immediate team be called to account but please don't call South Yorkshire Police rotten to the core. It wasn't then and I don't believe it is now.
I wonder when this 'account' was given ? Immediately after the event or 27 years later ? If it's 'sometime' after the event then I wonder why they kept the South Yorkshire Police's dirty secret all these years ? Rotten to the core ? It certainly looks that way.
I was impressed this week with the case of the murderer caught 30 odd
Years after his crime, because his daughter was invoked in some minor
Act that meant taking a DNA sample. When tested against old crimes, her
DNA was flagged as not the killer, but so close that he must be a very close
Relative! -{
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Silhouette ManThe last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
I was impressed this week with the case of the murderer caught 30 odd
Years after his crime, because his daughter was invoked in some minor
Act that meant taking a DNA sample. When tested against old crimes, her
DNA was flagged as not the killer, but so close that he must be a very close
Relative! -{
Yes, you can't escape the writ of justice, not even after 31 years. The judge said it was possible that he would die in jail for the brutal murder he committed.
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
Another waste of valuable Police resources ,a drunk is a drunk what ever the country ,but we have a good idea in London ,lets keep the tube running all night ,so people can drink even more and waste Police and NHS/ambulance staffs time .The MET/BTP have already identified potential hot spots on the tube network where innocent people may encounter violence from drunks .
I have to agree with AS . It is a very funny video ) but I couldn't help think
how much police time was wasted in dealing with him !
I've recently been of the opinion that drunk people who waste police time or turn up at hospital with a drink related injury should be billed. Some a&e 's purely deal with drunks on a weekend or night.....we all shouldn't have to pay for someone's lifestyle choices
I have to agree with AS . It is a very funny video ) but I couldn't help think
how much police time was wasted in dealing with him !
As my buddy STAG will no doubt back me up ,a single drunk will normally take 2 experienced officers off the street ,then tie up the custody skipper ,then all the paper work ,and then a cell will be tied up . Now on a busy night we have had to take prisoners to other stations normally bloody miles away (if you are a county force )which again is time ,petrol ect plus you are now a patrol short on area, I hate drunks ,and so do most A&E staff too,
I have to agree with AS . It is a very funny video ) but I couldn't help think
how much police time was wasted in dealing with him !
As my buddy STAG will no doubt back me up ,a single drunk will normally take 2 experienced officers off the street ,then tie up the custody skipper ,then all the paper work ,and then a cell will be tied up . Now on a busy night we have had to take prisoners to other stations normally bloody miles away (if you are a county force )which again is time ,petrol ect plus you are now a patrol short on area, I hate drunks ,and so do most A&E staff too,
Yes, dealing with drunks is a sinkhole when it comes to resources. I agree with CC & have long held the opinion that drunks should foot the bill for wasting NHS time.
I must say when I joined the police (1975) the methods of dealing with aggressive drunks were a tad more 'robust' than they are today
Drunks come in all flavours - there are one's who just want to fight & will lash out at anyone without provocation, verbally abusive (like the one in the clip), happy drunks & those who just want to go to sleep. Overall it is my experience that the nature of the night out has changed for the worse over the years. There was always violence but the fashion for kicking people while they were down wasn't really seen until the mid eighties & then it was rare. As for the behaviour of females in drink - well that was almost unheard then. Latterly in my force Tuesdays were known as the new Saturday night because of the spike in alcohol related incidents. No doubt matters have deteriorated further since I retired in 2010.
I was lucky insofar as I missed the beginnings of all the cuts instigated by the condems which have effectively hamstrung the police in many areas.
Younger serving officers will be perhaps surprised to learn that when I joined there was no budgetary restraints. For example at force HQ there was a small workshop - staffed by a Sergeant & a PC - whose job it was to make & sign write all the signs used by the police! Imagine that nowadays!
Contrast that with what has happened over the past six years (I still visit that hub of gossip AKA the police bar & still have friends who are serving) Recently my own force reduced & amalgamated three departments & placed them under the command of a Chief Inspector. The dog section has been halved - with police dogs removed to other forces & handlers returned to normal duties. Before that civilian staff had to reapply for their own jobs & were cut in size. I could go on but needless to say the general public in my force area are blissfully unaware of the reductions in capabilities.
" A bit more robust" ) that's a great way to say thrown into a black Maria taken to the station and rubber hosed! Ahh the good old days. Seriously though nights out have changed for the worse, as oposed to getting ridiculously drunk being exceptional it's now expected. And as the years go on people get more socially unacceptable and the police have more and more teeth pulled out!
Back in the 70s my uncle was kicked out of the force for roughing up a particularly nasty career criminal who prayed on old ladies and habitually beat women, he goaded my uncle who was on duty in the cid in a Leeds nightclub ( acceptable at the time) and threw a pint glass at him, my uncle being the sort ofchap he was set about some rough justice. Needless to say the judge declared that sort of police behaviour was old fashioned and my should be made an example of. The story was in the Yorkshire evening post.
That's a lovely piece of police history Stag , We used to use an old Police house out in Kent ,it was used by the rural patrol boys ,the lads from the special constabulary ,and later the parish constables ,it had its own cars and a battered out old 110 land rover .It wasnt open to the public ,but very handy for a cuppa, a fag, and a p*ss ,
I've taken a notion to learn to ride a motorbike, now in the old days I could basically just get
On one and go.
( I have a full UK driving licence since 1983, I'm 51 )
Now, I've been told because I got my licence before 2001, I can get a 125cc to learn on ?
Would anyone have any information on this, as to be blunt, the government stuff is very
Confusing.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
I've taken a notion to learn to ride a motorbike, now in the old days I could basically just get
On one and go.
( I have a full UK driving licence since 1983, I'm 51 )
Now, I've been told because I got my licence before 2001, I can get a 125cc to learn on ?
Would anyone have any information on this, as to be blunt, the government stuff is very
Confusing.
Shouldn't this be in the Tp's having a midlife crisis thread? If my memory serves me right, on your licence you can ride a 50cc without any need to display L plates and also carry a pillion, anyone who passed there test after 2001 needs to pass a cbt. Anyone on any full licence can ride upto a 125cc but must display L plates and can't carry a pillion and only for a limited time before taking the cbt. A few years ago I had one of those Chinese Harley Davidson type bikes with a 50cc engine, made a hell of boom and was quite nippy. Great fun.
)
I've had a couple of PMs , and think I can ride a 125cc on L plates and do the CBT
every two years, but apparently you'd have to kill yourself or someone else to fail
Might not bother at the end of the day, but I do like wearing leather )
I haven't mentioned this to Mrs TP, so it may be shot down in flames very quickly )
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Surely Mrs tp would appreciate the leather? On the other hand you could always just wear the leather, grow a pony tail and sport a goatie beard and pretend you have a bike
Or just do what every other man at a certain age does and buy a mazda mx5 and join the mx5 club. I look on in envy when they all meet at the McDonald's car park on a Sunday morning and go for a drive in convoy, the sea of chrome domes reflecting the sun is a sight to behold. And even better you can buy some of those leather gloves with the holes over the knuckles like Bond has in spectre.
) a little commuter bike would do me, stick the camera gear in a back pack and take to the hills.
like the Maverick, lone wolf, who listens to no one, take crap from no one. I am ........ if the wife
lets me of course.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Comments
That's what I'm trying to do. Playing Devils Advocate.
Having had many dealings with the CPS, they have to see it from all sides and what a possible defence will be. Nineteen million pounds of public money has been spent already in defending SYP during the inquest. They have to decide if it's in the public interest to continue, especially if there is a chance it would be taken to further i.e. European Courts ....
You do understand the irony of that line...?
who never seem to be held responsible for their actions. So I expect that to protect others involved
a few less senior officers will get some minor sentences, a slap on the wrist basically.
I think it's wrong, and I think it's sad and I would obviously love to see those responsible brought to
Justice, but maybe I've become too cynical over the years, that I just can't see it happening.
I would dearly love to be proved wrong in a year or so.
It would be the decent thing to do ....
I worry just how indecent and morally bankrupt lot of people in top police positions are. It seems the woman asked to step in as head of south Yorkshire Police has already stepped down as she is being investigated by greater Manchester Police!
Maybe the time is right to root out all the corruption?
Cover up evidence, not the ordinary police officer. Many who have already
Come forward to say that even their statements were changed.
As pointed out already, the facts of statements being changed was accepted
Years ago, yet still no action has been taken.
I wonder when this 'account' was given ? Immediately after the event or 27 years later ? If it's 'sometime' after the event then I wonder why they kept the South Yorkshire Police's dirty secret all these years ? Rotten to the core ? It certainly looks that way.
Years after his crime, because his daughter was invoked in some minor
Act that meant taking a DNA sample. When tested against old crimes, her
DNA was flagged as not the killer, but so close that he must be a very close
Relative! -{
Yes, you can't escape the writ of justice, not even after 31 years. The judge said it was possible that he would die in jail for the brutal murder he committed.
Norwegian police handle a drunk person:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byE5HAdWAuE
I'M NOT FROM F**KING LOFOTEN!!!
how much police time was wasted in dealing with him !
As my buddy STAG will no doubt back me up ,a single drunk will normally take 2 experienced officers off the street ,then tie up the custody skipper ,then all the paper work ,and then a cell will be tied up . Now on a busy night we have had to take prisoners to other stations normally bloody miles away (if you are a county force )which again is time ,petrol ect plus you are now a patrol short on area, I hate drunks ,and so do most A&E staff too,
Back in the 70s my uncle was kicked out of the force for roughing up a particularly nasty career criminal who prayed on old ladies and habitually beat women, he goaded my uncle who was on duty in the cid in a Leeds nightclub ( acceptable at the time) and threw a pint glass at him, my uncle being the sort ofchap he was set about some rough justice. Needless to say the judge declared that sort of police behaviour was old fashioned and my should be made an example of. The story was in the Yorkshire evening post.
get their side of the story.
I've taken a notion to learn to ride a motorbike, now in the old days I could basically just get
On one and go.
( I have a full UK driving licence since 1983, I'm 51 )
Now, I've been told because I got my licence before 2001, I can get a 125cc to learn on ?
Would anyone have any information on this, as to be blunt, the government stuff is very
Confusing.
I've had a couple of PMs , and think I can ride a 125cc on L plates and do the CBT
every two years, but apparently you'd have to kill yourself or someone else to fail
Might not bother at the end of the day, but I do like wearing leather
I haven't mentioned this to Mrs TP, so it may be shot down in flames very quickly
Or just do what every other man at a certain age does and buy a mazda mx5 and join the mx5 club. I look on in envy when they all meet at the McDonald's car park on a Sunday morning and go for a drive in convoy, the sea of chrome domes reflecting the sun is a sight to behold. And even better you can buy some of those leather gloves with the holes over the knuckles like Bond has in spectre.
like the Maverick, lone wolf, who listens to no one, take crap from no one. I am ........ if the wife
lets me of course.